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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 30, 2023 17:18:53 GMT
It's his fault England didn't win the 1990 world cup. And he appears to be a dick head. So yes, he deserves his honors
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Post by nickhfc on Dec 30, 2023 18:05:02 GMT
Nothing for Lou Macari or saint Peter Unbelievable considering some of the dross that got awards Lou Macari is particularly deserving of recognition. Peter Coates would get something if a Labour government was in power. Someone like Lou would have to be nominated www.gov.uk/honours/nominate-someone-in-the-uk
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 30, 2023 18:09:40 GMT
It's his fault England didn't win the 1990 world cup. And he appears to be a dick head. So yes, he deserves his honors To be fair it wasn't If you win 1 game over 90 mins your not going to win it
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Post by greenhoff74 on Dec 30, 2023 18:58:36 GMT
Heβs a Tory supporter, so not really surprising! Prominent Brexit fan.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 30, 2023 19:41:51 GMT
McGovern was the worst midfielder in any league, a duckfooted disaster of backpassing! 2 league titles and 2 European Cups Wasn't spectacular but a bit harsh. His autobiography is ok but there is a great insight on cloughie when forest in their first European cup campaign were drawn against holders Liverpool. His team talk was basically βLiverpool are only in it because they won it last year. You are here because you are the league championsβ If only that was the case still
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 30, 2023 21:58:15 GMT
Heβs a Tory supporter, so not really surprising! Prominent Brexit fan. That will be why heβs getting an award from UKIP now then rather than before. BM
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Post by lordb on Dec 30, 2023 22:12:23 GMT
It's his fault England didn't win the 1990 world cup. And he appears to be a dick head. So yes, he deserves his honors To be fair it wasn't If you win 1 game over 90 mins your not going to win it If someone else was in goal we would have won that match he was the weak link Would have fancied them to win the final 1990 was a memorable World Cup full of drama but it was the lowest scoring World Cup, negative spoilers like Argentina and Ireland did well 1994 saw more open football overall but a terrible final with Brazil being really dull winners
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 30, 2023 22:13:06 GMT
To be fair it wasn't If you win 1 game over 90 mins your not going to win it If someone else was in goal we would have won that match he was the weak link Would have fancied them to win the final 1990 was a memorable World Cup full of drama but it was the lowest scoring World Cup, negative spoilers like Argentina and Ireland did well 1994 saw more open football overall but a terrible final with Brazil being really dull winners He kept England in the game v Cameroon to be fair
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Post by lordb on Dec 30, 2023 22:16:22 GMT
If someone else was in goal we would have won that match he was the weak link Would have fancied them to win the final 1990 was a memorable World Cup full of drama but it was the lowest scoring World Cup, negative spoilers like Argentina and Ireland did well 1994 saw more open football overall but a terrible final with Brazil being really dull winners He kept England in the game v Cameroon to be fair Gascoigne and Lineker did that Shilton was world class in his time but he should have been replaced after Euro 88
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 30, 2023 22:27:26 GMT
He kept England in the game v Cameroon to be fair Gascoigne and Lineker did that Shilton was world class in his time but he should have been replaced after Euro 88 Shilton was way past his best in 1990. Looking back, his lack of agility at that stage was laughably bad. We didnβt have an acceptable alternative at the time though. Woods and Beasant were average at best, and Seaman hadnβt yet matured into the world class keeper we saw in Euro 96.
