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Post by jokker on Feb 4, 2024 12:50:38 GMT
I note that Schuey had a pop about supporters turning during home games too yesterday We lost 5-0 and played like wankers you pair of clowns That's exactly when you need supporters the most. Real supporters that is.
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Post by figo85 on Feb 4, 2024 12:55:21 GMT
Wilmot is dire. Apart from the odd decent diagonal ball, he can’t header, he can’t mark, he can’t tackle and he can’t move. Garbage.
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Post by lordflashheart on Feb 4, 2024 13:12:50 GMT
I’ve not seen a player as shit as they actually are versus as how good they think they are as wilmot does. He’s fucking hopeless. Who tells him he can pass a ball? Who actually tells him? The coaches? Jesus it’s painful watch him. He’s absolute toilet and has at least one mistake in him a game. Weak as shit too with zero leadership and likes blame others
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 4, 2024 13:17:39 GMT
Everyone finally cottoned on that he’s wank then?
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Post by tuum on Feb 4, 2024 13:36:47 GMT
He’s not wrong. God forbid that a manager just answer a question. It’s to be expected that the fans are pissed. Stoke have been awful for years. However, fans booing and ironically cheering isn’t going to work either. It’s not up to the fans to make their team play better. That’s on the manager and players. However, it’s not surprising that they play worse when the crowd does turn. Yeah I think his analysis is fair, and ultimately he’s saying the players are too brittle. I don’t think it’s a dig at the fans. Just a bit odd to describe it as the fans “turning”, when it’s probably better described as the fans simply resigning themselves to another loss and slowly drifting from the stadium. The fans do turn though and the players recognise it. Ironic cheers when we pass it forward (happened earlier this season under AN), groans and the odd boo when we pass it backwards. Cheering when players are subbed off (happened a few times). Fans are understandably frustrated but venting their frustrations at the players rarely works. SS (and AN for that matter) is right. The crowd does turn as easily as the players when we go a goal down. SS and AN were also right in saying that the onus is on the players to create the atmosphere to turn it around. Yesterday, we got nothing. We were chasing shadows... and players couldn't be arsed to do even that at times. All players were guilty to a varying extent..even those who put a shift in. That has to be a worry for SS.
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Post by tuum on Feb 4, 2024 13:41:09 GMT
The crowd does turn as easily as the players when we go a goal down.
In hindsight, reading back what I have just wrote. The bit above is a little harsh on the fans. There have been times where we have been positive after conceding a goal. Mainly in those circumstances where we can see the organisation and level of effort is there.
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Post by jay1610 on Feb 4, 2024 13:58:43 GMT
Yeah I think his analysis is fair, and ultimately he’s saying the players are too brittle. I don’t think it’s a dig at the fans. Just a bit odd to describe it as the fans “turning”, when it’s probably better described as the fans simply resigning themselves to another loss and slowly drifting from the stadium. The fans do turn though and the players recognise it. Ironic cheers when we pass it forward (happened earlier this season under AN), groans and the odd boo when we pass it backwards. Cheering when players are subbed off (happened a few times). Fans are understandably frustrated but venting their frustrations at the players rarely works. SS (and AN for that matter) is right. The crowd does turn as easily as the players when we go a goal down. SS and AN were also right in saying that the onus is on the players to create the atmosphere to turn it around. Yesterday, we got nothing. We were chasing shadows... and players couldn't be arsed to do even that at times. All players were guilty to a varying extent..even those who put a shift in. That has to be a worry for SS. We lost at home to Birmingham two weeks ago and the crowd didn’t turn. In fact, most people I spoke to came away from the match feeling positive. I appreciate what you are saying, but to say grumbling from a small sub-section of the crowd on the odd occasion is a factor in our shit home form is an absolute fallacy.
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 4, 2024 14:05:39 GMT
Wilmot is toss. To not bring in a hairy arsed centre half is negligent. Rose and McNally are mediocre but remain our best partnership
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 4, 2024 14:07:59 GMT
I note that Schuey had a pop about supporters turning during home games too yesterday We lost 5-0 and played like wankers you pair of clowns Did he? I must have missed that comment
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Post by pushon on Feb 4, 2024 14:18:57 GMT
I note that Schuey had a pop about supporters turning during home games too yesterday We lost 5-0 and played like wankers you pair of clowns That's exactly when you need supporters the most. Real supporters that is. I'd say that if you pay the entrance money then you're as much of a supporter as anyone else.
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Post by jokker on Feb 4, 2024 15:53:58 GMT
That's exactly when you need supporters the most. Real supporters that is. I'd say that if you pay the entrance money then you're as much of a supporter as anyone else. No. That's when you are a paying customer. Supporting is sticking behind the team through thick, and currently mostly, thin.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 4, 2024 16:06:21 GMT
I'd say that if you pay the entrance money then you're as much of a supporter as anyone else. No. That's when you are a paying customer. Supporting is sticking behind the team through thick, and currently mostly, thin. I get your point. But to be fair to the fans its been 7 years of steady decline. I'm actually fucking staggered that we are still getting crowds in the mid 20 thousands to be honest. I also think the fans do try to cling onto events on the pitch to muster up some volume and support. The problem is the players aint chucking many bones for us to feast on. The manager and the players are in a hole. They need to sort their shit out or the fans really will begin letting them know that they're not happy.
