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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 2, 2024 12:05:28 GMT
Great to see him play the full 100 minutes of a game as well (at least I think he did?). His performances are becoming consistently good but we need him for 90+ minutes every game not 60.
I think he’ll grow into a superb signing for the club……
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Post by maine on Jan 2, 2024 14:32:01 GMT
I think Burger should be made permanent captain asap.
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Post by loyalstripey on Jan 2, 2024 14:40:43 GMT
Definitely captain material, leads by example, covers every inch of the pitch and never stops encouraging and guiding the players around him....
I think Schuey will confirm it pretty soon.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 2, 2024 14:43:05 GMT
Personally I wouldnt burden him with the captaincy at the moment. He's putting in some cracking performances so I'd let him concentrate on that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2024 15:02:28 GMT
Personally I wouldnt burden him with the captaincy at the moment. He's putting in some cracking performances so I'd let him concentrate on that. Is it a burden? I really don’t see why it should be. It should be about the coin toss and nothing more really. It’s not like cricket where it’s an important job and you make decisions. The decisions are made for you.
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Post by Marc01 on Jan 2, 2024 15:13:47 GMT
Personally I wouldnt burden him with the captaincy at the moment. He's putting in some cracking performances so I'd let him concentrate on that. It seems his natural style to lead whether he has the armband or not.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 2, 2024 16:15:56 GMT
Personally I wouldnt burden him with the captaincy at the moment. He's putting in some cracking performances so I'd let him concentrate on that. Is it a burden? I really don’t see why it should be. It should be about the coin toss and nothing more really. It’s not like cricket where it’s an important job and you make decisions. The decisions are made for you. I like the idea of a captain general who inspires the troops. It doesn't have to be the lad with the armband but that's the natural choice. Also someone to communicate general player issues with the manager, or players who need a kick up the arse but not necessarily from the manager.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 2, 2024 19:02:33 GMT
Personally I wouldnt burden him with the captaincy at the moment. He's putting in some cracking performances so I'd let him concentrate on that. Slightly odd logic, his cracking performances have come when he’s been captain haven’t they? If anything it suggests it’s been a boost rather than a burden
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Post by Veritas on Jan 2, 2024 20:57:41 GMT
Is it a burden? I really don’t see why it should be. It should be about the coin toss and nothing more really. It’s not like cricket where it’s an important job and you make decisions. The decisions are made for you. I like the idea of a captain general who inspires the troops. It doesn't have to be the lad with the armband but that's the natural choice. Also someone to communicate general player issues with the manager, or players who need a kick up the arse but not necessarily from the manager. Very true Whelan's approach not influenced not having an armband
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 3, 2024 9:52:19 GMT
Alex Ferguson had a lot to say about captains and the choice of the team captain down the years.
There's more:
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Post by biddulphchav on Jan 3, 2024 14:47:53 GMT
Very good player and will hopefully continue to improve. Seems a good leader too and has a surprising turn of pace. Huge upgrade on what we’ve had in recent years. Needs to use his right foot a bit more if he wants to play in the Prem in my opinion
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Post by apb1 on Jan 3, 2024 15:14:20 GMT
He's already very good and love watching him play. Nowhere near Nzonzi in the gliding through games stakes, not yet anyway. He's a bit erratic and can look chaotic, but with experience the rough edges might get polished. Certainly potential to play above this level if he keeps learning.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 3, 2024 18:27:13 GMT
He's already very good and love watching him play. Nowhere near Nzonzi in the gliding through games stakes, not yet anyway. He's a bit erratic and can look chaotic, but with experience the rough edges might get polished. Certainly potential to play above this level if he keeps learning. Nzonzi is another level though, literally. World Cup winner, multiple Europa League winner, played loads of Champions League games. Very few players glide through the midfield like he did. Burger is starting to evolve into that kind of player though and his influence is growing with every game. Probably the one player in our squad that you'd say has the potential to be a Premier League player.
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 3, 2024 21:49:05 GMT
I loved that pitch that Nzonzi played on. He could slant it to favor all things Stoke. Like a UFO, he slipped into another dimension when gliding though a midfield.
Agree on Burger - he's angling for an "invite" to that other pitch. Long may that last.
Think I put the wrong mushrooms in this chili
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Post by onepara on Jan 3, 2024 21:53:04 GMT
He's a Rolls Royce amongst Fords.
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Post by apb1 on Jan 3, 2024 22:18:37 GMT
He's already very good and love watching him play. Nowhere near Nzonzi in the gliding through games stakes, not yet anyway. He's a bit erratic and can look chaotic, but with experience the rough edges might get polished. Certainly potential to play above this level if he keeps learning. Nzonzi is another level though, literally. World Cup winner, multiple Europa League winner, played loads of Champions League games. Very few players glide through the midfield like he did. Burger is starting to evolve into that kind of player though and his influence is growing with every game. Probably the one player in our squad that you'd say has the potential to be a Premier League player. All that was after us of course. He still glided when on his way up 🙂
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 3, 2024 22:32:26 GMT
He's already very good and love watching him play. Nowhere near Nzonzi in the gliding through games stakes, not yet anyway. He's a bit erratic and can look chaotic, but with experience the rough edges might get polished. Certainly potential to play above this level if he keeps learning. Nzonzi is another level though, literally. World Cup winner, multiple Europa League winner, played loads of Champions League games. Very few players glide through the midfield like he did. Burger is starting to evolve into that kind of player though and his influence is growing with every game. Probably the one player in our squad that you'd say has the potential to be a Premier League player. Did you see Alan Hudson play? He was a lovely glider.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 3, 2024 22:43:49 GMT
Nzonzi is another level though, literally. World Cup winner, multiple Europa League winner, played loads of Champions League games. Very few players glide through the midfield like he did. Burger is starting to evolve into that kind of player though and his influence is growing with every game. Probably the one player in our squad that you'd say has the potential to be a Premier League player. Did you see Alan Hudson play? He was a lovely glider. Sadly not, born in 1983 so before my time. Parents always go on about him though.
