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Post by hughjarse on Dec 29, 2023 21:43:27 GMT
Just saying..
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Post by willieeetmiout on Dec 29, 2023 21:47:05 GMT
True but the performance after they went down to 10 men was the worst I've seen since about 1986
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Post by nonameface on Dec 29, 2023 21:54:53 GMT
Generally we've been more positive and tonight Schumacher will have learned alot.
* Wesley, Baker, Johnson were way off the pace when they came on
* Junho's decision making is getting better each game, he needs to play centrally and close to the forward. Shooting practice wouldn't go a miss
* Vidigal can get lost when he's taking touches too wide. He needs to get in the box not hug the touchline
* Mmaee has a great touch, he needs to see the ball more and have more players around him.
* Jareds long term signings which weren't Neils former players look very good value as a general.
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Post by hamsta2 on Dec 29, 2023 21:55:03 GMT
True but the performance after they went down to 10 men was the worst I've seen since about 1986 I’ve seen a lot worse. A lot, lot worse. |
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Post by Veritas on Dec 29, 2023 21:55:39 GMT
True but the performance after they went down to 10 men was the worst I've seen since about 1986 No it wasn't |
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Post by nonameface on Dec 29, 2023 21:55:55 GMT
True but the performance after they went down to 10 men was the worst I've seen since about 1986 I’ve seen a lot worse. A lot, lot worse. We've all seen worse this season. |
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Post by pavel on Dec 29, 2023 21:57:02 GMT
True but the performance after they went down to 10 men was the worst I've seen since about 1986 Really? .. and are you going to post it on every thread. |
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Post by willieeetmiout on Dec 29, 2023 21:58:20 GMT
True but the performance after they went down to 10 men was the worst I've seen since about 1986 Really? .. and are you going to post it on every thread. No mate. Just 2. Would take me ages do it on every thread wouldnt it. |
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 29, 2023 22:00:31 GMT
True but the performance after they went down to 10 men was the worst I've seen since about 1986 No it wasn't Not sure about worse since 1986, but anyone who thought it wasn’t genuinely awful is quite frankly away with the fairies. We were Woeful second half. |
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Post by hughjarse on Dec 29, 2023 22:03:01 GMT
Generally we've been more positive and tonight Schumacher will have learned alot. * Wesley, Baker, Johnson were way off the pace when they came on * Junho's decision making is getting better each game, he needs to play centrally and close to the forward. Shooting practice wouldn't go a miss * Vidigal can get lost when he's taking touches too wide. He needs to get in the box not hug the touchline * Mmaee has a great touch, he needs to see the ball more and have more players around him. * Jareds long term signings which weren't Neils former players look very good value as a general. My OP was obviously tongue in cheek. The next 10 games will determine who out of the current playing staff can live up to SS’s standards |
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 29, 2023 22:20:36 GMT
Nice habit to get into. If we can beat Ipswich then excellent stuff.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Dec 29, 2023 22:53:46 GMT
True but the performance after they went down to 10 men was the worst I've seen since about 1986 Utter crap mate - you I mean, not the performance- with comments like that. The whole situation feels so much fresher and positive (I guess you were watching on a stream but those of us who were there witnessed an engaged crowd who were positive, a team who were positive, and a vibe that is so much better). Yes the sending off seemed to galvanise them more than help us, but really your comments are total crap. |
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Post by willieeetmiout on Dec 29, 2023 22:56:59 GMT
True but the performance after they went down to 10 men was the worst I've seen since about 1986 Utter crap mate - you I mean, not the performance- with comments like that. The whole situation feels so much fresher and positive (I guess you were watching on a stream but those of us who were there witnessed an engaged crowd who were positive, a team who were positive, and a vibe that is so much better). Yes the sending off seemed to galvanise them more than help us, but really your comments are total crap. You're obviously easily pleased. Bet you loved NJs chest beating |
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Post by Linx on Dec 29, 2023 23:01:23 GMT
Nice habit to get into. If we can beat Ipswich then excellent stuff. Ironically, we’re going into the game with better form over the last five games than Ipswich. Just ignore the league positions 😉 |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Dec 29, 2023 23:06:18 GMT
Utter crap mate - you I mean, not the performance- with comments like that. The whole situation feels so much fresher and positive (I guess you were watching on a stream but those of us who were there witnessed an engaged crowd who were positive, a team who were positive, and a vibe that is so much better). Yes the sending off seemed to galvanise them more than help us, but really your comments are total crap. You're obviously easily pleased. Bet you loved NJs chest beating Oh dear. |
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Post by Glory Hunter on Dec 29, 2023 23:32:10 GMT
Utter crap mate - you I mean, not the performance- with comments like that. The whole situation feels so much fresher and positive (I guess you were watching on a stream but those of us who were there witnessed an engaged crowd who were positive, a team who were positive, and a vibe that is so much better). Yes the sending off seemed to galvanise them more than help us, but really your comments are total crap. You're obviously easily pleased. Bet you loved NJs chest beating Like I said, your comments are total crap. |
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Post by stokiedan17 on Dec 29, 2023 23:41:51 GMT
Don’t know what you lot were watching but I thought some of our play and passing was brilliant. The only thing we didn’t do was score against 10 men. Which isn’t as easy as it seems. And I think we have all experienced a 10 man team digging in and playing better than the 11. We’ve done it ourselves plenty of times …
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 29, 2023 23:50:26 GMT
One win in five, too...