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Post by lordb on Dec 30, 2023 22:33:52 GMT
Gascoigne and Lineker did that Shilton was world class in his time but he should have been replaced after Euro 88 Shilton was way past his best in 1990. Looking back, his lack of agility at that stage was laughably bad. We didnβt have an acceptable alternative at the time though. Woods and Beasant were average at best, and Seaman hadnβt yet matured into the world class keeper we saw in Euro 96. They were average but still better than Shilton at that time Beasant was a big character, could save penalties too, would have played him You don't have to 11 world class players, if the top quality isn't there then go with character It's why Pickford is England's number one now, he's probably on a par with about 3 others but has shown tournament tempremant over and again Long time now since England had a top keeper really
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 30, 2023 22:47:29 GMT
Shilton was way past his best in 1990. Looking back, his lack of agility at that stage was laughably bad. We didnβt have an acceptable alternative at the time though. Woods and Beasant were average at best, and Seaman hadnβt yet matured into the world class keeper we saw in Euro 96. They were average but still better than Shilton at that time Beasant was a big character, could save penalties too, would have played him You don't have to 11 world class players, if the top quality isn't there then go with character It's why Pickford is England's number one now, he's probably on a par with about 3 others but has shown tournament tempremant over and again Long time now since England had a top keeper really Seaman was the last top quality keeper we had. Never really rated James and others like Rob Green, Scott Carson, and Ben Foster were barely good enough to play in the Premier League.
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Post by maine on Dec 30, 2023 23:25:13 GMT
I recall an away match in Sunderland where he was a total liability. Rose coloured glasses and ancient memory maybe, but I thought more highly of John Farmer to be honest.
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Post by kjpt140v on Dec 30, 2023 23:32:18 GMT
I wonder why now, has he done anything recently of note for charity etc, or is it for achievements in football? Too young to see him play but have never warmed to him as an individual in interviews, or from stories from former pros on podcasts. Granted the latter may influence my thoughts. Services to gambling companies, and shagging on racecourses. Tina, Tina!
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 30, 2023 23:49:43 GMT
He kept England in the game v Cameroon to be fair Gascoigne and Lineker did that Shilton was world class in his time but he should have been replaced after Euro 88 Gascoigne! He was chasing shadows and conceded a penalty. Played one killer ball though. Shilton's saves kept England in it before they equalised
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Post by riproaringagain on Dec 31, 2023 0:14:22 GMT
How Lou has not been recognised is beyond belief. Abbie Brown what the fuck is going on, unless her remit was to take the city to new lows she has failed miserably
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 31, 2023 0:17:47 GMT
How Lou has not been recognised is beyond belief. Abbie Brown what the fuck is going on, unless her remit was to take the city to new lows she has failed miserably It needs complete reform. This honours list is about rewarding friends and fuck all to do with contribution to society. BM
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Post by NassauDave on Dec 31, 2023 2:59:57 GMT
Lou Macari is a true hero. A man of the people.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 31, 2023 10:30:08 GMT
Fair play to Shilts for doing some good. Dour fella though and terrible penalty record. Decent keeper overall though.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 31, 2023 10:32:10 GMT
Heβs a Tory supporter, so not really surprising! You had to go and bloody do it didn't you π bloody politics π
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Post by lordb on Dec 31, 2023 10:58:53 GMT
Gascoigne and Lineker did that Shilton was world class in his time but he should have been replaced after Euro 88 Gascoigne! He was chasing shadows and conceded a penalty. Played one killer ball though. Shilton's saves kept England in it before they equalised That one killer ball was enough a better pass you will not see That's the beauty of quality players, can have a stinker and then win the game with one moment of class
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 31, 2023 11:00:07 GMT
Fair play to Shilts for doing some good. Dour fella though and terrible penalty record. Decent keeper overall though. Yep, think he is just dour in the way he comes over. One of the great keepers of the modern era so don't see the problem
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 31, 2023 11:07:10 GMT
Fair play to Shilts for doing some good. Dour fella though and terrible penalty record. Decent keeper overall though. Yep, think he is just dour in the way he comes over. One of the great keepers of the modern era so don't see the problem I think part of the issue is he's not the sharpest tool in the old tool box. I might be wrong on that but he comes across a bit simple. But yes defo one of England's best keepers. No Gordon Banks though. Maybe on a par with big dave seaman. Always liked Clemence myself although I have zero stats to back that up. Just my recollection.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 31, 2023 11:17:52 GMT
