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Post by bingbang on Jan 2, 2024 7:36:06 GMT
Why does every team now think they can replicate what Pep does at City ? That yesterday by Ipswich was scaring me and I'm a Stoke fan. They just didn't look comfortable at all.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2024 7:44:47 GMT
They’re second in the league.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jan 2, 2024 7:49:26 GMT
Why does every team now think they can replicate what Pep does at City ? That yesterday by Ipswich was scaring me and I'm a Stoke fan. They just didn't look comfortable at all. Give me klopps style any day over the pep style, was given the opportunity to see city v leipzig in the champions league this season, I found the constant passing forward,sideways,backwards boring, no players attempt to take any one on in a 1v1 they turn and pass to keep position. It didn't get me on the edge of my seat, or the city fans. The crowd was so quiet throughout i couldn't believe how quiet the crowd was. It may win them titles but it doesn't excite them to watch at all. Give me wingers and players running at defenders over peps style every time. |
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Post by bingbang on Jan 2, 2024 8:03:10 GMT
They’re second in the league. At the moment, still think they will be 10 points clear at the end. |
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Post by 16quidachuck on Jan 2, 2024 8:25:16 GMT
They’re second in the league. At the moment, still think they will be 10 points clear at the end. I think Bayern was referencing Ipswich's position |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2024 8:27:03 GMT
At the moment, still think they will be 10 points clear at the end. I think Bayern was referencing Ipswich's position Indeed and that it’s served them well. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 2, 2024 8:54:56 GMT
Why does every team now think they can replicate what Pep does at City ? That yesterday by Ipswich was scaring me and I'm a Stoke fan. They just didn't look comfortable at all. Give me klopps style any day over the pep style, was given the opportunity to see city v leipzig in the champions league this season, I found the constant passing forward,sideways,backwards boring, no players attempt to take any one on in a 1v1 they turn and pass to keep position. It didn't get me on the edge of my seat, or the city fans. The crowd was so quiet throughout i couldn't believe how quiet the crowd was. It may win them titles but it doesn't excite them to watch at all. Give me wingers and players running at defenders over peps style every time. Give me 5 trophies in a season. City are a phenomenal side, play amazing football and win cups. Pep is up there with the best managers of all time and has changed football in this country. |
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 2, 2024 9:02:16 GMT
How Ipswich's keeper has not made some high profile howler yet is beyond me.
They did move the ball well at times but at times they didnt half put themselves under unneccessary pressure.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 2, 2024 9:38:48 GMT
Man City are a great side.
The only thing that frustrates me about them is they often settle for a 2 or3 nil win instead of going for the jugular which plays havoc with my Fantasy League points.
But I guess that’s how they stay fresh for being at the business end of every tournament they enter…..
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 2, 2024 10:51:38 GMT
Man City are a great side. The only thing that frustrates me about them is they often settle for a 2 or3 nil win instead of going for the jugular which plays havoc with my Fantasy League points. But I guess that’s how they stay fresh for being at the business end of every tournament they enter….. Who b they choose to replace Guardiola will be the huge pivotal point. |
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Post by philb on Jan 2, 2024 10:53:50 GMT
Thought the whole thing was weird with their goalkeeper. He literally wasted about 5 minutes just standing with the ball at his feet.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jan 2, 2024 10:57:50 GMT
We certainly made them panic at the back when we pressed them for the first 20mins - shame we weren't fit enough to keep it up as it was pure panic stations on a couple of occasions.
