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Post by Marc01 on Jan 13, 2024 18:25:54 GMT
Not sure if posted already… Told to get on a coach after the match when all he wanted to do was go to his car… Good on him for striking back against a totally unprovoked assault. Looks like it justifies a similar ‘reverse prosecution’ theme as with the Post Office scandal. The instigator(s) throws weight around leading to a prosecution, when it’s actually that party that should be prosecuted. Just another variation on a developing state of lawlessness. Fortunately, exposed by picking on the wrong one to bully this time…. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-67949379 |
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Post by Davef on Jan 13, 2024 19:00:16 GMT
Same old Police forces. We were talking about this kind of behaviour 30+ years ago.
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Post by milton58 on Jan 13, 2024 19:08:46 GMT
Not sure if posted already… Told to get on a coach after the match when all he wanted to do was go to his car… Good on him for striking back against a totally unprovoked assault. Looks like it justifies a similar ‘reverse prosecution’ theme as with the Post Office scandal. The instigator(s) throws weight around leading to a prosecution, when it’s actually that party that should be prosecuted. Just another variation on a developing state of lawlessness. Fortunately, exposed by picking on the wrong one to bully this time…. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-67949379we did that to old bill prison time |
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 13, 2024 19:52:10 GMT
Same old Police forces. We were talking about this kind of behaviour 30+ years ago. It’s not all of them but there are definitely some idiots out there looking to rile up the crowd for whatever reason. They make their own jobs harder. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 13, 2024 20:18:30 GMT
“It’s just a few bad apples”
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Post by northstaffycher on Jan 14, 2024 2:20:34 GMT
If he’d had a Palestinian flag with him then there would have been no issue…perhaps we should all carry one (jokes).
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jan 14, 2024 6:12:01 GMT
If he’d had a Palestinian flag with him then there would have been no issue…perhaps we should all carry one (jokes). Exactly what I was thinking. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 14, 2024 7:07:57 GMT
All football fans are second class citizens in the eyes of the police, fair game to them.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jan 14, 2024 8:13:28 GMT
All football fans are second class citizens in the eyes of the police, fair game to them. It’s the entire working class now. |
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Post by andystokey on Jan 14, 2024 8:25:57 GMT
Had an experience at Walsall in the 80s with my mate watching a Preston game. The copper just stood in front of us all game, everytime we moved so we could watch the game he followed and blocked the view. Eventually we sat on the terrace hoping he would fuck off and he just kicked out at us.
Counting my trips to Villa and Birmingham in the mix and I'd say WM police in that period were always up for a fight with away fans. I'd go as far as to say a certain kind of copper chose the shifts.
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Post by swandog73 on Jan 14, 2024 8:28:37 GMT
Not sure if posted already… Told to get on a coach after the match when all he wanted to do was go to his car… Good on him for striking back against a totally unprovoked assault. Looks like it justifies a similar ‘reverse prosecution’ theme as with the Post Office scandal. The instigator(s) throws weight around leading to a prosecution, when it’s actually that party that should be prosecuted. Just another variation on a developing state of lawlessness. Fortunately, exposed by picking on the wrong one to bully this time…. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-67949379Remember this happened at Burnley years ago, police tried to throw us on a train and we'd drove to Burnley, literally at the train doors! |
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Post by daz1125 on Jan 15, 2024 13:33:43 GMT
WMids police have always been the same, we stopped going to Birmingham away they were that bad, just thugs looking to provoke a fight wherever they could, inside or outside the grounds, shameful police force picking on easy fodder.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 15, 2024 13:45:59 GMT
Different Millennium, same old nonsense from the same old Police Forces. Yet if someone was raped in the Birmingham area they wouldn't get off their arse and file the report under B. I always remember asking a WM copper "the best way back to the station (mid 80s)". The reply was "any more nonsense out of you and it's back of the van!".
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Post by callas12 on Jan 15, 2024 13:46:13 GMT
WMids police have always been the same, we stopped going to Birmingham away they were that bad, just thugs looking to provoke a fight wherever they could, inside or outside the grounds, shameful police force picking on easy fodder. Sadly Staffs & West Mids seem to interact with each other for policing matches now especially local matches. Have seen Staffs Police down at WBA before now. Wouldn't suprise me if the West Mids mob you refer to are up there at our place on Saturday as its Birmingham City in town 🙄 |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 15, 2024 13:56:11 GMT
All football fans are second class citizens in the eyes of the police, fair game to them. For balance, quite a few 'football fans' are second-class citizens. Absolute pond life. Conversely, there are quite a few scum bag coppers. No need to generalise on both accounts though |
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Post by melbournepotter on Jan 15, 2024 14:33:36 GMT
When I was touring around the Uk in early 90s I was getting to as many matches as I could. I went to see Derby v Man utd and was trying to get in. There was a police line preventing fans walking around the ground so I walked up to them and was chatting to an older officer standing next to a female officer and we were having a calm conversation as I plead my case to be allowed to go past. I was chatting normally and all seemed ok when an arm came from behind the older guy and pushed me in the chest. No need for it, we were both chatting, no threat or anything. It was extremely provocative and uncalled for by the police behind the older guy I was talking to. I eventually got past but thought it could have escalated quickly if someone with a shorter fuse than me had been in the same situation. Absolutely no need for it.
