Do these players have any shame?

[rowleyscfc]

 Don't they feel embarrassed? like week after week we are out fought, out worked and ultimately they're never at eachother necks. 

The days of Fuller giving Griffin a slap at West Ham because he allowed his man to walk off him for their goal, not saying the players need to slap each other every week, but who's driving standards and hold players accountable?

If you have no pride in playing for the club, at least have pride within your self, the lack off fight within this group of wankers is unbelievable


Burger, junho, Gooch and Tch are the only ones id be arsed about keeping because at worst they play with a decent level of effort  

[GreaterGlasgowstokie]

Feb 5, 2024 10:06:29 GMT rowleyscfc said:

 Don't they feel embarrassed? like week after week we are out fought, out worked and ultimately they're never at eachother necks. 

The days of Fuller giving Griffin a slap at West Ham because he allowed his man to walk off him for their goal, not saying the players need to slap each other every week, but who's driving standards and hold players accountable?

If you have no pride in playing for the club, at least have pride within your self, the lack off fight within this group of wankers is unbelievable


Burger, junho, Gooch and Tch are the only ones id be arsed about keeping because at worst they play with a decent level of effort  

I totally agree but that's not why fuller lost it with griffin.

It was because Griffin was injured. It was a crucial game, at half time griffin said he was ok to carry on, but he wasn't. And it was because he was not able to move normally that he lost his man. That's why fuller lost it, because Griffin wasn't acting professionally and let the side down by not being honest about the injury.

Again though, can you imagine any of this lot caring enough to do what Griffin did, let alone what fuller did?

[suck_the_mop.]

Remember when fuller did that and most on here said he was a disgrace and should never play for us again.. club legend now...

[suck_the_mop.]

Feb 5, 2024 10:06:29 GMT rowleyscfc said:

 Don't they feel embarrassed? like week after week we are out fought, out worked and ultimately they're never at eachother necks. 

The days of Fuller giving Griffin a slap at West Ham because he allowed his man to walk off him for their goal, not saying the players need to slap each other every week, but who's driving standards and hold players accountable?

If you have no pride in playing for the club, at least have pride within your self, the lack off fight within this group of wankers is unbelievable


Burger, junho, Gooch and Tch are the only ones id be arsed about keeping because at worst they play with a decent level of effort  

I would imagine they all do but some more than others, burger obviously cares and feels hurt in his interviews.

[bjarnig]

Some do care but it's a small number.

If I took over as manager and my target was top 12 in the Championship then I'd be retaining the following:

Junho
Berger
Tchadameu

The rest simply aren't good enough before we even go into how hard do they work.

It's a real low point at the moment.

The recruitment has been dreadful and until that changes then we won't see any improvement 😕

[theporcelainpele]

Well in the last few weeks we’ve had Gooch laughing and joking at the end of a battering by Sunderland, Laurent telling fans that it’s cool to lose after they’ve travelled to the furthest point of the country to see us concede a 97th min winner and Wilmot deciding to take his head off the game to tell supporters who never see their side win at home (or score) to calm down, all whilst being dismantled 0-5! So what do you think!
On a side note, many of our fans blamed the questioning of these acts on the supporters as being idiots. The club is a shambles. In the directors box, on the pitch and in the stands. Done!

[gingerninja]

I would add Thompson to the list, he's a good pro I think.

[stokiejoe]

To me the basic problem is that we have signed a lot of players but not a team. They play as if they have only just met and are only interested in themselves. We need to turn recruitment on its head and build a team that can play together. A left back would be a good start.

[nott1]

I am beginning to wonder if this manager is capable of turning this team into a viable unit!

[Staffsoatcake]

No,they don't give a Donkeys Donger about Stoke City,we are only their cash Cow until their next club.

[mcw]

Combination of factors at play here which have built up over numerous seasons:
- Managers coming and going and leading to mini squads within a squad with that still ongoing with SS now bringing in a couple of ex-Plymouth to add to our ex-Preston/Sunderland contingent from AN.
- Players brought in with fanfare and expecting themselves to be part of a new revitalized team that is going to charge up the table, despite the fact that the majority of them have no experience at all of this league and how brutal it is. Basically players having smoke blown up their arses about how great they are and will be and not coming in with a mentality of I'm starting from scratch here and need to build trust/respect through what I do in training and in matches.
- Legacy of being a premier league club with rich owners and therefore being seen by many players as a cash cow, rather than a stepping stone or a place to move to further their careers.
- Generally foregoing any tried and tested players at this level to build the backbone of a resilient core in the team that you can build around.

