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Post by beautifulnorth on Jan 30, 2024 9:04:59 GMT
The blondie in Hi de hi is married to George from George and Mildred...is he still alive Brian Murphy ? The man could drink, used to knock them back with Richard Burton in his day he’s still a live , 91 yrs old Can he play as a number 9 ?
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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 30, 2024 18:20:24 GMT
I've never understood this argument. What makes it a holiday camp, do they have redcoats there? Is there a beach at Clayton Woods? Players have contracts, you can't just 'not pay a player' because they haven't shown the required amount of desire or something. It's that sort of attitude that has people wanting Roy Keane to be given management jobs still. It’s where players play without fear of what happens to them or the club they play for. We used to have players who bought in to the club and would run through walls for SCFC. There is a perception that now the players can do as little as they want and will suffer no repercussions as a result. They can leave the end of their contract and play elsewhere as people can just blame the club rather than individual players. I don’t know if that’s entirely the case but it would explain why we are in such a rut. isn't that just a reality of football now? They're all professionals who could get a contract elsewhere, even if they were a Stoke fan. Look at Sam Clucas, he somehow managed to convince a Championship club to give him a deal. And we've gone through loads of players, I could understand the criticisms directed at most of the 2018 squad, but think by the end of this season we'd probably used closer to 150 players back in the championship. We need a better culture but for me it comes through somehow going on a proper run, if next season we're 4th going into November players will have something to play for .
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Post by a on Jan 30, 2024 18:23:05 GMT
It’s where players play without fear of what happens to them or the club they play for. We used to have players who bought in to the club and would run through walls for SCFC. There is a perception that now the players can do as little as they want and will suffer no repercussions as a result. They can leave the end of their contract and play elsewhere as people can just blame the club rather than individual players. I don’t know if that’s entirely the case but it would explain why we are in such a rut. isn't that just a reality of football now? They're all professionals who could get a contract elsewhere, even if they were a Stoke fan. Look at Sam Clucas, he somehow managed to convince a Championship club to give him a deal. And we've gone through loads of players, I could understand the criticisms directed at most of the 2018 squad, but think by the end of this season we'd probably used closer to 150 players back in the championship. We need a better culture but for me it comes through somehow going on a proper run, if next season we're 4th going into November players will have something to play for . Absolutely. It’s also a culture of mercenary players who can jump from club to club, league to league if their agent is on the ball. We definitely need something to play for and rely less on loan players because the problem above is even more a potential issue
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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 30, 2024 22:21:10 GMT
isn't that just a reality of football now? They're all professionals who could get a contract elsewhere, even if they were a Stoke fan. Look at Sam Clucas, he somehow managed to convince a Championship club to give him a deal. And we've gone through loads of players, I could understand the criticisms directed at most of the 2018 squad, but think by the end of this season we'd probably used closer to 150 players back in the championship. We need a better culture but for me it comes through somehow going on a proper run, if next season we're 4th going into November players will have something to play for . Absolutely. It’s also a culture of mercenary players who can jump from club to club, league to league if their agent is on the ball. We definitely need something to play for and rely less on loan players because the problem above is even more a potential issue it's why signings like Tchamadeu & Bae are good because they need to play well here to progress further on in their careers (hopefully with us in the top flight). I think many footballers don't really like playing the game as such, it was coached out of them. It's not them as 8 year olds kicking a ball around, or being the best player in their school/team. Or the lack of effort needed to play FIFA/Football Manager. Yeah they're well paid for it, but it's probably a grind and something they only do because it saves them having to get a real job.
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Post by skip on Jan 30, 2024 22:36:35 GMT
There must be reasons, but heaven knows what they are. One suspects a sports psychologist would have something to say, if there were allowed to observe a month at the club.
A couple of things I've pondered are that we've got through so many players that there is simply no unifying core, merely a large group of individuals, and perhaps also, you can only wonder what the reputation of the club is most generally to players, seasoned and youngsters. What is our reputation? And fans legitimate expectations are tainted by us hoping that everyone is an upgrade, the next striker will be The One, a defender who isn't liable to lapses in concentration. Gooch tweeting yesterday evening may have hinted at a side of playing for Stoke that players don't genuinely enjoy, and everyone knows football is a confidence game. And no I'm not blaming the fans before someone gets there knickers in a twist.
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Post by skip on Jan 30, 2024 23:34:29 GMT
Absolutely. It’s also a culture of mercenary players who can jump from club to club, league to league if their agent is on the ball. We definitely need something to play for and rely less on loan players because the problem above is even more a potential issue it's why signings like Tchamadeu & Bae are good because they need to play well here to progress further on in their careers (hopefully with us in the top flight). I think many footballers don't really like playing the game as such, it was coached out of them. It's not them as 8 year olds kicking a ball around, or being the best player in their school/team. Or the lack of effort needed to play FIFA/Football Manager. Yeah they're well paid for it, but it's probably a grind and something they only do because it saves them having to get a real job. Having witnessed developmental level youth football for a couple of seasons, it is unbelievably difficult to get to the stage all professional footballers are to get a contract with a club like Stoke. One thing you can't accuse any of them is arseing about because it beats work? Really?
