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Post by Veritas on Jan 1, 2024 19:36:54 GMT
After the freekick is given the ball is out of play? The handball may have taken place before the whistle had been blown though, so the ball is still in play. Just watched the replay, as he hits the ground Thompson waves an imaginary card at the ref. That is a booking nowadays, the frustrating thing is it's not always given as such.
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Post by superjw on Jan 1, 2024 19:37:27 GMT
It’s getting to the point where this needs to be brought in now, more to get realtime clarity on the decision making of the officials and to be used as an avenue to rightly challenge the decision making where appropriate. Especially big decisions and yellow/red card offences that can ultimately change the outcome of the game.
Thing is, it’s not a question of the rules themselves, more the inconsistent approach in their application. For example the JT card waving incident almost 100% happened in other matches unpunished, we have all seen it before. Referees and officials have been untouchable and their mistakes get no real punishment - simply knowing your decision making will be listened to in real time is incentive enough to ensure one is properly applying the rules in a consistent manner.
It works perfectly well in other sports, with today’s technology any objection to this from the officials is really down to them knowing they don’t consistently apply the rules of the game.
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 1, 2024 19:56:17 GMT
After the freekick is given the ball is out of play? The handball may have taken place before the whistle had been blown though, so the ball is still in play. If it had that would have been the event he had blown the whistle for making the ball out of play.but he blew for the "foul "on Thompson making the ball dead .
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 1, 2024 20:16:37 GMT
What’s the difference between a player waving an imaginary card and a player saying to a ref …"come on ref surely a card for that". Both can just be ignored as a decent ref would not be swayed by such action or words. waving a card is now an offence , well so i read somewhere Makes the ref look poor though. If a player waves a red card why doesn’t the ref just ignore it. If a ref's decision is swayed by a player waving the imaginary card then that man should not be a referee imo.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 1, 2024 20:23:00 GMT
waving a card is now an offence , well so i read somewhere Makes the ref look poor though. If a player waves a red card why doesn’t the ref just ignore it. If a ref's decision is swayed by a player waving the imaginary card then that man should not be a referee imo. Alternately, they could adopt (and stick) to a zero tolerance policy, where the only person who can complain to a referee is the captain. Given that it’s a faster moving game than rugby, perhaps it could be the captain and vice-captain. Anyone else gets a straight yellow. There are so many of these basic, common-sense rules that could be adopted in football.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 20:32:16 GMT
I never saw him wave an imaginary card, but if he did then I have no issue with him getting his 2nd yellow.
The only issue is that the refs aren't consistent enough with these decisions.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 1, 2024 20:36:25 GMT
He definitely waved an imaginary yellow card moronic from Thompson, ref had no choice However this type of offence should be dealt with by sin bins Save red cards for the really nasty stuff How come lying on the ground until your assailant is booked because the referee thinks you're badly hurt a la Morsey isn't a yellow card for trying to get an opponent booked? The first yellow was ridiculous too, a loose ball, two players equally committed to winning it, one gets there a split second before the other who then gets booked for dangerous play. Either you expect players not to challenge for loose balls or you accept that the laws of physics mean that momentum is going to carry one into the other. Both players were challenging without regard for the safety of each other or themselves so both should be booked, or neither irrespective of who wins the ball.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 1, 2024 20:37:53 GMT
I never saw him wave an imaginary card, but if he did then I have no issue with him getting his 2nd yellow. The only issue is that the refs aren't consistent enough with these decisions. Don't think he waved it...just pointed and asked They never did that of course
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 20:41:14 GMT
I never saw him wave an imaginary card, but if he did then I have no issue with him getting his 2nd yellow. The only issue is that the refs aren't consistent enough with these decisions. Don't think he waved it...just pointed and asked They never did that of course I watched the game at home on a stream so had the benefit of slow motion replay, and never saw an imaginary card waved mate.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 1, 2024 20:45:40 GMT
Don't think he waved it...just pointed and asked They never did that of course I watched the game at home on a stream so had the benefit of slow motion replay, and never saw an imaginary card waved mate. I agree he didn't but pointed to the ref re the incident but nowhere like what they did re his own booking They we like the Vanessa Feltz recreation society crowding around the last profiterole
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Post by whatsashig on Jan 1, 2024 20:53:08 GMT
Footballers should take some responsibility for how hard it is for refs to make fair judgment in a game. Don’t give them excuses. There is certainly a lack of respect for refs from players and fans. All the talk of use of technology in other sports is perhaps correct but can’t think of a moment a Wimbledon where the crowd are changing the umpire is ******. In the last two days have heard past footballers advocating fouling. ‘He had time to foul him there’. Or ‘he should have fouled him there’. Tom much buying or believing in fouls is frustrating. That includes our new forward line, I wish they’d crack on and then put as much effort into staying on the feet as they do in the belief they deserve a foul. If nothing else youl get a more convincing foul and maybe a booking. Today was strange and can only think it was dissent, if so our player is at fault. Wind the opposition up all you like and get them be a victim of themselves , but keep discipline of your own actions. Lots of games must have 20~30 if not more ‘stupid’ fouls. Players spoil the game nowadays more than refs I think.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 1, 2024 20:59:10 GMT
