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Post by chamberlain on Jan 20, 2024 19:37:36 GMT
He should play right sided centre back in a 3 or not at all Definitely not at all
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Post by mrnovember on Jan 20, 2024 19:46:09 GMT
Personally I think he's mentally fragile. He needs to have more confidence in his ability. And learn how to tackle.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 20, 2024 19:58:10 GMT
Send him back, today's "performance" rivalled Cuco Martina's stint here, pathetic.
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Post by Northy on Jan 20, 2024 19:59:18 GMT
Very poor today, and not great from SS for bringing him out for the 2nd half, gave away the free kick that cost us the game.
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Hoever
Jan 20, 2024 20:00:22 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Jan 20, 2024 20:00:22 GMT
Him and McNally were competing as to who could be worse. Mmaee wasn’t far behind them either Doesn’t help they’re stood next to each other either The bottom right and top left of the pitch first half was an absolute joke.
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Post by st3mark on Jan 20, 2024 20:30:25 GMT
His worst performance for us today in my opinion.
I've seen enough of him now to know he's tripe.
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Post by lordb on Jan 20, 2024 20:41:12 GMT
He did some good stuff today But that was in sharp contrast to the utter Shyte stuff he did, some really unacceptable moments
He can't play v Clarke next week
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Post by danceswithclams on Jan 20, 2024 20:43:32 GMT
He's consistently the worst player* in the side and shouldn't be anywhere near the starting line-up.
*Except for when Gayle gets on the pitch.
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Hoever
Jan 20, 2024 20:47:07 GMT
Post by eddyclamp on Jan 20, 2024 20:47:07 GMT
He did not look fit to me. But no way he is a full back.
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Post by pipegatepotter on Jan 20, 2024 21:52:33 GMT
He did some good stuff today But that was in sharp contrast to the utter Shyte stuff he did, some really unacceptable moments He can't play v Clarke next week What good stuff? The bloke is an absolute liability and God knows how he’s consistently the first name on the team sheet? The bloke makes Geoff Scott look like a world beater.
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Hoever
Jan 21, 2024 14:12:49 GMT
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jan 21, 2024 14:12:49 GMT
There must be a contract clause saying if fit he plays because he’s a fucking liability. SS seems to have sussed others out (Pearson for example) so can’t imagine he’s blind to Hoever’s failings.
If there is said clause I’d play him as a winger and keep him well away from the RB zone.
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Hoever
Jan 21, 2024 15:03:06 GMT
Post by GRUMPY 1 on Jan 21, 2024 15:03:06 GMT
Gorden Banks would have done a better job at full back,he really will keep costing us points when picked. Gordon preferred to play on the right wing.
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Post by theoptimist on Jan 21, 2024 15:09:19 GMT
His only purpose is to allow the announcer to come out with that "Hoooover" schtick. About time he foòooked off back to Wolves.
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Post by onepara on Jan 21, 2024 15:13:47 GMT
He lacks 'Heart'. He was shamming injury yesterday because he was being run ragged. He makes out he's injured when he doesn't match up to his opponent. He falls down when he should be trying to recover the ball. We need to send him back when we can. He's another Mmaee, who isn't up for the fight that you get in the Championship.
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Hoever
Jan 21, 2024 15:19:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2024 15:19:37 GMT
He's an oddball. Play him at right back and he can't defend for toffee. Play him right of a three and he looks half decent and reasonably solid. I think he over estimates his pace to get back at rb and gets caught hopelessly out of position. As a wide cb he's not caught out so much. I actually think Junior and Gooch would also have struggled with Dembele's pace. He's absolutely rapid but they would have used their brains more and not given him the room to get up a head of steam.
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Hoever
Jan 21, 2024 16:10:37 GMT
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jan 21, 2024 16:10:37 GMT
Need Guinea to get a draw against Senegal so Cameroon go out and we can get Tchamadeu back as soon as possible.
With him and Gooch as our right back/ wing back options, including Leris at wingback if shit hits the fan, we can absolutely cancel his loan and free up a space we might need.
Hoever is terrible and not only did he get beat every time he was 1v1, I honestly don’t remember a pass he made that wasn’t straight to a Birmingham player or straight out of play.
Towards the end of his game before he was subbed I swear Cundle and Bae were ignoring his overlapping runs because there was no point giving the ball to him.
