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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 29, 2023 14:24:36 GMT
I love this bloke. He just gets us as fans and what needs to improve in the team. He’s as down to earth as they come, his attitude will get him tons of good will with the fans. Great appointment Stoke… finally. The test will come when we get a couple of hammerings. The signs are positive but we’re in the honeymoon period right now. He’s done everything right so far though. MoN started off pretty carefree and we attacked. Leeds battered us and from there you could see it changed him and he shat himself. Schumacher’s whole philosophy seems to be attack. And he has to stick to that. He has to persevere with it and believe it’s right. Jones was the worst for not sticking to his principles, his formation etc. Schumey has to stick to it. Be adaptable of course but always stick to that principle.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 29, 2023 14:41:35 GMT
The test will come when we get a couple of hammerings. The signs are positive but we’re in the honeymoon period right now. He’s done everything right so far though. MoN started off pretty carefree and we attacked. Leeds battered us and from there you could see it changed him and he shat himself. Schumacher’s whole philosophy seems to be attack. And he has to stick to that. He has to persevere with it and believe it’s right. Jones was the worst for not sticking to his principles, his formation etc. Schumey has to stick to it. Be adaptable of course but always stick to that principle. He definitely seems different. But give him a couple of months in the SCFC mincer and let’s see how positive he is then!!! I’m cautiously optimistic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 29, 2023 14:42:59 GMT
MoN started off pretty carefree and we attacked. Leeds battered us and from there you could see it changed him and he shat himself. Schumacher’s whole philosophy seems to be attack. And he has to stick to that. He has to persevere with it and believe it’s right. Jones was the worst for not sticking to his principles, his formation etc. Schumey has to stick to it. Be adaptable of course but always stick to that principle. He definitely seems different. But give him a couple of months in the SCFC mincer and let’s see how positive he is then!!! I’m cautiously optimistic. Same. I just really hope he holds his nerve when he needs to.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 29, 2023 14:55:15 GMT
Seems a really good bloke, but we could conceivably be looking at 0 points from 6 after Monday, given the opposition and injuries we appear to have racked up again.
Started very well, now needs to make sure the next two aren’t both defeats.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 29, 2023 15:19:25 GMT
He definitely seems different. But give him a couple of months in the SCFC mincer and let’s see how positive he is then!!! I’m cautiously optimistic. Same. I just really hope he holds his nerve when he needs to. Having that defined way of playing is crucial for me. Sure you’re not going to beat every side play but being consistent makes things easier. I get the feeling that Neil was too focused on what the opposition were doing and providing an overload of information with too many changes that just over complicated things.
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Post by mattface on Dec 29, 2023 15:50:35 GMT
Seems a really good bloke, but we could conceivably be looking at 0 points from 6 after Monday, given the opposition and injuries we appear to have racked up again. Started very well, now needs to make sure the next two aren’t both defeats. We have 2 tough games yes, but for once i a long while I reckon both will be looking to not get beat. The players apoear to be playing for the manager. Which is a massive step from what I saw at QPR and Plymouth. We should be confident going into both.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 29, 2023 16:01:29 GMT
A different interview but on the clubs YouTube, how refreshing is it to know the rough timescales of injuries and what the injuries actually are, instead of the arrogant 'guess who' bullshit we had to put up with from Neil? It's great knowing that Gooch and Laurent will be back in a few weeks and it's good to know that one has a calf injury and one has an ankle strain. For the first time in a long time I feel genuinely connected to the club and players I support each week, and even though we're nowhere near it, feel part of their rehab and wellbeing. It might not seem a big thing to most, but to me it's a massive step change. I thought the same thing. No smoke, mirrors and bullshit from this gaffer.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 29, 2023 16:56:14 GMT
