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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 3, 2024 23:21:18 GMT
Midfield would be better with Baker and Laurent when fit..Why didn't SS bring Baker on today ??? Clearly a fall out which I think might be more on Baker than Schumacher as it seems a bit of a recurrence. If a CM starts scoring you goals and winning games you don’t only give him 60 minutes in the next 3 games - not even used the last two games at all.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 3, 2024 23:25:29 GMT
Midfield would be better with Baker and Laurent when fit..Why didn't SS bring Baker on today ??? Clearly a fall out which I think might be more on Baker than Schumacher as it seems a bit of a recurrence. If a CM starts scoring you goals and winning games you don’t only give him 60 minutes in the next 3 games - not even used the last two games at all. This is what happens when you start calling people "Head Coach" instead of Manager or Boss.
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 3, 2024 23:31:16 GMT
People need to calm down. We played a team that punish today and unfortunately we lost the game in the first half with a poor decision and then poor defending. We've more than enough to stay up and I'd bet we'll finish about Plymouth this season. Next Week: Iverson Junior Rose McNally Gooch Burger Cundle Bae Million Ennis Campbell Strong side that is. If Ty isn't interested then pop Haks/Vidigal there instead. There's no room for Campbell or McNally There's no room for Wilmott after today's performance
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Post by callas12 on Feb 3, 2024 23:40:54 GMT
People need to calm down. We played a team that punish today and unfortunately we lost the game in the first half with a poor decision and then poor defending. We've more than enough to stay up and I'd bet we'll finish about Plymouth this season. Next Week: Iverson Junior Rose McNally Gooch Burger Cundle Bae Million Ennis Campbell Strong side that is. If Ty isn't interested then pop Haks/Vidigal there instead. Calm down? We're 20th in the league and four points from the relegation zone. We're shipping goals for fun with an atrocious defence, and have scored 11 goals in our last 15 home games. The apathy and happy clapping at this club is laughable. Absolutely bang on this is! Wasn't it a famous quote of not knowing what all the fuss was about that oversaw us getting relegated from the Premier League?! No concerns, we'll be just fine?! Yeah right! Happy clapping and thinking we'll be fine is a dangerous game to play, if there are shoots of positivity then all well & good but there quite simply isn't! We scraped a win at bottom club Rotherham in early January! We'd have left there with a point had Bakers rocket of a free kick not gone In! Would we have celebrated leaving there with a point I wonder & dread to think?! We lost to a team who have been horrendously poor this season in Birmingham, who we managed to beat only 3 weeks earlier, but then we went & lost also to Sunderland who were on a poor run & their new manager was beginning to feel the heat! Yes Leicester were good today, easily the best team in the league, absolutely granted. But there's no hiding away from the fact today was not a one off by any means, we're very weak and suspect at the back, often creating our own issues nevermind how good the opposition are! We can't score no matter how many chances we create! Make no mistake we're in a relegation battle here. Is 'Trying not to get caught up in the hyberbole' the 2024 version of 'I don't know what all the fuss is about?' I think it may well be if we don't sharpen up at the back & continue to not convert chances!
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Post by stokieinlondon on Feb 3, 2024 23:42:29 GMT
Our season will not be defined by losing to Leicester. Everyone loses to Leicester and we’re miles off them sadly.
Let’s not all shit ourselves about this game. We need to win games against teams we should beat. Not today.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Feb 3, 2024 23:47:56 GMT
Our season will not be defined by losing to Leicester. Everyone loses to Leicester and we’re miles off them sadly. Let’s not all shit ourselves about this game. We need to win games against teams we should beat. Not today. I expected to lose today. In fact, I had Leicester in my Acca. I wasn't expecting a dry humping, but there you go. I think people are way more concerned about the bigger picture, than they are today's defeat.