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Hoever
Jan 21, 2024 16:13:03 GMT
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jan 21, 2024 16:13:03 GMT
He's an oddball. Play him at right back and he can't defend for toffee. Play him right of a three and he looks half decent and reasonably solid. I think he over estimates his pace to get back at rb and gets caught hopelessly out of position. As a wide cb he's not caught out so much. I actually think Junior and Gooch would also have struggled with Dembele's pace. He's absolutely rapid but they would have used their brains more and not given him the room to get up a head of steam. Tchamadeu’s positioning when he is 1v1 is fantastic, he gets himself in such a position that it’s so difficult to get past him. I know he’s only young and played a few games for us but he’ll only be with us for a short time before he moves up. Him, Burger and Bae are players we need to drain every ounce of time and talent out of before they move on to bigger and better things. Some of the recruitment has been a little suspect but those 3 are gems.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Jan 22, 2024 0:39:33 GMT
Gorden Banks would have done a better job at full back,he really will keep costing us points when picked. Gordon preferred to play on the right wing. actually other than a goalie … dad thought he was a centre forward …..
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Post by scfcrmagic on Jan 22, 2024 0:40:14 GMT
Gorden Banks would have done a better job at full back,he really will keep costing us points when picked. Gordon preferred to play on the right wing. actually other than a goalie … dad thought he was a centre forward …..
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jan 22, 2024 4:35:13 GMT
Gordon preferred to play on the right wing. actually other than a goalie … dad thought he was a centre forward ….. Didn't we all back then! 😁
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Post by st3mark on Jan 22, 2024 9:06:35 GMT
Lots of critism of Hoever in my block during the match. One of those performances that was that bad it causes complete strangers to turn around and talk to each other in disbelief at how bad someone is.
He offers some good forward play but good form going forwards comes and goes throughout a year. In a period where he's out of form going forwards we're just left with someone who can't defend and can't make a simple 10 yard pass without passing it straight to the opposition.
If we could wiggle it, I'd send him back and loan someone else.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 22, 2024 9:31:13 GMT
Need Guinea to get a draw against Senegal so Cameroon go out and we can get Tchamadeu back as soon as possible. With him and Gooch as our right back/ wing back options, including Leris at wingback if shit hits the fan, we can absolutely cancel his loan and free up a space we might need. Hoever is terrible and not only did he get beat every time he was 1v1, I honestly don’t remember a pass he made that wasn’t straight to a Birmingham player or straight out of play. Towards the end of his game before he was subbed I swear Cundle and Bae were ignoring his overlapping runs because there was no point giving the ball to him. I don’t think it’s as simple as just cancelling his loan. Both he and Wolves have to agree to it. We could of course make it clear that he’s unlikely to play once Juniors back so pointless sitting on our bench or not even in the squad (if we get another loan in). So it would make more sense for him to go back and find another loan. In reply to your comment about the game I’m amazed he came out for the second half. He’d been roasted by a 17 year old for 45 minutes and towards the end of the half he was limping exaggeratedly round with what looked like a ‘fuck up’ injury. His body language was screaming ‘take me off please’. I’m sure had Gooch not been coming back from an injury he’d have been on at half time. The second goal is on Hoever and to some degree Schumacher for not hooking him at half time. The thing that boils my piss about him is not that he’s ‘shit’, he’s not that bad, we’ve had way worse over the years, no it’s that he doesn’t appear to give a shit. Gooch is a much more limited player but will (or so it appears) run through a brick wall for his team mates.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Jan 22, 2024 9:41:51 GMT
Need Guinea to get a draw against Senegal so Cameroon go out and we can get Tchamadeu back as soon as possible. With him and Gooch as our right back/ wing back options, including Leris at wingback if shit hits the fan, we can absolutely cancel his loan and free up a space we might need. Hoever is terrible and not only did he get beat every time he was 1v1, I honestly don’t remember a pass he made that wasn’t straight to a Birmingham player or straight out of play. Towards the end of his game before he was subbed I swear Cundle and Bae were ignoring his overlapping runs because there was no point giving the ball to him. I don’t think it’s as simple as just cancelling his loan. Both he and Wolves have to agree to it. We could of course make it clear that he’s unlikely to play once Juniors back so pointless sitting on our bench or not even in the squad (if we get another loan in). So it would make more sense for him to go back and find another loan. In reply to your comment about the game I’m amazed he came out for the second half. He’d been roasted by a 17 year old for 45 minutes and towards the end of the half he was limping exaggeratedly round with what looked like a ‘fuck up’ injury. His body language was screaming ‘take me off please’. I’m sure had Gooch not been coming back from an injury he’d have been on at half time. The second goal is on Hoever and to some degree Schumacher for not hooking him at half time. The thing that boils my piss about him is not that he’s ‘shit’, he’s not that bad, we’ve had way worse over the years, no it’s that he doesn’t appear to give a shit. Gooch is a much more limited player but will (or so it appears) run through a brick wall for his team mates. I'm not sure it's a lack of giving a shit. I suspect it's because he is mentally a but weak and not very football intelligent either. My Wolves mates (yes, unfortunately I have some of those) say it's his attitude. But to me on Saturday when things were going badly he looked fragile and lost.