Add all of that together and you have a totally incohesive bunch of individuals who are trying to merge together into a tight nit squad. It is borderline impossible. The summer transfer window was the opportunity to put at least some building blocks in place and we all thought it would take 2/3 or maybe even more windows to flesh out the squad to something looking like it could be play-off material. Instead we've set ourselves back and not forwards by constructing an even worse squad than we let go of.

[middleoftheboothen]

Feb 5, 2024 10:20:52 GMT stokiejoe said:

To me the basic problem is that we have signed a lot of players but not a team. They play as if they have only just met and are only interested in themselves. We need to turn recruitment on its head and build a team that can play together. A left back would be a good start.

Add to that a hard as nails centre back and a striker who actually can find the back of the net and it would be a start mate.

[jimmygscfc1234]

Feb 5, 2024 10:09:29 GMT GreaterGlasgowstokie said:

Feb 5, 2024 10:06:29 GMT rowleyscfc said:

 Don't they feel embarrassed? like week after week we are out fought, out worked and ultimately they're never at eachother necks. 

The days of Fuller giving Griffin a slap at West Ham because he allowed his man to walk off him for their goal, not saying the players need to slap each other every week, but who's driving standards and hold players accountable?

If you have no pride in playing for the club, at least have pride within your self, the lack off fight within this group of wankers is unbelievable

Burger, junho, Gooch and Tch are the only ones id be arsed about keeping because at worst they play with a decent level of effort  

I totally agree but that's not why fuller lost it with griffin.

It was because Griffin was injured. It was a crucial game, at half time griffin said he was ok to carry on, but he wasn't. And it was because he was not able to move normally that he lost his man. That's why fuller lost it, because Griffin wasn't acting professionally and let the side down by not being honest about the injury.

Again though, can you imagine any of this lot caring enough to do what Griffin did, let alone what fuller did?

I was there that day. I still can’t excuse what Fuller did, especially for the reason you outline. As much as I loved Ricardo, you don’t slap a team mate. He then got sent off for doing so and buggered us up as much as Griffin may have done.

[rowleyscfc]

Feb 5, 2024 14:49:03 GMT jimmygscfc1234 said:

Feb 5, 2024 10:09:29 GMT GreaterGlasgowstokie said:

I totally agree but that's not why fuller lost it with griffin.

It was because Griffin was injured. It was a crucial game, at half time griffin said he was ok to carry on, but he wasn't. And it was because he was not able to move normally that he lost his man. That's why fuller lost it, because Griffin wasn't acting professionally and let the side down by not being honest about the injury.

Again though, can you imagine any of this lot caring enough to do what Griffin did, let alone what fuller did?

I was there that day. I still can’t excuse what Fuller did, especially for the reason you outline. As much as I loved Ricardo, you don’t slap a team mate. He then got sent off for doing so and buggered us up as much as Griffin may have done.

God I'd love half this squad get a slap hahaha, but whilst I don't agree with what fuller did just 2 pros blowing up in pure passion for the club in my eyes.

Whelan said on Saturday players would of been at eachother necks in their changing room after a loss like that.

I remember a Walters story of starting a fight with Shawcross at half time because he had been poor in the first half against Palace at home, second half we come out and won 2-1, Shawcross netting the winner, a player that rose to it and didn't crumble like this bunch of soft touches.

Standards were set by these players, I ask who's doing that for us now?

[kidcrewbob]

They don't give a flying fuck - the days of "pride in the jersey" "dying for the cause" and "running through brick walls" are long gone - it's all about the money and how to get the most the quickest and easiest - especially at this level.....

[Staffsoatcake]

For most of our Premiership days,the players cared,it was them against the other sides,the Refs & the Press.

Most of this present lot only care about themselves & what they can get from the club,until they move on.

[jimmygscfc1234]

We're not a tough team in any way shape or form. Junior's got something about him as far as attitude and physicality is concerned but most everyone else is passive. Burger and Bae have loads of effort as well as skill but we're crying out for a couple of strong characters at the very least at centre back, midfield and up top. We might have to wait a while...