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Post by pmjh on Jan 3, 2024 23:14:52 GMT
Did you see Alan Hudson play? He was a lovely glider. Sadly not, born in 1983 so before my time. Parents always go on about him though. Nzonzi was very good. Hudson was on a different level.
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Post by apb1 on Jan 4, 2024 8:17:54 GMT
Hudson gliding on pitches like no man’s land in the Western Front. What a genius he was
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 4, 2024 9:01:31 GMT
He's already very good and love watching him play. Nowhere near Nzonzi in the gliding through games stakes, not yet anyway. He's a bit erratic and can look chaotic, but with experience the rough edges might get polished. Certainly potential to play above this level if he keeps learning. Nzonzi is another level though, literally. World Cup winner, multiple Europa League winner, played loads of Champions League games. Very few players glide through the midfield like he did. Burger is starting to evolve into that kind of player though and his influence is growing with every game. Probably the one player in our squad that you'd say has the potential to be a Premier League player. I would put Tchamadeu in that bracket aswell mate.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 4, 2024 9:08:09 GMT
Hudson gliding on pitches like no man’s land in the Western Front. What a genius he was When asked who I think is the best player I've seen play for Stoke, I say Alan Hudson, difficult though it is to make comparisons over the decades, and between very different positions.
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Post by chad on Jan 4, 2024 9:11:46 GMT
Would love to see Huddy play on the pitches of today. How the lad didn’t get 50caps is nothing short of scandalous
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 4, 2024 9:14:54 GMT
Personally I wouldnt burden him with the captaincy at the moment. He's putting in some cracking performances so I'd let him concentrate on that. Is it a burden? I really don’t see why it should be. It should be about the coin toss and nothing more really. It’s not like cricket where it’s an important job and you make decisions. The decisions are made for you. I don't think that's right (if it is, it wouldn't make any difference whether Burger is captain or not). The on-field captain has certain rights to speak to the referee, and refs sometimes call captains over to warn about team conduct. And I think most coaches would expect the captain to have a leadership role - both on and off the field. Yes, it's less tactically important than a cricket captain, but still an important role IMHO.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 4, 2024 9:24:30 GMT
Is it a burden? I really don’t see why it should be. It should be about the coin toss and nothing more really. It’s not like cricket where it’s an important job and you make decisions. The decisions are made for you. I don't think that's right (if it is, it wouldn't make any difference whether Burger is captain or not). The on-field captain has certain rights to speak to the referee, and refs sometimes call captains over to warn about team conduct. And I think most coaches would expect the captain to have a leadership role - both on and off the field. Yes, it's less tactically important than a cricket captain, but still an important role IMHO. Yes I'm sure Shawcross listed having to be the go between between the dressing room and manager, delivering any moans and complaints both ways. I think he said he chose the softly, softly approach which I think is why he had the job instead of the Sargent Major approach Whelan took.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 4, 2024 9:41:14 GMT
Nzonzi is another level though, literally. World Cup winner, multiple Europa League winner, played loads of Champions League games. Very few players glide through the midfield like he did. Burger is starting to evolve into that kind of player though and his influence is growing with every game. Probably the one player in our squad that you'd say has the potential to be a Premier League player. I would put Tchamadeu in that bracket aswell mate. Yeah he's got potential but is less developed than Burger. Both still have work to do to reach that level but yeah I'd agree they're the only two in the squad with the potential for it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2024 10:40:18 GMT
Is it a burden? I really don’t see why it should be. It should be about the coin toss and nothing more really. It’s not like cricket where it’s an important job and you make decisions. The decisions are made for you. I don't think that's right (if it is, it wouldn't make any difference whether Burger is captain or not). The on-field captain has certain rights to speak to the referee, and refs sometimes call captains over to warn about team conduct. And I think most coaches would expect the captain to have a leadership role - both on and off the field. Yes, it's less tactically important than a cricket captain, but still an important role IMHO. It's still not a massive role though. I think it's very overegged especially in this country.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 4, 2024 10:51:33 GMT
I don't think that's right (if it is, it wouldn't make any difference whether Burger is captain or not). The on-field captain has certain rights to speak to the referee, and refs sometimes call captains over to warn about team conduct. And I think most coaches would expect the captain to have a leadership role - both on and off the field. Yes, it's less tactically important than a cricket captain, but still an important role IMHO. It's still not a massive role though. I think it's very overegged especially in this country. I think that all depends on just how big a role the coach wants it to be.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 4, 2024 10:55:20 GMT
I like him and he's 100% an honest performer witn skill, but be honest he is no NZonzi!
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Post by tqstokie on Jan 4, 2024 11:14:11 GMT
It took Nzonzi quite a while to settle and to become the player who left. He was criticised on here for slowing our attacks down and passing negatively. Sometimes your memory becomes selective. Hudson was a great player for us from the very first game against Liverpool on a bone dry bumpy pitch. There has not been anyone close to him since.
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