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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 19, 2023 9:43:07 GMT
Can't recall apart from MON,how often we win our 1st game under a new manager.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Dec 19, 2023 9:45:16 GMT
I’m guessing it’s shite
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Post by pavel on Dec 19, 2023 9:48:51 GMT
We do new manager plunge or at best new manager glide, let’s hope Schumacher bucks the norm.
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Post by StokieDJC on Dec 19, 2023 9:49:32 GMT
It’s more of a splat than a bounce.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 19, 2023 10:05:16 GMT
This article actually references us www.infogol.net/en/blog/football-insights/new-manager-bounce-factor-is-it-real-2012021The gist is that the new manager bounce is something of an illusion and it's more to do with the underlying random nature of results - the previous manager is often sacked on the back of a run of bad luck and the new manager benefits from a counter balancing run of better luck with results overall matching actual levels of performance. Some managers do improve teams in the medium/long term but that's a result of changing the culture and better recruitment. Over the short term teams just follow the statistical trends in their underlying performance. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 19, 2023 10:05:33 GMT
Ever tried dropping a ripe plum off a sky scraper? A bit like that normally but this time it’s going to be different and when you stop believing that you might as well just pack in.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 19, 2023 10:25:10 GMT
This article actually references us www.infogol.net/en/blog/football-insights/new-manager-bounce-factor-is-it-real-2012021The gist is that the new manager bounce is something of an illusion and it's more to do with the underlying random nature of results - the previous manager is often sacked on the back of a run of bad luck and the new manager benefits from a counter balancing run of better luck with results overall matching actual levels of performance. Some managers do improve teams in the medium/long term but that's a result of changing the culture and better recruitment. Over the short term teams just follow the statistical trends in their underlying performance. I do think some new managers get a better immediate response from squads because of the initial fresh ideas and something different so I think it's more than just a change of luck. Perhaps the players have more belief which alters their luck as in lots of ways it's true that you make your own luck with a positive attitude. It is correct though that you have to look past the initial bounce or lack of to see how well a manager has done. For instance I think long term Rooney will do well at Birmingham if he doesn't get sacked first. I think what he asks from players is totally different from Eustace. He has stuck to his principals and as long as the players believe in him they will start to click. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 19, 2023 10:27:41 GMT
Recently?
Like encasing Lizzo in concrete and booting her out of a cargo plane.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 19, 2023 10:52:15 GMT
Alex Neil - Swansea (h) 1-1
MON - Barnsley (a) 4-2
Nathan Jones (a) Brentford 1-3
Gary Rowett (a) Leeds 1-3
Paul Lambert (h) Huddersfield 2-0
Mark Hughes (a) Liverpool 0-1
Tony Pulis (2) (a) Southend 0-1
Johan Boskamp (h) Sheff Wed 0-0
Tony Pulis (1) (a) Walsall 2-4
Steve Cotterill (a) Sheff Wed 0-0
Gudjon Thordarson (a) Wycombe 4-0
Gary Megson (h) Oxford Utd 1-2
Brian Little (a) Northampton 3-1
Chris Kamara (a) Swindon Town 0-1
Chic Bates (a) Birmingham 0-2
Lou Macari (2) (h) Birmingham 4-1
Joe Jordan (h) Leicester 1-0
Lou Macari (1) (a) Bradford City 0-1
Alan Ball (h) Newcastle Utd 2-1
Mick Mills (h) Sheff Utd 1-3