It’s plain and simple. Whether he waved an imaginary card or whatever is a moot point. The referee simply couldn’t wait to do something that made him the star of the show. An absolute cunt. It was an obscene decision which ruined the game. The way he smirked at Thompson was unprofessional and he should be pulled up by his superiors
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 1, 2024 21:00:38 GMT
What’s the difference between a player waving an imaginary card and a player saying to a ref …"come on ref surely a card for that". Both can just be ignored as a decent ref would not be swayed by such action or words. No difference both are bookable offences are they not? So why weren't their players booked? I agree in principle though, the ref decides
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 1, 2024 21:01:50 GMT
It’s plain and simple. Whether he waved an imaginary card or whatever is a moot point. The referee simply couldn’t wait to do something that made him the star of the show. An absolute cunt. It was an obscene decision which ruined the game. The way he smirked at Thompson was unprofessional and he should be pulled up by his superiors Kind of agree with that which is worrying when I saw who posted it Could be the scoops of rum talking though
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Post by telfordstokie on Jan 1, 2024 21:06:07 GMT
I never saw him wave an imaginary card, but if he did then I have no issue with him getting his 2nd yellow. The only issue is that the refs aren't consistent enough with these decisions. Mad that players shouting and screaming in the ref’s face results in nothing game after game but his half-second of card-waving gets him sent off. Having said that, he was stupid to take the risk on a yellow given the rules on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 21:12:12 GMT
I never saw him wave an imaginary card, but if he did then I have no issue with him getting his 2nd yellow. The only issue is that the refs aren't consistent enough with these decisions. Mad that players shouting and screaming in the ref’s face results in nothing game after game but his half-second of card-waving gets him sent off. Having said that, he was stupid to take the risk on a yellow given the rules on it. I agree mate, it's the inconsistency of it all that's the problem. If all refs had the balls to book players for dissent, diving, card waving etc, it would be stamped out within a season or so.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 1, 2024 21:17:55 GMT
Mad that players shouting and screaming in the ref’s face results in nothing game after game but his half-second of card-waving gets him sent off. Having said that, he was stupid to take the risk on a yellow given the rules on it. I agree mate, it's the inconsistency of it all that's the problem. If all refs had the balls to book players for dissent, diving, card waving etc, it would be stamped out within a season or so. Noticed Sterling booked twice in 3 games now. About time
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 1, 2024 21:35:52 GMT
Did he really wave an imaginary yellow? It seems an odd thing to want a yellow for, it wasn’t like someone poleaxed him. He clearly did brandish an imaginary card at the referee, and that is now a yellow card offence. A second yellow seems an inappropriate punishment but completely unprofessional of Thompson to do it. He let the side down. It’s a bloody ridiculous thing to be a yellow card anyway, I’ve never got the logic of it. As long as it’s not aggressive or harassing in nature I don’t get how it’s any different from asking for a foul, it’s just an appeal to the referee
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2024 22:03:00 GMT
He definitely waved an imaginary yellow card moronic from Thompson, ref had no choice However this type of offence should be dealt with by sin bins Save red cards for the really nasty stuff How come lying on the ground until your assailant is booked because the referee thinks you're badly hurt a la Morsey isn't a yellow card for trying to get an opponent booked? The first yellow was ridiculous too, a loose ball, two players equally committed to winning it, one gets there a split second before the other who then gets booked for dangerous play. Either you expect players not to challenge for loose balls or you accept that the laws of physics mean that momentum is going to carry one into the other. Both players were challenging without regard for the safety of each other or themselves so both should be booked, or neither irrespective of who wins the ball. Again that's the two wrongs making a right argument
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 2, 2024 0:26:06 GMT
How come lying on the ground until your assailant is booked because the referee thinks you're badly hurt a la Morsey isn't a yellow card for trying to get an opponent booked? The first yellow was ridiculous too, a loose ball, two players equally committed to winning it, one gets there a split second before the other who then gets booked for dangerous play. Either you expect players not to challenge for loose balls or you accept that the laws of physics mean that momentum is going to carry one into the other. Both players were challenging without regard for the safety of each other or themselves so both should be booked, or neither irrespective of who wins the ball. Again that's the two wrongs making a right argument Not sure I understand why you say that. Morsey feigned injury in the clash with Thompson purely to ensure that Thompson was booked. Isn't that as bad as waving a card? Is it ever booked? If you are going to book a player for waving a card fine, but book players for all the ways in which they try to influence a referees decision and far more sly. I hate the way players pretend to be badly hurt. If the ref falls for the play acting then human nature is for him to punish more severely. It's inconsistency not two wrongs. I guess that is the part of my comment you are referring to?
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