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Hoever
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 22, 2024 10:01:14 GMT
I don’t think it’s as simple as just cancelling his loan. Both he and Wolves have to agree to it. We could of course make it clear that he’s unlikely to play once Juniors back so pointless sitting on our bench or not even in the squad (if we get another loan in). So it would make more sense for him to go back and find another loan. In reply to your comment about the game I’m amazed he came out for the second half. He’d been roasted by a 17 year old for 45 minutes and towards the end of the half he was limping exaggeratedly round with what looked like a ‘fuck up’ injury. His body language was screaming ‘take me off please’. I’m sure had Gooch not been coming back from an injury he’d have been on at half time. The second goal is on Hoever and to some degree Schumacher for not hooking him at half time. The thing that boils my piss about him is not that he’s ‘shit’, he’s not that bad, we’ve had way worse over the years, no it’s that he doesn’t appear to give a shit. Gooch is a much more limited player but will (or so it appears) run through a brick wall for his team mates. I'm not sure it's a lack of giving a shit. I suspect it's because he is mentally a but weak and not very football intelligent either. My Wolves mates (yes, unfortunately I have some of those) say it's his attitude. But to me on Saturday when things were going badly he looked fragile and lost. Yes fragile is probably a much better way of describing him.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 22, 2024 11:12:22 GMT
Need Guinea to get a draw against Senegal so Cameroon go out and we can get Tchamadeu back as soon as possible. With him and Gooch as our right back/ wing back options, including Leris at wingback if shit hits the fan, we can absolutely cancel his loan and free up a space we might need. Hoever is terrible and not only did he get beat every time he was 1v1, I honestly don’t remember a pass he made that wasn’t straight to a Birmingham player or straight out of play. Towards the end of his game before he was subbed I swear Cundle and Bae were ignoring his overlapping runs because there was no point giving the ball to him. I don’t think it’s as simple as just cancelling his loan. Both he and Wolves have to agree to it. We could of course make it clear that he’s unlikely to play once Juniors back so pointless sitting on our bench or not even in the squad (if we get another loan in). So it would make more sense for him to go back and find another loan. In reply to your comment about the game I’m amazed he came out for the second half. He’d been roasted by a 17 year old for 45 minutes and towards the end of the half he was limping exaggeratedly round with what looked like a ‘fuck up’ injury. His body language was screaming ‘take me off please’. I’m sure had Gooch not been coming back from an injury he’d have been on at half time. The second goal is on Hoever and to some degree Schumacher for not hooking him at half time. The thing that boils my piss about him is not that he’s ‘shit’, he’s not that bad, we’ve had way worse over the years, no it’s that he doesn’t appear to give a shit. Gooch is a much more limited player but will (or so it appears) run through a brick wall for his team mates. How about where the f was Mcnally once Hoever had been beaten for the second goal? Hoever wouldn't have had to attempt the challenge which resulted in the foul if Mcnally had been in position. I said the other day it's much easier for fans to criticise a player making mistakes trying to do his job but we often don't notice the ones who go missing and don't make obvious mistakes because they are never there. Obviously Mcnally bore the brunt of the criticism from the coaching team as he was hauled off soon afterwards and hopefully now Wilmot is fit to start. It's very rare for managers to voluntarily break up a centre half partnership during the game and ideally with the score line I'm sure we'd have preferred to bring on another of our 'creative?' players than a centre half.