That's a great listen. I'm trying my best not to get carried away. I brought into Nathan Jones massively based on his words. I also believed in Neil, and most of the others before him, based on interviews and words etc. At least it sounds like he'll let the handbrake off. Rooting for the guy. I'm really not sure how anyone could buy into Alex Neil based on his words. Instantly he came across as aloof and arrogant, an arrogance not befitting at all of his achievements in the game. He was impossible to warm to and even more impossible to trust. I guess the players felt the same. I instantly couldn't stand Rowett. I instantly couldn't stand Neil. I disliked Jones immensely after about 3 weeks but I did like MON. I was sad to see him wilt under the strain the way that he did and in time, I think he'll be viewed very favourably for the job he did in difficult circumstances. The only manager we've had that didn't get given the keys to the sweetshop and he was desperately unlucky with injuries to key players at key times. I undoubtedly endorse your view of MON. I think we were a nailed on certainty of relegation with Jones, even more so than we were with Hughes' last season, and with Hughes squad we still had some very talented players. Jones left us with a very poor squad and could do nothing with them. MON managed to get them playing well enough to climb out of the relegation zone. Something I think very few managers would have achieved. Unfortunately as you say he was stuck with the same players, some didn't want to know, others got older or lost the plot, others injured, and no money to replace with any quality. MON also brought young players into the side from the academy which was virtually ignored by every manager since the academy was set up, including Pulis and Hughes.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 29, 2023 17:02:37 GMT
That's a great listen. I'm trying my best not to get carried away. I brought into Nathan Jones massively based on his words. I also believed in Neil, and most of the others before him, based on interviews and words etc. At least it sounds like he'll let the handbrake off. Rooting for the guy. I'm really not sure how anyone could buy into Alex Neil based on his words. Instantly he came across as aloof and arrogant, an arrogance not befitting at all of his achievements in the game. He was impossible to warm to and even more impossible to trust. I guess the players felt the same. I instantly couldn't stand Rowett. I instantly couldn't stand Neil. I disliked Jones immensely after about 3 weeks but I did like MON. I was sad to see him wilt under the strain the way that he did and in time, I think he'll be viewed very favourably for the job he did in difficult circumstances. The only manager we've had that didn't get given the keys to the sweetshop and he was desperately unlucky with injuries to key players at key times. Maybe your dislike of AN has clouded your thinking. He wasn’t given the keys to any sweet shop. The club took a bigger profit on player trading on his watch than on MON’s. Can’t say I particularly liked him either but facts are facts.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 29, 2023 17:05:41 GMT
Seems a really good bloke, but we could conceivably be looking at 0 points from 6 after Monday, given the opposition and injuries we appear to have racked up again. Started very well, now needs to make sure the next two aren’t both defeats. I really hope his mentality is the polar opposite. We’ve seen enough scared of losing football and it’s got us nowhere.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 29, 2023 17:24:42 GMT
I'm really not sure how anyone could buy into Alex Neil based on his words. Instantly he came across as aloof and arrogant, an arrogance not befitting at all of his achievements in the game. He was impossible to warm to and even more impossible to trust. I guess the players felt the same. I instantly couldn't stand Rowett. I instantly couldn't stand Neil. I disliked Jones immensely after about 3 weeks but I did like MON. I was sad to see him wilt under the strain the way that he did and in time, I think he'll be viewed very favourably for the job he did in difficult circumstances. The only manager we've had that didn't get given the keys to the sweetshop and he was desperately unlucky with injuries to key players at key times. Maybe your dislike of AN has clouded your thinking. He wasn’t given the keys to any sweet shop. The club took a bigger profit on player trading on his watch than on MON’s. Can’t say I particularly liked him either but facts are facts. I stand to be corrected but under MON we sold Collins and spent very little, a few £million. Last season we sold Souttar and in the summer spent circa £15 m on a huge list of players from all over the world. If I have sympathy with Neil , it would be the extreme difficulty of building a team from scratch with a bunch of strangers. If success doesn't come quickly confidence is lost by the players in themselves and the boss. Please correct me if I'm wrong on transfers.