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Post by ohbottom on Dec 19, 2023 11:05:19 GMT
Steven Schumacher - Millwall (h) 7-0  Alex Neil - Swansea (h) 1-1 MON - Barnsley (a) 4-2Nathan Jones (a) Brentford 1-3 Gary Rowett (a) Leeds 1-3 Paul Lambert (h) Huddersfield 2-0 Mark Hughes (a) Liverpool 0-1 Tony Pulis (2) (a) Southend 0-1 Johan Boskamp (h) Sheff Wed 0-0 Tony Pulis (1) (a) Walsall 2-4 Steve Cotterill (a) Sheff Wed 0-0 Gudjon Thordarson (a) Wycombe 4-0Gary Megson (h) Oxford Utd 1-2 Brian Little (a) Northampton 3-1Chris Kamara (a) Swindon Town 0-1 Chic Bates (a) Birmingham 0-2 Lou Macari (2) (h) Birmingham 4-1
Joe Jordan (h) Leicester 1-0Lou Macari (1) (a) Bradford City 0-1 Alan Ball (h) Newcastle Utd 2-1Mick Mills (h) Sheff Utd 1-3 Updated for you... |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 19, 2023 11:06:06 GMT
This article actually references us www.infogol.net/en/blog/football-insights/new-manager-bounce-factor-is-it-real-2012021The gist is that the new manager bounce is something of an illusion and it's more to do with the underlying random nature of results - the previous manager is often sacked on the back of a run of bad luck and the new manager benefits from a counter balancing run of better luck with results overall matching actual levels of performance. Some managers do improve teams in the medium/long term but that's a result of changing the culture and better recruitment. Over the short term teams just follow the statistical trends in their underlying performance. I do think some new managers get a better immediate response from squads because of the initial fresh ideas and something different so I think it's more than just a change of luck. Perhaps the players have more belief which alters their luck as in lots of ways it's true that you make your own luck with a positive attitude. It is correct though that you have to look past the initial bounce or lack of to see how well a manager has done. For instance I think long term Rooney will do well at Birmingham if he doesn't get sacked first. I think what he asks from players is totally different from Eustace. He has stuck to his principals and as long as the players believe in him they will start to click. If the previous manager has lost the dressing room then I think you are right in that a new manager who gets the players on board can make a short term impact. However the analysis of how new managers do suggests that the real determining factor is the team's actual pre-existing performance levels - in the short term results match this and the the new manager doesn't make much difference. It's the medium/long term impact that is more down to the manager, not what happens in the short term. In terms of where we are I think a new manager could make a short term impact by improving the defence in the January window (the area of the pitch we woefully neglected in the summer) and by simplifying the game plan and establishing a settled side. I think Neil over complicated things and chopped and changed too much and that's an easy to fix. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Dec 19, 2023 11:06:39 GMT
Alex Neil - Swansea (h) 1-1 MON - Barnsley (a) 4-2Nathan Jones (a) Brentford 1-3 Gary Rowett (a) Leeds 1-3 Paul Lambert (h) Huddersfield 2-0 Mark Hughes (a) Liverpool 0-1 Tony Pulis (2) (a) Southend 0-1 Johan Boskamp (h) Sheff Wed 0-0 Tony Pulis (1) (a) Walsall 2-4 Steve Cotterill (a) Sheff Wed 0-0 Gudjon Thordarson (a) Wycombe 4-0Gary Megson (h) Oxford Utd 1-2 Brian Little (a) Northampton 3-1Chris Kamara (a) Swindon Town 0-1 Chic Bates (a) Birmingham 0-2 Lou Macari (2) (h) Birmingham 4-1
Joe Jordan (h) Leicester 1-0Lou Macari (1) (a) Bradford City 0-1 Alan Ball (h) Newcastle Utd 2-1Mick Mills (h) Sheff Utd 1-3 So 1 out of the last ten. Tidy🤣 |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 19, 2023 11:08:26 GMT
I have a completely unproven theory that managers that produce a 'bounce' don't go on to have sustained success at a club over a long period.