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Post by chamberlain on Jan 22, 2024 11:20:02 GMT
I don’t think it’s as simple as just cancelling his loan. Both he and Wolves have to agree to it. We could of course make it clear that he’s unlikely to play once Juniors back so pointless sitting on our bench or not even in the squad (if we get another loan in). So it would make more sense for him to go back and find another loan. In reply to your comment about the game I’m amazed he came out for the second half. He’d been roasted by a 17 year old for 45 minutes and towards the end of the half he was limping exaggeratedly round with what looked like a ‘fuck up’ injury. His body language was screaming ‘take me off please’. I’m sure had Gooch not been coming back from an injury he’d have been on at half time. The second goal is on Hoever and to some degree Schumacher for not hooking him at half time. The thing that boils my piss about him is not that he’s ‘shit’, he’s not that bad, we’ve had way worse over the years, no it’s that he doesn’t appear to give a shit. Gooch is a much more limited player but will (or so it appears) run through a brick wall for his team mates. How about where the f was Mcnally once Hoever had been beaten for the second goal? Hoever wouldn't have had to attempt the challenge which resulted in the foul if Mcnally had been in position. I said the other day it's much easier for fans to criticise a player making mistakes trying to do his job but we often don't notice the ones who go missing and don't make obvious mistakes because they are never there. Obviously Mcnally bore the brunt of the criticism from the coaching team as he was hauled off soon afterwards and hopefully now Wilmot is fit to start. It's very rare for managers to voluntarily break up a centre half partnership during the game and ideally with the score line I'm sure we'd have preferred to bring on another of our 'creative?' players than a centre half. Neither are good enough
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Post by skip on Jan 22, 2024 11:39:12 GMT
I don’t think it’s as simple as just cancelling his loan. Both he and Wolves have to agree to it. We could of course make it clear that he’s unlikely to play once Juniors back so pointless sitting on our bench or not even in the squad (if we get another loan in). So it would make more sense for him to go back and find another loan. In reply to your comment about the game I’m amazed he came out for the second half. He’d been roasted by a 17 year old for 45 minutes and towards the end of the half he was limping exaggeratedly round with what looked like a ‘fuck up’ injury. His body language was screaming ‘take me off please’. I’m sure had Gooch not been coming back from an injury he’d have been on at half time. The second goal is on Hoever and to some degree Schumacher for not hooking him at half time. The thing that boils my piss about him is not that he’s ‘shit’, he’s not that bad, we’ve had way worse over the years, no it’s that he doesn’t appear to give a shit. Gooch is a much more limited player but will (or so it appears) run through a brick wall for his team mates. How about where the f was Mcnally once Hoever had been beaten for the second goal? Hoever wouldn't have had to attempt the challenge which resulted in the foul if Mcnally had been in position. I said the other day it's much easier for fans to criticise a player making mistakes trying to do his job but we often don't notice the ones who go missing and don't make obvious mistakes because they are never there. Obviously Mcnally bore the brunt of the criticism from the coaching team as he was hauled off soon afterwards and hopefully now Wilmot is fit to start. It's very rare for managers to voluntarily break up a centre half partnership during the game and ideally with the score line I'm sure we'd have preferred to bring on another of our 'creative?' players than a centre half. I have a fairly even handed mindset when it comes to why we lose a game - everyone could have done better, bad luck, the ref, formation or whatever else, but against Birmingham, Hoever and McNally lost us that game. Yes finishing opportunities at the other end, but those two were clearly the reason why we lost. And 100% Schumacher knows this.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 22, 2024 11:42:41 GMT
I don’t think it’s as simple as just cancelling his loan. Both he and Wolves have to agree to it. We could of course make it clear that he’s unlikely to play once Juniors back so pointless sitting on our bench or not even in the squad (if we get another loan in). So it would make more sense for him to go back and find another loan. In reply to your comment about the game I’m amazed he came out for the second half. He’d been roasted by a 17 year old for 45 minutes and towards the end of the half he was limping exaggeratedly round with what looked like a ‘fuck up’ injury. His body language was screaming ‘take me off please’. I’m sure had Gooch not been coming back from an injury he’d have been on at half time. The second goal is on Hoever and to some degree Schumacher for not hooking him at half time. The thing that boils my piss about him is not that he’s ‘shit’, he’s not that bad, we’ve had way worse over the years, no it’s that he doesn’t appear to give a shit. Gooch is a much more limited player but will (or so it appears) run through a brick wall for his team mates. How about where the f was Mcnally once Hoever had been beaten for the second goal? Hoever wouldn't have had to attempt the challenge which resulted in the foul if Mcnally had been in position. I said the other day it's much easier for fans to criticise a player making mistakes trying to do his job but we often don't notice the ones who go missing and don't make obvious mistakes because they are never there. Obviously Mcnally bore the brunt of the criticism from the coaching team as he was hauled off soon afterwards and hopefully now Wilmot is fit to start. It's very rare for managers to voluntarily break up a centre half partnership during the game and ideally with the score line I'm sure we'd have preferred to bring on another of our 'creative?' players than a centre half. Mate don't get me wrong I'm not singling Hoever out for blame McNally had a shocker as well. I'd have hooked them both at half time and I'd send them both back as soon as possible. But this thread's about Hoever not McNally. I've commented about McNally (and MMaee for that matter as well) elsewhere. And to be honest Vidigal was no better. It showed how poor he was when Leris (a very limited player) came on and immediately improved us tenfold. Suddenly we had attacking intent down our right. So it isn't fair to blame Hoever entirely but he happens to be the subject of this thread.