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Post by Linx on Dec 29, 2023 17:43:41 GMT
You get the feeling with a lot of managers that they’re scared of losing. Schumacher isn’t one of them. As long as we stick with him when he does lose.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 29, 2023 18:05:58 GMT
Maybe your dislike of AN has clouded your thinking. He wasn’t given the keys to any sweet shop. The club took a bigger profit on player trading on his watch than on MON’s. Can’t say I particularly liked him either but facts are facts. I stand to be corrected but under MON we sold Collins and spent very little, a few £million. Last season we sold Souttar and in the summer spent circa £15 m on a huge list of players from all over the world. If I have sympathy with Neil , it would be the extreme difficulty of building a team from scratch with a bunch of strangers. If success doesn't come quickly confidence is lost by the players in themselves and the boss. Please correct me if I'm wrong on transfers. We took a larger profit on player trading under AN than MON. Neither regime received more funds than were bought in. Simple you’re either putting additional resources in or you’re taking resources away as was the case in both men’s tenure but if you’d rather have it another way you could sell your house and buy a really nice caravan, unless you have a really nasty house resources in or resources out?
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Post by thornestein on Dec 29, 2023 18:09:56 GMT
I stand to be corrected but under MON we sold Collins and spent very little, a few £million. Last season we sold Souttar and in the summer spent circa £15 m on a huge list of players from all over the world. If I have sympathy with Neil , it would be the extreme difficulty of building a team from scratch with a bunch of strangers. If success doesn't come quickly confidence is lost by the players in themselves and the boss. Please correct me if I'm wrong on transfers. We took a larger profit on player trading under AN than MON. Neither regime received more funds than were bought in. Simple you’re either putting additional resources in or you’re taking resources away as was the case in both men’s tenure but if you’d rather have it another way you could sell your house and buy a really nice caravan, unless you have a really nasty house resources in or resources out? there’s no way you credit AN for the Souttar sale , he hardly played for him and was negotiated by the club , and as for profit transfer wise correct but overall with wages and signing on fees it wiped it out , the only reason we avoided a ffp penalty
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Post by lordb on Dec 29, 2023 18:14:47 GMT
I stand to be corrected but under MON we sold Collins and spent very little, a few £million. Last season we sold Souttar and in the summer spent circa £15 m on a huge list of players from all over the world. If I have sympathy with Neil , it would be the extreme difficulty of building a team from scratch with a bunch of strangers. If success doesn't come quickly confidence is lost by the players in themselves and the boss. Please correct me if I'm wrong on transfers. We took a larger profit on player trading under AN than MON. Neither regime received more funds than were bought in. Simple you’re either putting additional resources in or you’re taking resources away as was the case in both men’s tenure but if you’d rather have it another way you could sell your house and buy a really nice caravan, unless you have a really nasty house resources in or resources out? Purely looking at transfer fees is only part of the picture Surely given the volume of signings money spent on agents fees and signing fees will have been high
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Post by thornestein on Dec 29, 2023 18:16:22 GMT
We took a larger profit on player trading under AN than MON. Neither regime received more funds than were bought in. Simple you’re either putting additional resources in or you’re taking resources away as was the case in both men’s tenure but if you’d rather have it another way you could sell your house and buy a really nice caravan, unless you have a really nasty house resources in or resources out? Purely looking at transfer fees is only part of the picture Surely given the volume of signings money spent on agents fees and signing fees will have been high most fans don’t see this
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 29, 2023 18:20:29 GMT
I stand to be corrected but under MON we sold Collins and spent very little, a few £million. Last season we sold Souttar and in the summer spent circa £15 m on a huge list of players from all over the world. If I have sympathy with Neil , it would be the extreme difficulty of building a team from scratch with a bunch of strangers. If success doesn't come quickly confidence is lost by the players in themselves and the boss. Please correct me if I'm wrong on transfers. We took a larger profit on player trading under AN than MON. Neither regime received more funds than were bought in. Simple you’re either putting additional resources in or you’re taking resources away as was the case in both men’s tenure but if you’d rather have it another way you could sell your house and buy a really nice caravan, unless you have a really nasty house resources in or resources out? Thanks, I'm not sure I fully understand that, but the thought struck me that MON deserves a lot of credit for developing Collins and Souttar into saleable assets, plus bringing Campbell back into the team and buying Brown. He certainly deserves more credit than he gets, not that I'm saying he should have stayed, as he clearly was not succeeding. Time will tell what Neil has achieved in terms of building assets. He too had to go as he was not succeeding.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 29, 2023 18:25:06 GMT