As a one-off example which proves nothing, Tony Pulis' two reigns started with:
1st period: 4 losses in a row and no win in his first 9 games
2nd period: 1 win in his opening 10 games
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Post by mcw on Dec 19, 2023 11:11:57 GMT
This article actually references us www.infogol.net/en/blog/football-insights/new-manager-bounce-factor-is-it-real-2012021The gist is that the new manager bounce is something of an illusion and it's more to do with the underlying random nature of results - the previous manager is often sacked on the back of a run of bad luck and the new manager benefits from a counter balancing run of better luck with results overall matching actual levels of performance. Some managers do improve teams in the medium/long term but that's a result of changing the culture and better recruitment. Over the short term teams just follow the statistical trends in their underlying performance. Christ maybe we have had our bounce with 2 draws since AN left...! |
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Post by mcw on Dec 19, 2023 11:14:07 GMT
Alex Neil - Swansea (h) 1-1 MON - Barnsley (a) 4-2Nathan Jones (a) Brentford 1-3 Gary Rowett (a) Leeds 1-3 Paul Lambert (h) Huddersfield 2-0 Mark Hughes (a) Liverpool 0-1 Tony Pulis (2) (a) Southend 0-1 Johan Boskamp (h) Sheff Wed 0-0 Tony Pulis (1) (a) Walsall 2-4 Steve Cotterill (a) Sheff Wed 0-0 Gudjon Thordarson (a) Wycombe 4-0Gary Megson (h) Oxford Utd 1-2 Brian Little (a) Northampton 3-1Chris Kamara (a) Swindon Town 0-1 Chic Bates (a) Birmingham 0-2 Lou Macari (2) (h) Birmingham 4-1
Joe Jordan (h) Leicester 1-0Lou Macari (1) (a) Bradford City 0-1 Alan Ball (h) Newcastle Utd 2-1Mick Mills (h) Sheff Utd 1-3 So 1 out of the last ten. Tidy🤣 I was at the Gudjon debut game at Wycombe, what a result that was at the time:)! |
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Post by Afrojack on Dec 19, 2023 11:15:40 GMT
Lamberts was a win so 2 out of the last 5 or 2 out of the last 10 if you want
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Post by 16quidachuck on Dec 19, 2023 11:15:58 GMT
Alex Neil - Swansea (h) 1-1 MON - Barnsley (a) 4-2Nathan Jones (a) Brentford 1-3 Gary Rowett (a) Leeds 1-3 Paul Lambert (h) Huddersfield 2-0 Mark Hughes (a) Liverpool 0-1 Tony Pulis (2) (a) Southend 0-1 Johan Boskamp (h) Sheff Wed 0-0 Tony Pulis (1) (a) Walsall 2-4 Steve Cotterill (a) Sheff Wed 0-0 Gudjon Thordarson (a) Wycombe 4-0Gary Megson (h) Oxford Utd 1-2 Brian Little (a) Northampton 3-1Chris Kamara (a) Swindon Town 0-1 Chic Bates (a) Birmingham 0-2 Lou Macari (2) (h) Birmingham 4-1
Joe Jordan (h) Leicester 1-0Lou Macari (1) (a) Bradford City 0-1 Alan Ball (h) Newcastle Utd 2-1Mick Mills (h) Sheff Utd 1-3 So 1 out of the last ten. Tidy🤣 Lambert was a win |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Dec 19, 2023 11:18:58 GMT
Didn't Brian Little win 10 on the bounce, and if i remember correctly then the wheels fell off big time, may have even been the Stoke 0 Birmingham 7 season...
Edit....1st 6 wins, and 0-7 was season before...