I don't think we should get too carried away. It will take time for Schumacher to turn things around and it's not fair if expectations now skyrocket after the last three games. It's lovely to have a stroke of luck for a change, but we could easily have come out of this period with no points. Millwall missed the sort of chance that we've conceded on a regular basis, which could have given them the winner. Birmingham beat us on xG - on another day, we could have lost 2-1. Watford again beat us on xG.
The change in mindset has been palpable, but Schumacher had had very little time to work with the players in depth and we still have many of the same problems that haunted Neil. Our defence concede too many. We are light in the full back areas, with Gooch also out and Tchamadeu off to Africa. Mmaee's last two games have been a nice positive but we can't just run him into the ground over this hectic spell and we've seen again tonight that we sorely lack alternatives.
I'm not being negative, just grounded. There will be downs to go with the ups, but we are hopefully moving in the right direction.
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 29, 2023 23:56:33 GMT
You're obviously easily pleased. Bet you loved NJs chest beating Like I said, your comments are total crap. Sorry to sound rude but can I just say that your post, suggesting that he can’t hold a view point due to not travelling to Watford on a midweek night after Christmas sums you up as an author. The Mrs and I took your book to Symi when we went away some years ago (both ST holders), we managed around 5 or 6 pages each before slinging it on the basis that it was written by a right attention seeking bore. Awful, difficult read. If I knew we had to be at Watford a few days after Christmas to hold an opinion because Brian says so then I wouldn’t have bothered travelling to those 160 odd away grounds across the world supporting Stoke over the past 35 years. Silly me. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 29, 2023 23:58:13 GMT
One win in five, too... I don't think we should get too carried away. It will take time for Schumacher to turn things around and it's not fair if expectations now skyrocket after the last three games. It's lovely to have a stroke of luck for a change, but we could easily have come out of this period with no points. Millwall missed the sort of chance that we've conceded on a regular basis, which could have given them the winner. Birmingham beat us on xG - on another day, we could have lost 2-1. Watford again beat us on xG. The change in mindset has been palpable, but Schumacher had had very little time to work with the players in depth and we still have many of the same problems that haunted Neil. Our defence concede too many. We are light in the full back areas, with Gooch also out and Tchamadeu off to Africa. Mmaee's last two games have been a nice positive but we can't just run him into the ground over this hectic spell and we've seen again tonight that we sorely lack alternatives. I'm not being negative, just grounded. There will be downs to go with the ups, but we are hopefully moving in the right direction. This. We’ve done better so far but it’s been nothing special. Let’s see where we’re at in a few weeks. |
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Post by chiprockets on Dec 29, 2023 23:59:33 GMT
One win in five, too... I don't think we should get too carried away. It will take time for Schumacher to turn things around and it's not fair if expectations now skyrocket after the last three games. It's lovely to have a stroke of luck for a change, but we could easily have come out of this period with no points. Millwall missed the sort of chance that we've conceded on a regular basis, which could have given them the winner. Birmingham beat us on xG - on another day, we could have lost 2-1. Watford again beat us on xG. The change in mindset has been palpable, but Schumacher had had very little time to work with the players in depth and we still have many of the same problems that haunted Neil. Our defence concede too many. We are light in the full back areas, with Gooch also out and Tchamadeu off to Africa. Mmaee's last two games have been a nice positive but we can't just run him into the ground over this hectic spell and we've seen again tonight that we sorely lack alternatives. I'm not being negative, just grounded. There will be downs to go with the ups, but we are hopefully moving in the right direction. with reference to xG, it needs context not just ultimate totals. that said over a 10,000 games its a great predictor. a team 3-0 down will ultimately create more chances, obvious to as why. depending on where you get xG from, the Livermore goal was 0.99 as he headed it from 0 yards, in all likelihood it was going in without a touch. proper and true predictive models will factor this into predictions and probabilities. |
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Post by cheshirepotter on Dec 30, 2023 0:25:21 GMT
True but the performance after they went down to 10 men was the worst I've seen since about 1986 We got a point, and unbeaten in 5 |
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 30, 2023 11:14:49 GMT
Don’t know what you lot were watching but I thought some of our play and passing was brilliant. The only thing we didn’t do was score against 10 men. Which isn’t as easy as it seems. And I think we have all experienced a 10 man team digging in and playing better than the 11. We’ve done it ourselves plenty of times … As someone who gets to very few games nowadays, I will say I’d forgotten how jarringly different the reaction on here can seem compared to the impression you get in the ground.. I came away thinking we have some genuine attacking talent in our team, some of the close passing moves in the second half did pick them apart, we just couldn’t find the final touch/ball/finish. Notably the Junho chance. We were ragged and sloppy at times as well but it was quite thrilling and I think everyone came away happy to have seen a battling performance. The players were spent at the end and gutted not to have got the winner. I’ve seen Stoke play a fair number of second halves in my time and many if not most were worse than that one. |
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