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Post by BristolMick on Dec 28, 2023 13:24:14 GMT
According to this report released today from the political archives. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67832071If that had happened it is difficult to see how by now Rangers and Celtic wouldn't also be EPL BPL clubs. BM |
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 28, 2023 13:38:49 GMT
I think as like theScots the FA of Ireland would not be to happy about it.
Logically it would make a lot of sense to have the two Glasgow teams and a team from Belfast but idoubt it would ever happen.
Also it would be against all the traditions of the game to just invent and build a club and place them immediately in our top flight
There is no reason why a club from N Ireland, if they are good enough,should not apply tojoin the lower tiers of the English pyramid and work their way up over time. Not sure if the NI FA would e happy but why not.
No comment about Blair as I would not give him the of day.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 28, 2023 15:49:44 GMT
I think as like theScots the FA of Ireland would not be to happy about it. Logically it would make a lot of sense to have the two Glasgow teams and a team from Belfast but idoubt it would ever happen. Also it would be against all the traditions of the game to just invent and build a club and place them immediately in our top flight There is no reason why a club from N Ireland, if they are good enough,should not apply tojoin the lower tiers of the English pyramid and work their way up over time. Not sure if the NI FA would e happy but why not. No comment about Blair as I would not give him the of day. I don’t see the reason why a club that isn’t in England should join the English league. It’s not the British Championship, for example. It’s already annoying that Swansea, Cardiff and Wrexham play in the pyramid. It’s a national league, if their Nations don’t enjoy football enough, that’s their problem. If they ever were to do it, they should have to go right from the very bottom of the pyramid. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 28, 2023 15:57:48 GMT
Belfast Celtic were a great club in their day with a sad ending
Wimbledon tried to move to Dublin of course under mad Sam
Great book on Belfast Celtic's history available
The catalyst for the end of the club came on 26 December 1948, at the traditional Boxing Day league game between Linfield and Celtic at Windsor Park. Celtic were winning for most of the match but Linfield equalised in the final minute. Ecstatic Linfield fans invaded the pitch and began attacking several Celtic players, including centre-forward Jimmy Jones, who suffered a broken leg and was kicked unconscious, and Robin Lawlor and Kevin McAlinden, who were both seriously hurt.[7][8]
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Post by lordb on Dec 28, 2023 16:11:39 GMT
I think as like theScots the FA of Ireland would not be to happy about it. Logically it would make a lot of sense to have the two Glasgow teams and a team from Belfast but idoubt it would ever happen. Also it would be against all the traditions of the game to just invent and build a club and place them immediately in our top flight There is no reason why a club from N Ireland, if they are good enough,should not apply tojoin the lower tiers of the English pyramid and work their way up over time. Not sure if the NI FA would e happy but why not. No comment about Blair as I would not give him the of day. I don’t see the reason why a club that isn’t in England should join the English league. It’s not the British Championship, for example. It’s already annoying that Swansea, Cardiff and Wrexham play in the pyramid. It’s a national league, if their Nations don’t enjoy football enough, that’s their problem. If they ever were to do it, they should have to go right from the very bottom of the pyramid. to be fair that not how the pyramid works, new clubs get invited into whichever league will take them, that's rarely the very bottom level |
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 28, 2023 16:18:34 GMT
I don’t see the reason why a club that isn’t in England should join the English league. It’s not the British Championship, for example. It’s already annoying that Swansea, Cardiff and Wrexham play in the pyramid. It’s a national league, if their Nations don’t enjoy football enough, that’s their problem. If they ever were to do it, they should have to go right from the very bottom of the pyramid. to be fair that not how the pyramid works, new clubs get invited into whichever league will take them, that's rarely the very bottom level It’s been fairly low down though for most. For example AFC Wimbledon, AFC Newport (later renamed back to Newport County), Hereford FC, and Bury. Only in the case of Rangers FC, in Scotland was the reformed club still in the professional league structure. BM |
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Post by lordb on Dec 28, 2023 16:36:59 GMT
to be fair that not how the pyramid works, new clubs get invited into whichever league will take them, that's rarely the very bottom level It’s been fairly low down though for most. For example AFC Wimbledon, AFC Newport (later renamed back to Newport County), Hereford FC, and Bury. Only in the case of Rangers FC, in Scotland was the reformed club still in the professional league structure. BM AFC Wimbledon started at step 7 (the bottom), don't think any of the others did, starting at higher steps If a Belfast FC (or even a Dublin FC) were formed & wanted to enter our football would guess that they would be invited in pretty high up, possibly even straight in at league 2 or league 1 Perhaps that's not very sporting but don't think there would be anything to stop that happening |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 28, 2023 16:39:57 GMT
Im sure the owners of clydebank wanted to move them to ireland at one stage before they went out of business.