We took a larger profit on player trading under AN than MON. Neither regime received more funds than were bought in. Simple you’re either putting additional resources in or you’re taking resources away as was the case in both men’s tenure but if you’d rather have it another way you could sell your house and buy a really nice caravan, unless you have a really nasty house resources in or resources out? Purely looking at transfer fees is only part of the picture Surely given the volume of signings money spent on agents fees and signing fees will have been high They're the running costs of owning a football club. I'm no fan of the man but the fact is we received £7/10M more in transfer fees under his tenure than we spent on signings. There was never a right to expect progress. When you take resources out of a process you have no right to expect to get more out of it. You can hope as we all did but expectation? Given we were told that the FFP situation had eased was it not reasonable to expect net investment?
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Post by lordb on Dec 29, 2023 18:27:40 GMT
Purely looking at transfer fees is only part of the picture Surely given the volume of signings money spent on agents fees and signing fees will have been high They're the running costs of owning a football club. I'm no fan of the man but the fact is we received £7/10M more in transfer fees under his tenure than we spent on signings. There was never a right to expect progress. When you take resources out of a process you have no right to expect to get more out of it. You can hope as we all did but expectation? Given we were told that the FFP situation had eased was it not reasonable to expect net investment? I'd suggest a big chunk of that £7mto£10m has been spent on those other fees at the very least Would help if football transfers were transparent but they are not
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Post by thornestein on Dec 29, 2023 18:27:42 GMT
Purely looking at transfer fees is only part of the picture Surely given the volume of signings money spent on agents fees and signing fees will have been high They're the running costs of owning a football club. I'm no fan of the man but the fact is we received £7/10M more in transfer fees under his tenure than we spent on signings. There was never a right to expect progress. When you take resources out of a process you have no right to expect to get more out of it. You can hope as we all did but expectation? Given we were told that the FFP situation had eased was it not reasonable to expect net investment? them fees were more a coincidence than Neil’s doing
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Post by baconburger on Dec 29, 2023 18:35:00 GMT
We took a larger profit on player trading under AN than MON. Neither regime received more funds than were bought in. Simple you’re either putting additional resources in or you’re taking resources away as was the case in both men’s tenure but if you’d rather have it another way you could sell your house and buy a really nice caravan, unless you have a really nasty house resources in or resources out? Thanks, I'm not sure I fully understand that, but the thought struck me that MON deserves a lot of credit for developing Collins and Souttar into saleable assets, plus bringing Campbell back into the team and buying Brown. He certainly deserves more credit than he gets, not that I'm saying he should have stayed, as he clearly was not succeeding. Time will tell what Neil has achieved in terms of building assets. He too had to go as he was not succeeding. Collins was always going to be a saleable asset MON did very little in the way of development, RB? Joey Barton did far more to develop Souttar than MON. We haven't actually gone anywhere with Campbell he's not worth more now than he was then. Yes Brown he bought him in and polished him the best you can a turd and we made a nice profit I believe, credit for the Tymon fee too (I think it was too cheap). We can see potential future profits on players signed under AN's tenure too, not that he improved any of them. I was glad when both went the football had become horribly dour and unambitious, I just don't get the notion that one was given a war chest and the other had nothing to spend because the figures don't lie it's just not true.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 29, 2023 18:41:45 GMT
They're the running costs of owning a football club. I'm no fan of the man but the fact is we received £7/10M more in transfer fees under his tenure than we spent on signings. There was never a right to expect progress. When you take resources out of a process you have no right to expect to get more out of it. You can hope as we all did but expectation? Given we were told that the FFP situation had eased was it not reasonable to expect net investment? I'd suggest a big chunk of that £7mto£10m has been spent on those other fees at the very least Would help if football transfers were transparent but they are not So the football club has no running costs? Player trading is player trading. The £7/10M even allows for reported fees, yet we know they weren't what was paid upfront. If you want to have the wool pulled over your eyes be my guest but we just haven't made any net investment in the playing squad since Jones. Doesn't cause me a problem at all but I'm just not prepared to be gullible. I've actually no problem with us being a development club provided I enjoy the football I couldn't give a toss.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 29, 2023 18:43:31 GMT
They're the running costs of owning a football club. I'm no fan of the man but the fact is we received £7/10M more in transfer fees under his tenure than we spent on signings. There was never a right to expect progress. When you take resources out of a process you have no right to expect to get more out of it. You can hope as we all did but expectation? Given we were told that the FFP situation had eased was it not reasonable to expect net investment? them fees were more a coincidence than Neil’s doing The bulk of the incoming fees were bought in under Hughes. Glad you're prepared to give credit where it's due.