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Post by skip on Jan 22, 2024 11:50:13 GMT
How about where the f was Mcnally once Hoever had been beaten for the second goal? Hoever wouldn't have had to attempt the challenge which resulted in the foul if Mcnally had been in position. I said the other day it's much easier for fans to criticise a player making mistakes trying to do his job but we often don't notice the ones who go missing and don't make obvious mistakes because they are never there. Obviously Mcnally bore the brunt of the criticism from the coaching team as he was hauled off soon afterwards and hopefully now Wilmot is fit to start. It's very rare for managers to voluntarily break up a centre half partnership during the game and ideally with the score line I'm sure we'd have preferred to bring on another of our 'creative?' players than a centre half. Mate don't get me wrong I'm not singling Hoever out for blame McNally had a shocker as well. I'd have hooked them both at half time and I'd send them both back as soon as possible. But this thread's about Hoever not McNally. I've commented about McNally (and MMaee for that matter as well) elsewhere. And to be honest Vidigal was no better. It showed how poor he was when Leris (a very limited player) came on and immediately improved us tenfold. Suddenly we had attacking intent down our right. So it isn't fair to blame Hoever entirely but he happens to be the subject of this thread. In less diplomatic language than my reply above, me and the nipper were sitting three rows from the front, and witnessed Hoever have an absolute shocker. And my youngest (15), plays at a decent level, isn't one to shout at the pitch (like I did once or twice) but as the game wore on became more and more frustrated with what Hoever was doing wrong. Virtually every time he was involved in play basically.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 22, 2024 12:25:07 GMT
Mate don't get me wrong I'm not singling Hoever out for blame McNally had a shocker as well. I'd have hooked them both at half time and I'd send them both back as soon as possible. But this thread's about Hoever not McNally. I've commented about McNally (and MMaee for that matter as well) elsewhere. And to be honest Vidigal was no better. It showed how poor he was when Leris (a very limited player) came on and immediately improved us tenfold. Suddenly we had attacking intent down our right. So it isn't fair to blame Hoever entirely but he happens to be the subject of this thread. In less diplomatic language than my reply above, me and the nipper were sitting three rows from the front, and witnessed Hoever have an absolute shocker. And my youngest (15), plays at a decent level, isn't one to shout at the pitch (like I did once or twice) but as the game wore on became more and more frustrated with what Hoever was doing wrong. Virtually every time he was involved in play basically. Unfortunately so mate. I've been a big Hoever fan, especially last year, not so much this. And definitely not of late. I was also impressed with McNally early doors as well and thought we'd got a gem. But both McNally and Hoever have gone to complete ratshit. I wonder if with the way Schumacher wants to play, with a more mobile and forward pressing midfield, the defence, but McNally and Hoever especially, are being exposed due to the lack of a Pearson shaped comfort blanket. I always commented how often Pearson popped up at right back/right centre back to cover for Hoever when he'd bombed forward. Now they haven't got that cover their positional sense and poor defensive abilities are being exposed. That can't be the entire problem obviously because on Saturday neither of them could pass wind which is nothing to do with their defensive capability. It could just be they know they're off it and are just trying too hard to force it instead of playing it simple.
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