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Post by Northy on Dec 28, 2023 16:42:30 GMT
Tony Blair what a w⚓️
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Post by Veritas on Dec 28, 2023 16:53:21 GMT
It’s been fairly low down though for most. For example AFC Wimbledon, AFC Newport (later renamed back to Newport County), Hereford FC, and Bury. Only in the case of Rangers FC, in Scotland was the reformed club still in the professional league structure. BM AFC Wimbledon started at step 7 (the bottom), don't think any of the others did, starting at higher steps If a Belfast FC (or even a Dublin FC) were formed & wanted to enter our football would guess that they would be invited in pretty high up, possibly even straight in at league 2 or league 1 Perhaps that's not very sporting but don't think there would be anything to stop that happening There are some historic anomalies, Welsh teams in the English League and Berwick in the Scottish League and the political anomaly of Derry City in the League of Ireland. However with the threat of the cross border ESL I doubt if any new proposal would get very far. The fact that Blair was backing the Wimbledon idea shows how little he actually understood, or cared about, working class culture. And that is from someone who voted for him at three general elections, albeit with increasing exasperation. |
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Post by lordb on Dec 28, 2023 16:59:27 GMT
AFC Wimbledon started at step 7 (the bottom), don't think any of the others did, starting at higher steps If a Belfast FC (or even a Dublin FC) were formed & wanted to enter our football would guess that they would be invited in pretty high up, possibly even straight in at league 2 or league 1 Perhaps that's not very sporting but don't think there would be anything to stop that happening There are some historic anomalies, Welsh teams in the English League and Berwick in the Scottish League and the political anomaly of Derry City in the League of Ireland. However with the threat of the cross border ESL I doubt if any new proposal would get very far. The fact that Blair was backing the Wimbledon idea shows how little he actually understood, or cared about, working class culture. And that is from someone who voted for him at three general elections, albeit with increasing exasperation. am completely against the franchise mentality of moving clubs to different places altogether but actual new football clubs have git to start somewhere I'm not adverse to such clubs starting higher than step 7 of the pryamid |
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 28, 2023 17:00:48 GMT
I don’t see the reason why a club that isn’t in England should join the English league. It’s not the British Championship, for example. It’s already annoying that Swansea, Cardiff and Wrexham play in the pyramid. It’s a national league, if their Nations don’t enjoy football enough, that’s their problem. If they ever were to do it, they should have to go right from the very bottom of the pyramid. to be fair that not how the pyramid works, new clubs get invited into whichever league will take them, that's rarely the very bottom level Didn’t know that. I’d still put them way down the bottom. |
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Post by Veritas on Dec 28, 2023 17:01:20 GMT
There are some historic anomalies, Welsh teams in the English League and Berwick in the Scottish League and the political anomaly of Derry City in the League of Ireland. However with the threat of the cross border ESL I doubt if any new proposal would get very far. The fact that Blair was backing the Wimbledon idea shows how little he actually understood, or cared about, working class culture. And that is from someone who voted for him at three general elections, albeit with increasing exasperation. am completely against the franchise mentality of moving clubs to different places altogether but actual new football clubs have git to start somewhere I'm not adverse to such clubs starting higher than step 7 of the pryamid What would be the criteria for jumping a few levels? |
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Post by lordb on Dec 28, 2023 17:41:05 GMT
am completely against the franchise mentality of moving clubs to different places altogether but actual new football clubs have git to start somewhere I'm not adverse to such clubs starting higher than step 7 of the pryamid What would be the criteria for jumping a few levels? There doesn't appear to be one new clubs tend to be phoenix clubs as such have a ready and willing fan base usually dwarfing what step 7 clubs can get as such leagues higher up accept them instead If a genuinely sizable club went bust, say a Bolton or a Derby, would expect their phoenix club to be invited in no lower than The National League From a purely sporting aspect probably should start at step 7 but just not practical |
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Post by idle on Dec 29, 2023 11:02:57 GMT
Do clubs like Rangers actually want to move though? Rangers went bust and could have started at the bottom of the English pyramid if they wished instead of starting in the scottish fourth tier. It would maybe have taken them a minimum of x (7?) years to get to the EPL, but they chose to get back to the SPL instead
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