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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 7, 2024 20:05:16 GMT
Trying to workout who the 10 players were🤔 Not difficult to work out if you look at the squad who came down. My guess would be Imbula, Choupo Moting, Martins Indi, Wimmer, Shaqiri, Berahino, Wollscheid, N'diaye, Etebo, Bauer, possibly even Butland, Adam, Allen Crouch. To be fair to Rowett that group could make life at the training ground and even on the pitch very difficult. You might just say, "Get.rid then" but they were on good wages and not easy to move on.
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Post by lordb on Jan 7, 2024 20:06:40 GMT
That was the previous January when we ended up with Lambert Sorry, which O'Neill? Our very own O'Neill. He got the job 3rd time around, didn't he? Thought you meant Martin who turned us down the January Didn't know we after Michael the following summer
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 7, 2024 20:07:07 GMT
I think it raises an interesting question based off an interview with another former manager last week.
For those who haven't seen it, Lambert stated that he had been assured of his job by Coates Sr, but was then sacked when Coates Jr took the reins over the summer. Of course, we don't know how true that is, but you do wonder if we'd have been better off with Lambert?
Rowett did inherit a difficult situation, but he also made poor decisions on signings and players in his squad that we are still feeling the after-effects of. He came in with a limited amount of experience of what was required and spent a once-in-a-lifetime budget on a smattering of players who didn't at all suit what he wanted to do, although it turned out that what he wanted to do was play halfway-line possession ball. Every manager since has been shackled by those transfers and the long contracts handed out.
I'm not saying that Lambert would have performed any better, but perhaps it would have been better in the long run if the clean break took place in January with a new manager, rather than the summer?
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 7, 2024 20:15:33 GMT
I believe that the owners made a total mess of relegation. SS has a big job on his hands. losing 4-2 to Brighton isn't a disgrace (would have been 10 years ago) and it is noticeable that some Premier league clubs have been taken a little closer by lower opposition.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 7, 2024 21:32:20 GMT
Didn't help himself when one of his chief transfer targets was James McClean.... Talk about ambition!!! 🙄
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 7, 2024 21:37:48 GMT
In my eyes Rowett will always remain the most objectionable useless fuckwit to ever manage Stoke.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 7, 2024 22:55:12 GMT
He didn't just waste £50m on terrible signings, any sensible manager would see that Bojan Diouf Crouch should be an excellent tro for the Championship but he decided to not use them Cuco Martina and Ashley Williams were shocking signings too and they didn't cost What also fucked us over was Scholes decision to do away with win bonuses No wonder we had a record number of draws (22 was it?) Can't remember now but other than Potter who else was in the frame that summer? Agreed otherwise, but I thought Williams was decent. The lack of playing time for the three you mentioned was ridiculous. Didn't help himself when one of his chief transfer targets was James McClean.... Talk about ambition!!! 🙄 Despite the transfer fee being OTT, McClean was one of Rowett's better signings - IMO he would've been a better if not key player had Rowett somehow got us challenging near the top.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 7, 2024 22:58:17 GMT
Trying to workout who the 10 players were🤔 Not difficult to work out if you look at the squad who came down. My guess would be Imbula, Choupo Moting, Martins Indi, Wimmer, Shaqiri, Berahino, Wollscheid, N'diaye, Etebo, Bauer, possibly even Butland, Adam, Allen Crouch. To be fair to Rowett that group could make life at the training ground and even on the pitch very difficult. You might just say, "Get.rid then" but they were on good wages and not easy to move on. Butland and Allen especially seemed to want to right the wrong at the time and get us back up. There did seem to be an attitude that we'd walk the league though, which could've been part of the problem. Crouch probably knew he wasn't going to be a Premier League regular again, so I doubt he'd be bothered about playing in the Championship. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if any of the actual professional professional footballers wanted to leave the club given the toxicity and malaise that had developed around the place.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 7, 2024 23:10:39 GMT
Not difficult to work out if you look at the squad who came down. My guess would be Imbula, Choupo Moting, Martins Indi, Wimmer, Shaqiri, Berahino, Wollscheid, N'diaye, Etebo, Bauer, possibly even Butland, Adam, Allen Crouch. To be fair to Rowett that group could make life at the training ground and even on the pitch very difficult. You might just say, "Get.rid then" but they were on good wages and not easy to move on. Butland and Allen especially seemed to want to right the wrong at the time and get us back up. There did seem to be an attitude that we'd walk the league though, which could've been part of the problem. Crouch probably knew he wasn't going to be a Premier League regular again, so I doubt he'd be bothered about playing in the Championship. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if any of the actual professional professional footballers wanted to leave the club given the toxicity and malaise that had developed around the place. Agree but Allen was one of the players given a reinstatement of his Premier wage wasn't he? Perhaps that was a sweetener to get him to stay. As for Crouch I don't think he was too bothered about playing anywhere as his eyes were on his post football career. Both 'good pros' but you can see both their situations bringing disunity to the squad.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 7, 2024 23:16:15 GMT
He public named and threw players under the bus.