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Post by a on Jan 31, 2024 8:25:17 GMT
Absolutely. It’s also a culture of mercenary players who can jump from club to club, league to league if their agent is on the ball. We definitely need something to play for and rely less on loan players because the problem above is even more a potential issue it's why signings like Tchamadeu & Bae are good because they need to play well here to progress further on in their careers (hopefully with us in the top flight). I think many footballers don't really like playing the game as such, it was coached out of them. It's not them as 8 year olds kicking a ball around, or being the best player in their school/team. Or the lack of effort needed to play FIFA/Football Manager. Yeah they're well paid for it, but it's probably a grind and something they only do because it saves them having to get a real job. Yea the upcoming or obscure player route is the way to go if you can find them, but I suppose that’s the tricky part. Give me that though over Aden Flint, Gregory or the like any day
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Post by scfcnicholas on Jan 31, 2024 10:23:12 GMT
No it was either someone from the Sentinel or Radio Stoke who frequents CW who said the atmosphere was pretty awful when AN was in charge. So a good working atmosphere suddenly turns into a holiday camp when things don’t just go our way. A couple of bad results and what you need is some fucking hypocrite bully boy going about the place being a completely unreasonable prick and then having a violent naked tantrum when someone dares question him. I accept that Neil's attitude might have wound a few up, he wound me up, but the OP said it had been like that for years. I was just wondering where that had come from? Rumours like that largely come from disaffected players/ex players and their mardy strops are hardly unbiased generally speaking. Totally agree and it’s funny how it always surfaces after the manager’s been chopped. I hear this sort of nonsense a lot and take it with a pinch of salt as it almost seems a cliche.
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Post by jokker on Jan 31, 2024 10:55:06 GMT
It's just a catchphrase, easy to use, because it can be taken to mean anything, but really it means nothing. So it's easy for an incoming manager to say about the set up he's coming into without actually criticising the departing manager/colleague or the board.
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 31, 2024 13:17:38 GMT
No manager is going to come in here and say "Well glad to be here, but this squad is shit and the last manager was incompetent, so don't go getting too excited ..." But I assert that violent naked tantrums are vastly underrated, just for the entertainment value alone.
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Post by hoppo96 on Feb 1, 2024 17:28:06 GMT
it's why signings like Tchamadeu & Bae are good because they need to play well here to progress further on in their careers (hopefully with us in the top flight). I think many footballers don't really like playing the game as such, it was coached out of them. It's not them as 8 year olds kicking a ball around, or being the best player in their school/team. Or the lack of effort needed to play FIFA/Football Manager. Yeah they're well paid for it, but it's probably a grind and something they only do because it saves them having to get a real job. Having witnessed developmental level youth football for a couple of seasons, it is unbelievably difficult to get to the stage all professional footballers are to get a contract with a club like Stoke. One thing you can't accuse any of them is arseing about because it beats work? Really? I don't think they're lazy, but I don't think they're going to see their career more as that, a career not something they have to enjoy as such.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Feb 3, 2024 18:14:15 GMT
Shut Clayton woods down replace it with Portakabins and tell them it’s not opening again until relegation is avoided. Pampered twats.
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Post by pushon on Feb 3, 2024 18:41:48 GMT
Shut Clayton woods down replace it with Portakabins and tell them it’s not opening again until relegation is avoided. Pampered twats. They'll still get paid though😠
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Post by scfcrmagic on Feb 4, 2024 1:17:23 GMT
Shut Clayton woods down replace it with Portakabins and tell them it’s not opening again until relegation is avoided. Pampered twats. They'll still get paid though😠 I like the portakabins idea …..are we going full on Rocky IV …..hashing together a gymnasium out of old tyres, rope and oil drums? …on the players still getting paid I would be getting my money’s worth out of them ….how about making them do a full day at work ? Not all training because that would be too much …..mix it up a bit Maybe go rambling in the locality ….maybe a teamwork challenge ……drop them in groups no car, no money, no phone or smart watch, in somewhere like Fegg Hayes And see who can find their way back to Clayton Wood……that would build some backbone….
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 4, 2024 3:39:44 GMT
There must be reasons, but heaven knows what they are. One suspects a sports psychologist would have something to say, if there were allowed to observe a month at the club. A couple of things I've pondered are that we've got through so many players that there is simply no unifying core, merely a large group of individuals, and perhaps also, you can only wonder what the reputation of the club is most generally to players, seasoned and youngsters. What is our reputation? And fans legitimate expectations are tainted by us hoping that everyone is an upgrade, the next striker will be The One, a defender who isn't liable to lapses in concentration. Gooch tweeting yesterday evening may have hinted at a side of playing for Stoke that players don't genuinely enjoy, and everyone knows football is a confidence game. And no I'm not blaming the fans before someone gets there knickers in a twist. You can't imagine that dressing room 'running itself' as was Hughes' want. There's none of them that you can see would drag the others together to try and understand how to pull together for the good of the group, if nothing else. It's just a career to them, they'll all move on and carry on kicking a ball despite the incompetents running the club. The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over despite it not working. Rowett, Jones, O'Neill, Neil and now Schumacher - rip it up and start again. They're not all shit managers. We're just a shit club.
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