Yep, think he is just dour in the way he comes over. One of the great keepers of the modern era so don't see the problem I think part of the issue is he's not the sharpest tool in the old tool box. I might be wrong on that but he comes across a bit simple. But yes defo one of England's best keepers. No Gordon Banks though. Maybe on a par with big dave seaman. Always liked Clemence myself although I have zero stats to back that up. Just my recollection. Shilton was the first of a new breed for me, something of a perfectionist. Before games , watching him as a kid he would mark his area out and be able to judge shots going wide etc which no other keeper did. Remember him getting booked for it once before kick off which was a first time seeing at a game. Clemence was a magnificent keeper as well. Watching some of those Forest victories in Europe, was them V Shilton at times. The Hamburg final and the 0-1 away in the semi. He was great at slowing games down as well. Up there with Zoff for me as all time great of that era and beyond.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 31, 2023 11:24:08 GMT
I think part of the issue is he's not the sharpest tool in the old tool box. I might be wrong on that but he comes across a bit simple. But yes defo one of England's best keepers. No Gordon Banks though. Maybe on a par with big dave seaman. Always liked Clemence myself although I have zero stats to back that up. Just my recollection. Shilton was the first of a new breed for me, something of a perfectionist. Before games , watching him as a kid he would mark his area out and be able to judge shots going wide etc which no other keeper did. Remember him getting booked for it once before kick off which was a first time seeing at a game. Clemence was a magnificent keeper as well. Watching some of those Forest victories in Europe, was them V Shilton at times. The Hamburg final and the 0-1 away in the semi. He was great at slowing games down as well. Up there with Zoff for me as all time great of that era and beyond. Which begs the question as to why are his penalty stats so poor comparatively. Or is it just highlighted given the limelight he was operating in. And in all fairness I'm just going off the bluster from various pundits I've heard over the years. Not done my own research.....dangerous that π π€£
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 31, 2023 11:31:18 GMT
Shilton was the first of a new breed for me, something of a perfectionist. Before games , watching him as a kid he would mark his area out and be able to judge shots going wide etc which no other keeper did. Remember him getting booked for it once before kick off which was a first time seeing at a game. Clemence was a magnificent keeper as well. Watching some of those Forest victories in Europe, was them V Shilton at times. The Hamburg final and the 0-1 away in the semi. He was great at slowing games down as well. Up there with Zoff for me as all time great of that era and beyond. Which begs the question as to why are his penalty stats so poor comparatively. Or is it just highlighted given the limelight he was operating in. And in all fairness I'm just going off the bluster from various pundits I've heard over the years. Not done my own research.....dangerous that π π€£ My Dad used to comment that the more erratic keepers saved pens, certainly back then and think to an extent he had a good point. Some crazy S American keeper who looked like a Morlock that launched himself would often come out in top over say a Zoff or Shilton The Germany game, no keeper saves those but doesn't help when your own side are a bit rubbish at pens. Who lets David Batty take a pen for instance V a keeper like Argentinas ? I used to think that Shilts tried to judge where it was going, would guess right often but at that level, top players don't hit them that close to you. Needed to gamble more but wasn't in his make up
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Post by nott1 on Dec 31, 2023 18:58:18 GMT
Nothing for Lou Macari or saint Peter Unbelievable considering some of the dross that got awards Lou Macari is particularly deserving of recognition. Peter Coates would get something if a Labour government was in power. Next year then!
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Post by professorplump on Dec 31, 2023 20:06:19 GMT
Heβs a Tory supporter, so not really surprising! I daresay when Labour come to power, Gary Lineker and Gary Neville will be rewarded.
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Post by lordb on Dec 31, 2023 20:36:33 GMT
Heβs a Tory supporter, so not really surprising! I daresay when Labour come to power, Gary Lineker and Gary Neville will be rewarded.Β Probably The honours system needs binning
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Post by Gods on Dec 31, 2023 21:08:03 GMT
I say this every time and I know I'm in a minority of one but Shilton was excellent for us.
Brian Clough came in for him and 12 months later he was a European Cup winner with Forest and we had Roger fricking Jones in goal π
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