Clown and it looked like he was goading them to sack him towards the end
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 8, 2024 0:51:14 GMT
Rowett is a solid stable manager. He's simply, over cautious. A lot of the time that's OK but the mission statement was to go straight back up and he isn't the one to do that. Away at Aston in the December we were leading twice but didn't win. For the previous decade an away point anywhere was a decent result. But promotion requires cold blooded winning. And his methods aren't ruthless enough to deliver that.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 8, 2024 3:12:08 GMT
A twat of the highest order. You had everything to succeed here Gary and you absolutely blew it whilst setting us back years in the process.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 8, 2024 3:12:21 GMT
someone tell me the meaningful points because i don’t want to listen to the Bellends Sure, here’s a list of the meaningful points he expressed:
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 8, 2024 7:39:24 GMT
Someone else linked to the club, out of work and trying to stay relevant. Move along, nothing to see here.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 8, 2024 7:44:44 GMT
He didn't just waste £50m on terrible signings, any sensible manager would see that Bojan Diouf Crouch should be an excellent tro for the Championship but he decided to not use them Cuco Martina and Ashley Williams were shocking signings too and they didn't cost What also fucked us over was Scholes decision to do away with win bonuses No wonder we had a record number of draws (22 was it?) Can't remember now but other than Potter who else was in the frame that summer? Neil was in there too wasn’t he?
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 8, 2024 7:47:57 GMT
He didn't just waste £50m on terrible signings, any sensible manager would see that Bojan Diouf Crouch should be an excellent tro for the Championship but he decided to not use them Cuco Martina and Ashley Williams were shocking signings too and they didn't cost What also fucked us over was Scholes decision to do away with win bonuses No wonder we had a record number of draws (22 was it?) Can't remember now but other than Potter who else was in the frame that summer? Agreed otherwise, but I thought Williams was decent. The lack of playing time for the three you mentioned was ridiculous. Didn't help himself when one of his chief transfer targets was James McClean.... Talk about ambition!!! 🙄 Despite the transfer fee being OTT, McClean was one of Rowett's better signings - IMO he would've been a better if not key player had Rowett somehow got us challenging near the top. McClean would have been a better signing if he wasn’t a key player, constant pain in the arse (for us behind the scenes), and £6m quid. Could have got someone for 600k from the lower leagues to run up and down the left hand side. Smashing crosses into the oppo right back.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 8, 2024 7:49:31 GMT
Butland and Allen especially seemed to want to right the wrong at the time and get us back up. There did seem to be an attitude that we'd walk the league though, which could've been part of the problem. Crouch probably knew he wasn't going to be a Premier League regular again, so I doubt he'd be bothered about playing in the Championship. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if any of the actual professional professional footballers wanted to leave the club given the toxicity and malaise that had developed around the place. Agree but Allen was one of the players given a reinstatement of his Premier wage wasn't he? Perhaps that was a sweetener to get him to stay. As for Crouch I don't think he was too bothered about playing anywhere as his eyes were on his post football career. Both 'good pros' but you can see both their situations bringing disunity to the squad. I think giving Allen, Bauer and possibly Butland those contracts was a massive part of the problem. Will have created an enormous divide in the dressing room.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jan 8, 2024 10:24:58 GMT
Some players are always going to want out of any relegated club so it really shouldn’t have been a surprise to him or even an issue really.
The major issue is that he somehow completely fucked up the spending of £46 million on players and in the process put us back years.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 8, 2024 10:51:14 GMT
He didn't just waste £50m on terrible signings, any sensible manager would see that Bojan Diouf Crouch should be an excellent tro for the Championship but he decided to not use them Cuco Martina and Ashley Williams were shocking signings too and they didn't cost What also fucked us over was Scholes decision to do away with win bonuses No wonder we had a record number of draws (22 was it?) Can't remember now but other than Potter who else was in the frame that summer? Agreed otherwise, but I thought Williams was decent. The lack of playing time for the three you mentioned was ridiculous. Didn't help himself when one of his chief transfer targets was James McClean.... Talk about ambition!!! 🙄 Despite the transfer fee being OTT, McClean was one of Rowett's better signings - IMO he would've been a better if not key player had Rowett somehow got us challenging near the top. McClean being one of his better signings goes to show just how wrong he got it!!! £12M on Afobe..... £6M on Woods..... I forget how many millions he blew on Ince..... The bloke was throwing money at mediocre players, at best!!!