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Post by jokker on Feb 4, 2024 16:14:36 GMT
No. That's when you are a paying customer. Supporting is sticking behind the team through thick, and currently mostly, thin. I get your point. But to be fair to the fans its been 7 years of steady decline. I'm actually fucking staggered that we are still getting crowds in the mid 20 thousands to be honest. I also think the fans do try to cling onto events on the pitch to muster up some volume and support. The problem is the players aint chucking many bones for us to feast on. The manager and the players are in a hole. They need to sort their shit out or the fans really will begin letting them know that they're not happy. That's what happens on the continent and quite a few English clubs as well. Be proud that by and large Stoke is not one of them. So far. I agree that the size of crowds is amazing. Not turning up is one way of showing unhappiness. It speaks louder than booing and shouting Yet few take that course of action.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 4, 2024 16:15:52 GMT
True fans support there team whatever happens. You don't leave the stadium when the second goal goes in ! Embarrassing really.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 4, 2024 16:21:11 GMT
Seems that some are reliving 2018, and are prepared to happy clap us to Barrow away in August
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 4, 2024 16:24:47 GMT
True fans support there team whatever happens. You don't leave the stadium when the second goal goes in ! Embarrassing really. True fans pay their money and can leave when they want. If you stayed to the end…..great, however that doesn’t make you more of a fan than anyone else.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 4, 2024 16:25:14 GMT
Seems that some are reliving 2018, and are prepared to happy clap us to Barrow away in August Because you go every week doesn’t mean you’re a happy clapper mate,football fans all around the country do exactly the same. You’ve chosen a different route now after years of watching some absolute dirge so preaching to others in my opinion isn’t right
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 4, 2024 16:27:05 GMT
Seems that some are reliving 2018, and are prepared to happy clap us to Barrow away in August It's fucking mental isn't it? Fans like this with their heads firmly stuck up their arses are as big of a problem than the owners who've overseen our spectacular decline.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 4, 2024 16:38:49 GMT
He hasn’t looked the same since he come back. Needs a good pre-season behind him The problem is he does look the same, he's utter dog shit.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 4, 2024 16:40:43 GMT
True fans support there team whatever happens. You don't leave the stadium when the second goal goes in ! Embarrassing really. True fans pay their money and can leave when they want. If you stayed to the end…..great, however that doesn’t make you more of a fan than anyone else. What makes someone a real fan? To state it in a simple way, a true fan is someone who supports his team through thick and thin.
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Post by theglove on Feb 4, 2024 16:53:43 GMT
Yeah I think his analysis is fair, and ultimately he’s saying the players are too brittle. I don’t think it’s a dig at the fans. Just a bit odd to describe it as the fans “turning”, when it’s probably better described as the fans simply resigning themselves to another loss and slowly drifting from the stadium. The fans do turn though and the players recognise it. Ironic cheers when we pass it forward (happened earlier this season under AN), groans and the odd boo when we pass it backwards. Cheering when players are subbed off (happened a few times). Fans are understandably frustrated but venting their frustrations at the players rarely works. SS (and AN for that matter) is right. The crowd does turn as easily as the players when we go a goal down. SS and AN were also right in saying that the onus is on the players to create the atmosphere to turn it around. Yesterday, we got nothing. We were chasing shadows... and players couldn't be arsed to do even that at times. All players were guilty to a varying extent..even those who put a shift in. That has to be a worry for SS. In real life, when you get humiliated you tend to learn from it and make sure it never happens again. Not if you're a precious footballer though it seems.
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Post by rowbeartoe on Feb 4, 2024 16:57:32 GMT
Ben Wilmot is a massive problem.
He's only half decent if he's playing next to someone with any kind of presence who can command him and tell him what to do.
You make him the leading presence in the back line and it crumbles. He has no authority and he's not good enough to lead by example. He becomes a shadow when he's next to someone equally as average as he is.
We've basically got a player who only ups his game when he's playing with someone who's better than him and we have no one who is better than him in the squad as it stands and you'd much rather we had two consistently good defenders than one who doesn't show up unless he's made to.
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 4, 2024 17:01:16 GMT
True fans pay their money and can leave when they want. If you stayed to the end…..great, however that doesn’t make you more of a fan than anyone else. What makes someone a real fan? To state it in a simple way, a true fan is someone who supports his team through thick and thin. Mainly thin if it’s Stoke City
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 4, 2024 17:06:02 GMT
Gordon Ottershaw and Barnstoneworth Utd comes to mind. Now that is the definition of a 'true' supporter
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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 4, 2024 18:50:16 GMT
What makes someone a real fan? To state it in a simple way, a true fan is someone who supports his team through thick and thin. Mainly thin if it’s Stoke City We certainly have experienced some rubbish times over the years. It's all part of being a Stoke fan. I will be at work tomorrow with a smile on my face, unlike the few Chelsea fans who I work with, they probably will not speak for the day, it's normally the Man utd fans silent on a Monday, but they managed a win this weekend.