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Post by callas12 on Feb 3, 2024 23:50:27 GMT
Our season will not be defined by losing to Leicester. Everyone loses to Leicester and we’re miles off them sadly. Let’s not all shit ourselves about this game. We need to win games against teams we should beat. Not today. I think the majority aren't defining our season on this one game. But add the defeats to Birmingham (who were below us!), Sunderland & scraping a 1-0 win at bottom club Rotherham & all the other shocking stats our club are providing us with, there's genuine concern as to where our goals and points are coming from. Sadly I don't see us beating Blackburn or QPR In the next two matches.. Forget Sheff Weds and Rotherham currently occupying the bottom 2 places, that 3rd relegation spot is well & truely up for grabs for the club who bottles it the most!
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 3, 2024 23:51:16 GMT
I'd play Sol Sidibe ahead of Cundle. Good shout.. I guarantee it won't happen though.. Cundle is to Schumacher as Allen was to every Stoke manager he played under. Cundle was our best midfielder going forward today. He found space, beat players to loose balls and slipped in some lovely little passes. Today I thought he started to show why SS wanted him. Unfortunately, I know nothing about Plymouth, but I think he's probably used to playing with forwards with a bit more energy and fight than Campbell. Having said that I was quite encouraged by that side of Ennis's game and thought he could work well against lesser opposition than Leicester.
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Post by starkiller on Feb 4, 2024 0:35:16 GMT
I'm just glad it's not my job to try and pick the players up and give them some confidence for next week. Because I have no idea how. Many of them have overconfidence. Thinking they are better than they are. And thinking they are better than the club.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Feb 4, 2024 0:43:43 GMT
Calm down? We're 20th in the league and four points from the relegation zone. We're shipping goals for fun with an atrocious defence, and have scored 11 goals in our last 15 home games. The apathy and happy clapping at this club is laughable. Absolutely bang on this is! Wasn't it a famous quote of not knowing what all the fuss was about that oversaw us getting relegated from the Premier League?! No concerns, we'll be just fine?! Yeah right! Happy clapping and thinking we'll be fine is a dangerous game to play, if there are shoots of positivity then all well & good but there quite simply isn't! We scraped a win at bottom club Rotherham in early January! We'd have left there with a point had Bakers rocket of a free kick not gone In! Would we have celebrated leaving there with a point I wonder & dread to think?! We lost to a team who have been horrendously poor this season in Birmingham, who we managed to beat only 3 weeks earlier, but then we went & lost also to Sunderland who were on a poor run & their new manager was beginning to feel the heat! Yes Leicester were good today, easily the best team in the league, absolutely granted. But there's no hiding away from the fact today was not a one off by any means, we're very weak and suspect at the back, often creating our own issues nevermind how good the opposition are! We can't score no matter how many chances we create! Make no mistake we're in a relegation battle here. Is 'Trying not to get caught up in the hyberbole' the 2024 version of 'I don't know what all the fuss is about?' I think it may well be if we don't sharpen up at the back & continue to not convert chances! It's called sleepwalking to relegation which is what we are doing. If SS keeps us up he could be the new TP..But we need an Akinbiyi type striker..
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Post by yellowsnowman on Feb 4, 2024 0:50:52 GMT
People need to calm down. We played a team that punish today and unfortunately we lost the game in the first half with a poor decision and then poor defending. We've more than enough to stay up and I'd bet we'll finish about Plymouth this season. Next Week: Iverson Junior Rose McNally Gooch Burger Cundle Bae Million Ennis Campbell Strong side that is. If Ty isn't interested then pop Haks/Vidigal there instead. Id pop vidigal in there i think, thats more like it tho.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 4, 2024 0:51:09 GMT
Good shout.. I guarantee it won't happen though.. Cundle is to Schumacher as Allen was to every Stoke manager he played under. Cundle was our best midfielder going forward today. He found space, beat players to loose balls and slipped in some lovely little passes. Today I thought he started to show why SS wanted him. Unfortunately, I know nothing about Plymouth, but I think he's probably used to playing with forwards with a bit more energy and fight than Campbell. Having said that I was quite encouraged by that side of Ennis's game and thought he could work well against lesser opposition than Leicester. I noticed him doing some better stuff going forwards today but still didn't really assert himself and they just floated past him. I think Thompson-Burger-Bae is the best midfield setup we've had this season. Burger-Bae-Baker works when you can risk being more open. The midfield was fine, and sometimes great, until he got wodged in there.