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 19, 2023 11:23:03 GMT
We should have bounced Neil and Jones out of the door a lot quicker
I thought Lou was West Brom not Birmingham second time out
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Post by mcw on Dec 19, 2023 11:28:47 GMT
Didn't Brian Little win 10 on the bounce, and if i remember correctly then the wheels fell off big time, may have even been the Stoke 0 Birmingham 7 season 0-7 was the season before when we got relegated. Think we won 8 out 10 in the opening of the following season and then you are correct, in true Stoke style the wheels well and truly fell off. The season before was toxic towards the end. I was at the Birmingham and Man City game (where we both got relegated) and they both had the feeling that if the crowd had been allowed to bring in pitchforks then a lynching of the board was on the cards  |
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Post by Northy on Dec 19, 2023 11:36:22 GMT
Didn't Brian Little win 10 on the bounce, and if i remember correctly then the wheels fell off big time, may have even been the Stoke 0 Birmingham 7 season... Edit....1st 6 wins, and 0-7 was season before... I was at the 7th game, a night match away at Fulham, I think Chris Short had to go off for some medical reason, Fulham had a player who gave us a torrid time, Rufus Brevett or something like that ? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2023 11:40:28 GMT
It’s akin to bouncing down the stairs mostly.
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Post by chad on Dec 19, 2023 11:41:16 GMT
Didn't Brian Little win 10 on the bounce, and if i remember correctly then the wheels fell off big time, may have even been the Stoke 0 Birmingham 7 season... Edit....1st 6 wins, and 0-7 was season before... I was at the 7th game, a night match away at Fulham, I think Chris Short had to go off for some medical reason, Fulham had a player who gave us a torrid time, Rufus Brevett or something like that ? I was at that one as well Bubble well and truly burst |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 19, 2023 11:43:33 GMT
So 1 out of the last ten. Tidy🤣 I was at the Gudjon debut game at Wycombe, what a result that was at the time:)! Same here mate what a night that was.Didn’t know a couple of the players and 5 pints of bass sung for absolutely ages |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 19, 2023 11:52:16 GMT
So 1 out of the last ten. Tidy🤣 I was at the Gudjon debut game at Wycombe, what a result that was at the time:)! Same. I got food poisoning from an "elephant burger" outside the ground and had to take the rest of the week off work...... |
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Post by RF10 on Dec 19, 2023 11:54:13 GMT
The Lambert bounce led me down a massive false sense of optimism. I thought we looked brilliant in the Huddlesfield game and was adamant we would have the fighting spirit back. Fast forward 5 years later  |
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Post by jukeboxjury on Dec 19, 2023 12:03:35 GMT
This squad are lacking in confidence, thats plain to see.
If they are relieved that AN has gone maybe we will see shorts term a bit of a bounce.
Don’t expect too much, the groundhog effect will continue until we have a backbone in this team.
If, as reported the new manager is attack orientated then we may see a resurgence, and a few goals from those strikers who have not been able to score regularly.
Lets get behind them, but remember you can’t polish a turd, or several of them
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Post by rokerite on Dec 19, 2023 12:44:04 GMT
I have a completely unproven theory that managers that produce a 'bounce' don't go on to have sustained success at a club over a long period. As a one-off example which proves nothing, Tony Pulis' two reigns started with: 1st period: 4 losses in a row and no win in his first 9 games 2nd period: 1 win in his opening 10 games It is certainly true that winning the first match in charge or first few matches in charge is no indication of long term success. I never cease to be amazed how many supporters will react to a caretaker winning his first couple of matches with calls to give him the job permanently. I hope you get the bounce against Millwall. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 19, 2023 12:52:18 GMT
I was at the Gudjon debut game at Wycombe, what a result that was at the time:)! Same. I got food poisoning from an "elephant burger" outside the ground and had to take the rest of the week off work...... The clue was in the name of the burger, at least they were honest I remember them giving Mohan stick and the really annoyed PA guy reading his name out with a sigh when he scored. He didn't even try to hide it |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 19, 2023 12:58:22 GMT
Same. I got food poisoning from an "elephant burger" outside the ground and had to take the rest of the week off work...... The clue was in the name of the burger, at least they were honest I remember them giving Mohan stick and the really annoyed PA guy reading his name out with a sigh when he scored. He didn't even try to hide it They assured me there was no actual elephant in it. It was 3 beef burgers in a large baguette, with lashings of fried onions, a taste sensation and almost worth shitting through the eye of a needle for 3 days......... |
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