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Post by thornestein on Dec 29, 2023 18:45:59 GMT
them fees were more a coincidence than Neil’s doing The bulk of the incoming fees were bought in under Hughes. Glad you're prepared to give credit where it's due. tbh the credit goes to the club , we did well on them deals if you look at Collins and Souttar now
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Post by iancransonsknees on Dec 29, 2023 18:50:07 GMT
The test will come when we get a couple of hammerings. The signs are positive but we’re in the honeymoon period right now. He’s done everything right so far though. MoN started off pretty carefree and we attacked. Leeds battered us and from there you could see it changed him and he shat himself. Schumacher’s whole philosophy seems to be attack. And he has to stick to that. He has to persevere with it and believe it’s right. Jones was the worst for not sticking to his principles, his formation etc. Schumey has to stick to it. Be adaptable of course but always stick to that principle. We need to play behind closed doors like COVID again.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 29, 2023 18:53:29 GMT
The bulk of the incoming fees were bought in under Hughes. Glad you're prepared to give credit where it's due. tbh the credit goes to the club , we did well on them deals if you look at Collins and Souttar now Well who do you think I'm going to credit if we're selling Jun-ho or Junior for £20M in a few years AN? I think there's a fair chance he'd have destroyed both. You can only judge a managers transfer dealings when the players he's bought in leave. I think we've been doing ok on that front for quite some time under both MON & AN it's been a different profile of player than previously and personally I'd go even further in that direction.
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Post by StokieDJC on Dec 29, 2023 18:57:50 GMT
I’ve booked us Jollees for the promotion party.
Tickets will be free entry invite only.
Confirmed guest speakers
Winston Palacios Dave Kitson Dave Brammer
Live performance from season 1 of Pop Idol - Rick Waller!
Free buffet and £20 unlimited bar.
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Post by bojanwonder on Dec 29, 2023 19:12:19 GMT
I’ve booked us Jollees for the promotion party. Tickets will be free entry invite only. Confirmed guest speakers Winston Palacios Dave Kitson Dave Brammer Live performance from season 1 of Pop Idol - Rick Waller! Free buffet and £20 unlimited bar. If you'd said Michelle McManus I'd have been up for it!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 30, 2023 0:53:11 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 30, 2023 1:20:41 GMT
The test will come when we get a couple of hammerings. The signs are positive but we’re in the honeymoon period right now. He’s done everything right so far though. MoN started off pretty carefree and we attacked. Leeds battered us and from there you could see it changed him and he shat himself. Schumacher’s whole philosophy seems to be attack. And he has to stick to that. He has to persevere with it and believe it’s right. Jones was the worst for not sticking to his principles, his formation etc. Schumey has to stick to it. Be adaptable of course but always stick to that principle.
Yup.
Best bit for me in the interview was ... "I want my teams to run towards the opposition goal!"
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