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Post by onionman on Feb 4, 2024 0:57:08 GMT
We’re not sleepwalking towards relegation. We’ve had a strong cup of coffee, a tin of Red Bull and a king size packet of Skittles and are currently charging down the motorway towards League One with our eyes wide open.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Feb 4, 2024 0:57:16 GMT
Burger Bae Baker like the sound of that..
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Post by Bagwash on Feb 4, 2024 1:35:06 GMT
Our season will not be defined by losing to Leicester. Everyone loses to Leicester and we’re miles off them sadly. Let’s not all shit ourselves about this game. We need to win games against teams we should beat. Not today. I agree about today,Leicester are by far the best team in this division and I was expecting to lose but we never threatened them at any stage of the game.I thought we would have at least had a bit of a go at them. 5-0 flattered us.
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 4, 2024 1:59:52 GMT
Calm down? We're 20th in the league and four points from the relegation zone. We're shipping goals for fun with an atrocious defence, and have scored 11 goals in our last 15 home games. The apathy and happy clapping at this club is laughable. Absolutely bang on this is! Wasn't it a famous quote of not knowing what all the fuss was about that oversaw us getting relegated from the Premier League?! No concerns, we'll be just fine?! Yeah right! Happy clapping and thinking we'll be fine is a dangerous game to play, if there are shoots of positivity then all well & good but there quite simply isn't! We scraped a win at bottom club Rotherham in early January! We'd have left there with a point had Bakers rocket of a free kick not gone In! Would we have celebrated leaving there with a point I wonder & dread to think?! We lost to a team who have been horrendously poor this season in Birmingham, who we managed to beat only 3 weeks earlier, but then we went & lost also to Sunderland who were on a poor run & their new manager was beginning to feel the heat! Yes Leicester were good today, easily the best team in the league, absolutely granted. But there's no hiding away from the fact today was not a one off by any means, we're very weak and suspect at the back, often creating our own issues nevermind how good the opposition are! We can't score no matter how many chances we create! Make no mistake we're in a relegation battle here. Is 'Trying not to get caught up in the hyberbole' the 2024 version of 'I don't know what all the fuss is about?' I think it may well be if we don't sharpen up at the back & continue to not convert chances! The way you present this is very binary / black or white. It’s not a case of ‘we are fine’ or ‘we are in a real relegation battle’. The reverse would be true if we’d won three on the bounce, we wouldn’t suddenly be promotion material. We are one of the poorer sides in the division, that much is obvious from our league position, but the games you are quoting above are not reflective of our overall status in my opinion. We will probably bounce along winning the odd game and being consistently inconsistent. We have to give this manager time and money to shape the squad and see what he can do, but he’s not a miracle worker by any means so just because people don’t suddenly think we are in real danger of going down doesn’t mean they are happy clappers as you put it. Today was a very poor showing, hopefully the manager has learned a thing or two about this side, the main thing I think it we simply cannot play on the back foot, we are too defensively and mentally weak to battle it out.