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Post by theglove on Jan 15, 2024 20:08:48 GMT
If he’d had a Palestinian flag with him then there would have been no issue…perhaps we should all carry one (jokes). Or a rainbow one. |
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Post by madnellie on Jan 15, 2024 21:42:11 GMT
If he’d had a Palestinian flag with him then there would have been no issue…perhaps we should all carry one (jokes). Or a rainbow one. Because gay people are never victims of police brutality... |
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 15, 2024 21:52:09 GMT
All football fans are second class citizens in the eyes of the police, fair game to them. For balance, quite a few 'football fans' are second-class citizens. Absolute pond life. Conversely, there are quite a few scum bag coppers. No need to generalise on both accounts though Sensible post alert. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 15, 2024 21:55:17 GMT
WMids police have always been the same, we stopped going to Birmingham away they were that bad, just thugs looking to provoke a fight wherever they could, inside or outside the grounds, shameful police force picking on easy fodder. Sadly Staffs & West Mids seem to interact with each other for policing matches now especially local matches. Have seen Staffs Police down at WBA before now. Wouldn't suprise me if the West Mids mob you refer to are up there at our place on Saturday as its Birmingham City in town 🙄 They always have mate. They have spotters and camera operators in order to point out the visiting trouble makers to the local Old Bill. It's not just West Midlands and Staffs. I've seen Staffs cops I know all over the country at away games. |
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Post by callas12 on Jan 15, 2024 22:04:12 GMT
Sadly Staffs & West Mids seem to interact with each other for policing matches now especially local matches. Have seen Staffs Police down at WBA before now. Wouldn't suprise me if the West Mids mob you refer to are up there at our place on Saturday as its Birmingham City in town 🙄 They always have mate. They have spotters and camera operators in order to point out the visiting trouble makers to the local Old Bill. It's not just West Midlands and Staffs. I've seen Staffs cops I know all over the country at away games. Nah mate I know the spotters always travel with teams around the country, but I'm referring to as them sending vans up for matches. Stoke v WBA last year had West Mids riot squads up outside the ground.. & Staffs did same at the Hawthorns aswell. Must be some West Midlands/Staffs mutual aid agreement. So basically if there's bother outside the ground it could be a copper from Wolverhampton or Birmingham clouting ya! |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 15, 2024 22:08:46 GMT
They always have mate. They have spotters and camera operators in order to point out the visiting trouble makers to the local Old Bill. It's not just West Midlands and Staffs. I've seen Staffs cops I know all over the country at away games. Nah mate I know the spotters always travel with teams around the country, but I'm referring to as them sending vans up for matches. Stoke v WBA last year had West Mids riot squads up outside the ground.. & Staffs did same at the Hawthorns aswell. Must be some West Midlands/Staffs mutual aid agreement. Never heard of that mate. I'll keep my eyes open now. I know Staffs draft in horses from other forces for some games. Or did do when we used to get crowds. |
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Post by callas12 on Jan 15, 2024 22:24:20 GMT
Nah mate I know the spotters always travel with teams around the country, but I'm referring to as them sending vans up for matches. Stoke v WBA last year had West Mids riot squads up outside the ground.. & Staffs did same at the Hawthorns aswell. Must be some West Midlands/Staffs mutual aid agreement. Never heard of that mate. I'll keep my eyes open now. I know Staffs draft in horses from other forces for some games. Or did do when we used to get crowds. Ha yeah guessing it's been a while since we had the horses at a Stoke match. I know West Mids Police hired them in from Lancashire & Thames Valley when they had that bother at Villa in the Europa Conference match just prior to Christmas. Yeah worth everyone keeping an eye out coz West Mids Knuckle Draggers wouldnt hesitate to be a bit bolshy on an away day so to speak, different area and all that! |
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Post by madnellie on Jan 16, 2024 0:59:11 GMT
Nah mate I know the spotters always travel with teams around the country, but I'm referring to as them sending vans up for matches. Stoke v WBA last year had West Mids riot squads up outside the ground.. & Staffs did same at the Hawthorns aswell. Must be some West Midlands/Staffs mutual aid agreement. Never heard of that mate. I'll keep my eyes open now. I know Staffs draft in horses from other forces for some games. Or did do when we used to get crowds. Can confirm that Callas is correct, it's a Mutual Aid arrangement. |
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Post by scfcrmagic on Jan 16, 2024 1:10:49 GMT
Nah mate I know the spotters always travel with teams around the country, but I'm referring to as them sending vans up for matches. Stoke v WBA last year had West Mids riot squads up outside the ground.. & Staffs did same at the Hawthorns aswell. Must be some West Midlands/Staffs mutual aid agreement. Never heard of that mate. I'll keep my eyes open now. I know Staffs draft in horses from other forces for some games. Or did do when we used to get crowds. The only reason Staffs have to draft in horses is because they disbanded the mounted police for Staffordshire when they made cutbacks. No doubt they used the money saved wisely …..probably not .. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 17, 2024 2:30:54 GMT
I've always thought treating fans like shite is counter productive as surely it makes their jobs harder. Have to say that the majority of police are not heavy handed though but football fans do seem to get treated differently than people in any other walk of life.
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 17, 2024 3:35:10 GMT
Used to go to a lot of hockey games here in the US.
Cops and fans were the same way there - it really DOES only take one knob-head either way to induce a riot.
Police & thieves in the street, fighting the nation with their guns & ammunition.
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