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Post by datguy on Jan 2, 2024 11:03:17 GMT
I think Bayern was referencing Ipswich's position Indeed and that it’s served them well. It’s served them well all season. But more importantly, I didn’t see any moments beyond the first 10-15 minutes where they didn’t look comfortable playing it. In fact I thought it was very impressive they persisted with it after a few miss kicks. By the end of the 1st half they had the majority of the ball. McKenna has got an incredibly average squad playing very good football. Surprised Chaplin was subbed mind. |
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Post by sportsman on Jan 2, 2024 11:06:35 GMT
Made me laugh listening to one of their players on about it yesterday saying they heard the home crowd giving them stick doing it but it’s something they stick to doing and are used to away fans giving them stick
This is more the manager trying prove a point and see it as a pathway to himself getting a bigger job. It was comical watching them yesterday. They might be second by getting enough points early on but no way have they the players to play that way out the back when put under pressure.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 2, 2024 11:07:31 GMT
Man City are a great side. The only thing that frustrates me about them is they often settle for a 2 or3 nil win instead of going for the jugular which plays havoc with my Fantasy League points. But I guess that’s how they stay fresh for being at the business end of every tournament they enter….. Because of that, I'd still back them for the title this season even if they were 7 or 8 points behind at this stage. And they have De Bruyne to come back too. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jan 2, 2024 12:01:19 GMT
Give me klopps style any day over the pep style, was given the opportunity to see city v leipzig in the champions league this season, I found the constant passing forward,sideways,backwards boring, no players attempt to take any one on in a 1v1 they turn and pass to keep position. It didn't get me on the edge of my seat, or the city fans. The crowd was so quiet throughout i couldn't believe how quiet the crowd was. It may win them titles but it doesn't excite them to watch at all. Give me wingers and players running at defenders over peps style every time. Give me 5 trophies in a season. City are a phenomenal side, play amazing football and win cups. Pep is up there with the best managers of all time and has changed football in this country. Agree they are phenomenal at what they do, they win cups repeatedly, pep is one of the best, and yes many teams follow this style. But the man city crowd at the game I went to were bored, apart from the final pass which leads to a goal there was no excitement from the crowd.. only noise I could hear was constant conversations between fans around me... Grealish has had half his skill coached out of him, he rarely takes players on always now looking for the pass. Give me wingers who run at defenders. Players who run from midfield with the ball, football to get you off your seat. Yes man city are doing incredible with their style.. but its not for me. Football is exciting not a game of chess. |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jan 2, 2024 12:28:14 GMT
Tbh I think it was testament to SS tactics in regards to how poor we looked ipswich look.
Even down to 10 men we never looked like losing we were happy to let them have the ball out wide and ever swapping Bae and Vidigal wings in the first half helped us
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 2, 2024 12:36:33 GMT
I don’t think it’s surprising to be honest. Top clubs hoover up talent and mold them to play a certain way. They then get rid of the crap that can’t play that way very well, who end up in the Championship and lower leagues.
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Post by DentySCFC on Jan 2, 2024 12:46:54 GMT
They’re second in the league. Very true do think they’re starting to fizzle out now, still should make the play offs comfortably. |
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Post by Goonie on Jan 2, 2024 21:48:35 GMT
Is the Man City way about being owned by a foreign sovereign wealth fund with values that are not aligned with western modern ethics and generating over a hundred charges in relation to FFP which gives them an unfair advantage in a league playing with 'loaded dice'?
Or is it about nice nogger?
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Post by Praetorian on Jan 2, 2024 22:49:25 GMT
Made me laugh listening to one of their players on about it yesterday saying they heard the home crowd giving them stick doing it but it’s something they stick to doing and are used to away fans giving them stick This is more the manager trying prove a point and see it as a pathway to himself getting a bigger job. It was comical watching them yesterday. They might be second by getting enough points early on but no way have they the players to play that way out the back when put under pressure. Comical? They were equally brave and foolish, worked out for them a fair few times as well. I'd love for Stoke to incorporate some of the build-up elements Ipswich showed. Its just about coaching the players into knowing when to use them or to go more direct. |
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Post by jaybee on Jan 2, 2024 22:58:01 GMT
Give me klopps style any day over the pep style, was given the opportunity to see city v leipzig in the champions league this season, I found the constant passing forward,sideways,backwards boring, no players attempt to take any one on in a 1v1 they turn and pass to keep position. It didn't get me on the edge of my seat, or the city fans. The crowd was so quiet throughout i couldn't believe how quiet the crowd was. It may win them titles but it doesn't excite them to watch at all. Give me wingers and players running at defenders over peps style every time. This /|\ |
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Post by thisisouryear on Jan 2, 2024 23:40:49 GMT
Why does every team now think they can replicate what Pep does at City ? That yesterday by Ipswich was scaring me and I'm a Stoke fan. They just didn't look comfortable at all. Give me klopps style any day over the pep style, was given the opportunity to see city v leipzig in the champions league this season, I found the constant passing forward,sideways,backwards boring, no players attempt to take any one on in a 1v1 they turn and pass to keep position. It didn't get me on the edge of my seat, or the city fans. The crowd was so quiet throughout i couldn't believe how quiet the crowd was. It may win them titles but it doesn't excite them to watch at all. Give me wingers and players running at defenders over peps style every time. I like both, I love attacking football. Klopp is an amazing manager to keep getting Liverpool in contention for the title the way he does. He's the closest thing to Alex Ferguson there is in my eyes. Klopp could turn a mid table team into title contenders I'm not sure Pep could but he is good at creating an unbelievable team when the money is there. Klopp is the best manager in the world for me solely because I think he could make any team champions. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 3, 2024 0:09:40 GMT
Thought when we pressured them at the back and made their keeper panic we were at our most dangerous. Unfortunately we didn't do it enough and didn't punish them for it.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 3, 2024 0:14:03 GMT
Give me klopps style any day over the pep style, was given the opportunity to see city v leipzig in the champions league this season, I found the constant passing forward,sideways,backwards boring, no players attempt to take any one on in a 1v1 they turn and pass to keep position. It didn't get me on the edge of my seat, or the city fans. The crowd was so quiet throughout i couldn't believe how quiet the crowd was. It may win them titles but it doesn't excite them to watch at all. Give me wingers and players running at defenders over peps style every time. Give me 5 trophies in a season. City are a phenomenal side, play amazing football and win cups. Pep is up there with the best managers of all time and has changed football in this country. And Europe, if not the world. He was the first to use inverted full backs way back in his Barcelona days. And he's succeeded in every job he's had, winning trophies everywhere he's been. EDIT I like the way Klopp gets Liverpool to play but I can't stand his managerial style. He bullies officials and has no dignity on the touchline. Give me Pep any day. Rarely do you see him phased by anything although he is not so detached that he doesn't get animated with players and the fourth official. |
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Post by jzime on Jan 3, 2024 1:55:19 GMT
Football comes in cycles. It is as simple as that. Most teams play a similar style of football today for two reasons: a) it does actually work, b) it is in fashion.