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 8, 2024 11:02:04 GMT
An uninspiring meh manager that we thought was going to be the man for the job. Looking back, it was an appalling hire. Somebody should have been sacked on this decision alone.
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Post by lordb on Jan 8, 2024 11:08:29 GMT
He didn't just waste £50m on terrible signings, any sensible manager would see that Bojan Diouf Crouch should be an excellent tro for the Championship but he decided to not use them Cuco Martina and Ashley Williams were shocking signings too and they didn't cost What also fucked us over was Scholes decision to do away with win bonuses No wonder we had a record number of draws (22 was it?) Can't remember now but other than Potter who else was in the frame that summer? Neil was in there too wasn’t he? I thought that was later when Jones went?
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Post by lordb on Jan 8, 2024 11:09:10 GMT
Agreed otherwise, but I thought Williams was decent. The lack of playing time for the three you mentioned was ridiculous. Despite the transfer fee being OTT, McClean was one of Rowett's better signings - IMO he would've been a better if not key player had Rowett somehow got us challenging near the top. McClean being one of his better signings goes to show just how wrong he got it!!! £12M on Afobe..... £6M on Woods..... I forget how many millions he blew on Ince..... The bloke was throwing money at mediocre players, at best!!! just the £10m on Ince
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 8, 2024 11:14:33 GMT
Neil was in there too wasn’t he? I thought that was later when Jones went? We wanted Neil every win down JC has been in charge.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 8, 2024 12:21:44 GMT
Sacked him 5 years to the day today.
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Post by jokker on Jan 8, 2024 12:24:53 GMT
I think it raises an interesting question based off an interview with another former manager last week. For those who haven't seen it, Lambert stated that he had been assured of his job by Coates Sr, but was then sacked when Coates Jr took the reins over the summer. Of course, we don't know how true that is, but you do wonder if we'd have been better off with Lambert? Rowett did inherit a difficult situation, but he also made poor decisions on signings and players in his squad that we are still feeling the after-effects of. He came in with a limited amount of experience of what was required and spent a once-in-a-lifetime budget on a smattering of players who didn't at all suit what he wanted to do, although it turned out that what he wanted to do was play halfway-line possession ball. Every manager since has been shackled by those transfers and the long contracts handed out. I'm not saying that Lambert would have performed any better, but perhaps it would have been better in the long run if the clean break took place in January with a new manager, rather than the summer? I think that Lambert made himself impossible to John Coates by repeatedly making demands that Coates was not yet ready to answer at the end of the relegated season. Lambert then gave Coates an ultimatum, which left the chairman with no other option but to sack him. If Lambert had been a little smarter and a little more patient would he have been Stoke's manager longer? I think if the two of them had fallen in line, then yes he would have stayed longer and maybe, just maybe, he would have avoided some of the pitfalls that the club went into instead with Rowett. But would he have brought us nearer to a promotion chasing team? Possibly, but not in the following season, where there were already players wanting to leave, others unable to adjust to the different demands in lower league football, and yet others who were no longer good enough but unwilling to leave because of their contracts.
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Post by jokker on Jan 8, 2024 12:34:03 GMT
Our very own O'Neill. He got the job 3rd time around, didn't he? Thought you meant Martin who turned us down the January Didn't know we after Michael the following summer Well there were a lot of names thrown about. To qualify my earlier post, the club probably just put a feeler out to him the first time, which he rejected as he didn''t want to leave NI. Second time more or less the same, which was rejected. Third time a compromise was worked out which allowed him to run two sides at the same time, which was a recipe for disaster but Covid intervened, NI games were called off, and he was able to focus more fully on scfc.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 8, 2024 16:08:32 GMT
So we paid £1.9 million compo for Rowett but he was leaving Derby anyway🤔
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 8, 2024 17:00:59 GMT
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 8, 2024 19:40:10 GMT
McClean being one of his better signings goes to show just how wrong he got it!!! £12M on Afobe..... £6M on Woods..... I forget how many millions he blew on Ince..... The bloke was throwing money at mediocre players, at best!!! just the £10m on Ince That's it.... I knew it was pretty steep, just not sure how steep!!! To be honest, I had it in mind that it was more around £7 or 8 Mil, so that's surprised me even more!!! 😳
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Post by canadianmoose on Jan 8, 2024 21:11:19 GMT
12m on Benik Afobe! You cant make it up. What a disaster.
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