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Post by callas12 on Feb 4, 2024 2:19:21 GMT
Absolutely bang on this is! Wasn't it a famous quote of not knowing what all the fuss was about that oversaw us getting relegated from the Premier League?! No concerns, we'll be just fine?! Yeah right! Happy clapping and thinking we'll be fine is a dangerous game to play, if there are shoots of positivity then all well & good but there quite simply isn't! We scraped a win at bottom club Rotherham in early January! We'd have left there with a point had Bakers rocket of a free kick not gone In! Would we have celebrated leaving there with a point I wonder & dread to think?! We lost to a team who have been horrendously poor this season in Birmingham, who we managed to beat only 3 weeks earlier, but then we went & lost also to Sunderland who were on a poor run & their new manager was beginning to feel the heat! Yes Leicester were good today, easily the best team in the league, absolutely granted. But there's no hiding away from the fact today was not a one off by any means, we're very weak and suspect at the back, often creating our own issues nevermind how good the opposition are! We can't score no matter how many chances we create! Make no mistake we're in a relegation battle here. Is 'Trying not to get caught up in the hyberbole' the 2024 version of 'I don't know what all the fuss is about?' I think it may well be if we don't sharpen up at the back & continue to not convert chances! The way you present this is very binary / black or white. It’s not a case of ‘we are fine’ or ‘we are in a real relegation battle’. The reverse would be true if we’d won three on the bounce, we wouldn’t suddenly be promotion material. We are one of the poorer sides in the division, that much is obvious from our league position, but the games you are quoting above are not reflective of our overall status in my opinion. We will probably bounce along winning the odd game and being consistently inconsistent. We have to give this manager time and money to shape the squad and see what he can do, but he’s not a miracle worker by any means so just because people don’t suddenly think we are in real danger of going down doesn’t mean they are happy clappers as you put it. Today was a very poor showing, hopefully the manager has learned a thing or two about this side, the main thing I think it we simply cannot play on the back foot, we are too defensively and mentally weak to battle it out. I've in no way apportioned blame for our current predicament on the manager, I happen to think he'll ride the storm and put us on the upwards trajectory again, that's very much what I'm hoping for. I fully appreciate he's not a miracle worker but to me right now our club is in a right mess & he's trying to fight fires here there and everywhere right now. Not only are we evidently not picking up results, regardless of who the opposition is, but after today it's clear there's disharmony behind the scenes & this is where our problems will lie. We have no leaders, (Burgers trying his best I'll grant him that) & no-one who on current form is going to get us enough goals to at least give us a fighting chance. We appear a complete mismatch & have done for some time now. & the squad which in the main SS has inherited from AN & the recruitment team are clearly not fully cohesive together & that's our biggest achilles heal right now.. To survive a relegation fight everyone needs to firstly be up for it, & then move forwards as a team unit and at least show the fans that the fights even worthwhile. Today's performance was a total capitulation & on its own I could perhaps accept as a bad day in the office, but how many times have we got to leave the ground with the jubilant away fans singing in our ears, it's beyond boring now. I really wish & hope we can turn the corner from this but my optimism scale has been severly tested, and even dented today. There's too many similarities with what's happening now, with where we were in our last few months of the Premier League. Missing chances, things going against us, crap refs, not getting what we deserved, players not pulling their weight, thinking there's 3 worse teams than us who'll go down so we'll be fine, its all to similar for my liking.
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Post by independent on Feb 4, 2024 2:57:59 GMT
Some months ago, I said that when Vidigal returned from injury, we had to hope that he hadn't lost his goalscoring touch or we would wind up in trouble. I am now saying that we have to hope that our new signings (especially Million) had better create/score goals fairly regularly or we are bunched. Even if our defence could be relied on to keep clean sheets in most games, which it can't be, a point in every game till the end of the season might not be enough to save us.
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 4, 2024 5:37:10 GMT
True, I need to remember that it was Leicester out there. Also need to remember what Independent just jogged my memory with about Vidigal.
New signings to get worked up about. The Million-Burger-Manhoef gang is about to ride. Campbell still pissing me off. Then he won't, then he will again. Sayonara in the summer pal, I've had enough.
We have enough to stay up, but if yet ANOTHER manager "loses the locker room" then the damned room needs burned to the ground with TP horsewhipping them as they run out. I don't think that's what's going on now at all. Expected this loss, it's just 2 goals worse than I expected.