25-30 years ago, virtually everybody played 4-4-2 with pacey wingers playing as out-and-out wide men and some variant of 'big man', 'little man' up front.
At the end of the 2000s, start of the 2010s, 4-2-3-1 was in vogue. Controlling possession and space in midfield was becoming more important, so 4-4-2 fell out of fashion because the extra man in midfield in 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 was too beneficial not to use. Everybody wanted a tricky little number 10 to play behind the striker; David Silva, Mata, Ozil, Coutinho, Oscar, etc, etc.
Spain won three international tournaments in a row essentially playing the tiki-taka style Pep pioneered.
In the last decade football has become much more physical. Players are fitter than ever before. Those tricky number 10s I mentioned above are also now expected to contribute to the press - think about how much deeper players De Bruyne or Ødegaard play for their teams now compared to attacking midfielders of yesteryear. Pressing as soon as you lose the ball has always been a thing, but modern conditioning and fitness regimes mean that maintaining that intensity for 90 mins is actually possible now. Best way to beat the press is the never lose the ball to begin with, and let the opposition tire themselves out chasing your short passing game. That's basically the style that predominant today. Everybody plays it because, broadly, it works.
I'm sure at some point in next 15 years, a few really bright coaches will find a way to counter this modern style of football. And I'm sure that after a few high-profile upsets at the top level of the game because of it, managers lower down the pyramid will begin to imitate it too. Until eventually so many teams play it that it will become the new de facto orthodoxy. The, one day, the coaches of the 2050s will be figuring out how to beat that, and the cycle will go on forever.
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Post by moon on Jan 3, 2024 8:25:24 GMT
Is the Man City way about being owned by a foreign sovereign wealth fund with values that are not aligned with western modern ethics and generating over a hundred charges in relation to FFP which gives them an unfair advantage in a league playing with 'loaded dice'? Or is it about nice nogger?
There is a huge difference when it comes to the football being played though, which for Man City I think is mostly down to Pep, his predecessors had put together a decent squad so a complete rebuild wasn't needed from day one but he's transformed that club. I think we're lucky that Pep is managing in England, and Klopp too, new standards are being set every year and the England team benefit from it due to the type of football that is being played in the Premier League.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Jan 3, 2024 8:35:18 GMT
Why does every team now think they can replicate what Pep does at City ? That yesterday by Ipswich was scaring me and I'm a Stoke fan. They just didn't look comfortable at all. I completely get the 'draw' element and breaking lines but it is incredibly risky if the team doesn't have the correct personnel. As others have alluded to, so far, it has served Ipswich well. They were fresh into the league and had bags of confidence. When teams are low in confidence and poor players do it, it's a disaster waiting to happen. It takes a skillful calm keeper and back four and doing because Man City do it and it works is crazy. You end up with a hybrid which we saw with Neil. |
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Post by richardparker on Jan 3, 2024 22:11:33 GMT
Playing possession football for its own sake has no purpose if it doesn't have an end result.
Just look at us for the past five or so years, ... literally going backwards for much of the time.
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Post by scfcnicholas on Jan 5, 2024 4:02:47 GMT
Is the Man City way about being owned by a foreign sovereign wealth fund with values that are not aligned with western modern ethics and generating over a hundred charges in relation to FFP which gives them an unfair advantage in a league playing with 'loaded dice'? Or is it about nice nogger? In this scenario who cares and what’s the alternative - other cunt bent clubs like Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea winning it otherwise. Doesn’t affect us. They’re all wankers up to no good. |
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