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Post by baconburger on Feb 4, 2024 19:13:08 GMT
Yeah I think his analysis is fair, and ultimately he’s saying the players are too brittle. I don’t think it’s a dig at the fans. Just a bit odd to describe it as the fans “turning”, when it’s probably better described as the fans simply resigning themselves to another loss and slowly drifting from the stadium. The fans do turn though and the players recognise it. Ironic cheers when we pass it forward (happened earlier this season under AN), groans and the odd boo when we pass it backwards. Cheering when players are subbed off (happened a few times). Fans are understandably frustrated but venting their frustrations at the players rarely works. SS (and AN for that matter) is right. The crowd does turn as easily as the players when we go a goal down. SS and AN were also right in saying that the onus is on the players to create the atmosphere to turn it around. Yesterday, we got nothing. We were chasing shadows... and players couldn't be arsed to do even that at times. All players were guilty to a varying extent..even those who put a shift in. That has to be a worry for SS. Wow that’s the definition of the crowd turning how fucking tame.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 4, 2024 19:13:12 GMT
Seems that some are reliving 2018, and are prepared to happy clap us to Barrow away in August Because you go every week doesn’t mean you’re a happy clapper mate,football fans all around the country do exactly the same. You’ve chosen a different route now after years of watching some absolute dirge so preaching to others in my opinion isn’t right I never said it did. Its behaviour in there and on social media, accepting constant failure with hardly a shrug of the shoulders. My different route is based on who I work for, but I won't apologise for watching that over Stoke. I'm not preaching, its observing. And I'm observing 2018 all over again. If folk are happy with that....great. Soon though, the club will see a ground 1/2 empty.....that may jolt them? What I see on a weekly basis is more and more time-served Stokies at non league games. Lads who have been all round the country no matter the league we were in. They've become apathetic to the club and that's what kills clubs, not people holding others to account.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 4, 2024 19:19:59 GMT
Because you go every week doesn’t mean you’re a happy clapper mate,football fans all around the country do exactly the same. You’ve chosen a different route now after years of watching some absolute dirge so preaching to others in my opinion isn’t right I never said it did. Its behaviour in there and on social media, accepting constant failure with hardly a shrug of the shoulders. My different route is based on who I work for, but I won't apologise for watching that over Stoke. I'm not preaching, it’s observing. And I'm observing 2018 all over again. If folk are happy with that....great. Soon though, the club will see a ground 1/2 empty.....that may jolt them? What I see on a weekly basis is more and more time-served Stokies at non league games. Lads who have been all round the country no matter the league we were in. They've become apathetic to the club and that's what kills clubs, not people holding others to account. Was you accepting of all the dirge we watched then over the years when you turned up week in week out? No one is happy with what’s going off this season or since relegation but it’s in people’s blood and you only have to look at the following next Saturday to Blackburn to see this.
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Post by meirman61 on Feb 4, 2024 20:37:30 GMT
I never said it did. Its behaviour in there and on social media, accepting constant failure with hardly a shrug of the shoulders. My different route is based on who I work for, but I won't apologise for watching that over Stoke. I'm not preaching, it’s observing. And I'm observing 2018 all over again. If folk are happy with that....great. Soon though, the club will see a ground 1/2 empty.....that may jolt them? What I see on a weekly basis is more and more time-served Stokies at non league games. Lads who have been all round the country no matter the league we were in. They've become apathetic to the club and that's what kills clubs, not people holding others to account. Was you accepting of all the dirge we watched then over the years when you turned up week in week out? No one is happy with what’s going off this season or since relegation but it’s in people’s blood and you only have to look at the following next Saturday to Blackburn to see this. Would we have 3000+ going Blackburn if tickets were on Sale starting tomorrow..
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 4, 2024 20:44:06 GMT
I never said it did. Its behaviour in there and on social media, accepting constant failure with hardly a shrug of the shoulders. My different route is based on who I work for, but I won't apologise for watching that over Stoke. I'm not preaching, it’s observing. And I'm observing 2018 all over again. If folk are happy with that....great. Soon though, the club will see a ground 1/2 empty.....that may jolt them? What I see on a weekly basis is more and more time-served Stokies at non league games. Lads who have been all round the country no matter the league we were in. They've become apathetic to the club and that's what kills clubs, not people holding others to account. Was you accepting of all the dirge we watched then over the years when you turned up week in week out? No one is happy with what’s going off this season or since relegation but it’s in people’s blood and you only have to look at the following next Saturday to Blackburn to see this. Good question, but I felt a connection then, and for me that's what its all about. I've never felt mire distant from my club, and that's with me having a kid there for a decade. I get that connection and fun at Leek now. I still love SCFC, and that's why I post....I don't want to see it drop to the third tier, but if folk don't start holding thus club to account, it will.
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