Addition: Seeing other threads now, some calling for the Coates' heads. Yeah the hyperbole swelled up into a full-on blister. FFS we just lost to Leicester....oh nevermind - Oatcake on the boil.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 7:05:35 GMT
Absolutely bang on this is! Wasn't it a famous quote of not knowing what all the fuss was about that oversaw us getting relegated from the Premier League?! No concerns, we'll be just fine?! Yeah right! Happy clapping and thinking we'll be fine is a dangerous game to play, if there are shoots of positivity then all well & good but there quite simply isn't! We scraped a win at bottom club Rotherham in early January! We'd have left there with a point had Bakers rocket of a free kick not gone In! Would we have celebrated leaving there with a point I wonder & dread to think?! We lost to a team who have been horrendously poor this season in Birmingham, who we managed to beat only 3 weeks earlier, but then we went & lost also to Sunderland who were on a poor run & their new manager was beginning to feel the heat! Yes Leicester were good today, easily the best team in the league, absolutely granted. But there's no hiding away from the fact today was not a one off by any means, we're very weak and suspect at the back, often creating our own issues nevermind how good the opposition are! We can't score no matter how many chances we create! Make no mistake we're in a relegation battle here. Is 'Trying not to get caught up in the hyberbole' the 2024 version of 'I don't know what all the fuss is about?' I think it may well be if we don't sharpen up at the back & continue to not convert chances! The way you present this is very binary / black or white. It’s not a case of ‘we are fine’ or ‘we are in a real relegation battle’. The reverse would be true if we’d won three on the bounce, we wouldn’t suddenly be promotion material. We are one of the poorer sides in the division, that much is obvious from our league position, but the games you are quoting above are not reflective of our overall status in my opinion. We will probably bounce along winning the odd game and being consistently inconsistent. We have to give this manager time and money to shape the squad and see what he can do, but he’s not a miracle worker by any means so just because people don’t suddenly think we are in real danger of going down doesn’t mean they are happy clappers as you put it. Today was a very poor showing, hopefully the manager has learned a thing or two about this side, the main thing I think it we simply cannot play on the back foot, we are too defensively and mentally weak to battle it out. You're right. People who think we're not in danger aren't happy clappers... They're deluded and part of the problem at this club.
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 4, 2024 9:52:12 GMT
The way you present this is very binary / black or white. It’s not a case of ‘we are fine’ or ‘we are in a real relegation battle’. The reverse would be true if we’d won three on the bounce, we wouldn’t suddenly be promotion material. We are one of the poorer sides in the division, that much is obvious from our league position, but the games you are quoting above are not reflective of our overall status in my opinion. We will probably bounce along winning the odd game and being consistently inconsistent. We have to give this manager time and money to shape the squad and see what he can do, but he’s not a miracle worker by any means so just because people don’t suddenly think we are in real danger of going down doesn’t mean they are happy clappers as you put it. Today was a very poor showing, hopefully the manager has learned a thing or two about this side, the main thing I think it we simply cannot play on the back foot, we are too defensively and mentally weak to battle it out. You're right. People who think we're not in danger aren't happy clappers... They're deluded and part of the problem at this club. To present your point in more general terms: Those who don’t agree with your point of view on a particular subject are mentally impaired / in a state of delusion / unable of unwilling to see reality. Thanks for clarifying that you are in fact, a complete tit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 10:14:06 GMT
You're right. People who think we're not in danger aren't happy clappers... They're deluded and part of the problem at this club. To present your point in more general terms: Those who don’t agree with your point of view on a particular subject are mentally impaired / in a state of delusion / unable of unwilling to see reality. Thanks for clarifying that you are in fact, a complete tit. Why are you getting personal? If you want to bury your head in the sand and not accept reality for what it is then by all means carry on. I mean, what's all the fuss about?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 4, 2024 10:33:16 GMT
People need to calm down. We played a team that punish today and unfortunately we lost the game in the first half with a poor decision and then poor defending. We've more than enough to stay up and I'd bet we'll finish about Plymouth this season. Next Week: Iverson Junior Rose McNally Gooch Burger Cundle Bae Million Ennis Campbell Strong side that is. If Ty isn't interested then pop Haks/Vidigal there instead. Only player we disagree on is Cundle. I think I’d play Thompson for abit more bite in midfield, then look to bring Cundle on for Bae if we’re winning or Thompson if we’re not. Thompson doesn't have any bite, not saying Cundle does, but Thompson is just the same.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 4, 2024 10:34:14 GMT
There's no room for Campbell or McNally There's no room for Wilmott after today's performance There never was, he's always been the problem, for some reason people just decided to ignore it.
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 4, 2024 10:41:27 GMT
To present your point in more general terms: Those who don’t agree with your point of view on a particular subject are mentally impaired / in a state of delusion / unable of unwilling to see reality. Thanks for clarifying that you are in fact, a complete tit. Why are you getting personal? If you want to bury your head in the sand and not accept reality for what it is then by all means carry on. I mean, what's all the fuss about? Why am I getting personal? Do you have to ask or isn’t it obvious? You are calling me deluded because I don’t share your opinion. Like you are some beacon of truth, and I’m an idiot or something. You are clearly an overly excitable person who has nothing else going on in life and so flies into a hyperbolic state at the drop of the hat. But if you want to do that you go right ahead. I mean, the club is about to implode so I get you. See, we can both play a version of being a tit. The only difference is I’m just pretending.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 10:54:51 GMT
Why are you getting personal? If you want to bury your head in the sand and not accept reality for what it is then by all means carry on. I mean, what's all the fuss about? Why am I getting personal? Do you have to ask or isn’t it obvious? You are calling me deluded because I don’t share your opinion. Like you are some beacon of truth, and I’m an idiot or something. You are clearly an overly excitable person who has nothing else going on in life and so flies into a hyperbolic state at the drop of the hat. But if you want to do that you go right ahead. I mean, the club is about to implode so I get you. See, we can both play a version of being a tit. The only difference is I’m just pretending. Yes, because you can diagnose me by one comment. Laughable. Anyway, enjoy League One. Sounds like you'll have a blast next season.
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 4, 2024 11:04:41 GMT
Why am I getting personal? Do you have to ask or isn’t it obvious? You are calling me deluded because I don’t share your opinion. Like you are some beacon of truth, and I’m an idiot or something. You are clearly an overly excitable person who has nothing else going on in life and so flies into a hyperbolic state at the drop of the hat. But if you want to do that you go right ahead. I mean, the club is about to implode so I get you. See, we can both play a version of being a tit. The only difference is I’m just pretending. Yes, because you can diagnose me by one comment. Laughable. Anyway, enjoy League One. Sounds like you'll have a blast next season. Ahh you want to dish it out but don’t like it when you get a taste of your own bollocks. Sounds about right. Bye!
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Post by likemondays on Feb 4, 2024 11:23:11 GMT
The players trudging off had the look and smell of a relegation team. We’ve seen it enough to recognise it. We have no lions in our squad, just kittens. By the way, Bonham made 4 or 5 great saves, otherwise we could have topped the Liverpool cup defeat.
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Post by chiprockets on Feb 4, 2024 12:48:54 GMT
Why am I getting personal? Do you have to ask or isn’t it obvious? You are calling me deluded because I don’t share your opinion. Like you are some beacon of truth, and I’m an idiot or something. You are clearly an overly excitable person who has nothing else going on in life and so flies into a hyperbolic state at the drop of the hat. But if you want to do that you go right ahead. I mean, the club is about to implode so I get you. See, we can both play a version of being a tit. The only difference is I’m just pretending. Yes, because you can diagnose me by one comment. Laughable. Anyway, enjoy League One. Sounds like you'll have a blast next season. You’re moaning about the same thing you’re doing
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