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Post by retrostoke on Dec 16, 2023 19:48:16 GMT
WTF. Nuno didn’t apply for the job. He wasn’t on our short list. We never interviewed him. He was never considered. FFS shut this down, it’s completely irrelevant
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Post by This is the year on Dec 16, 2023 19:56:54 GMT
WTF. Nuno didn’t apply for the job. He wasn’t on our short list. We never interviewed him. He was never considered. FFS shut this down, it’s completely irrelevant And you know this as fact ?
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Post by retrostoke on Dec 16, 2023 19:58:13 GMT
WTF. Nuno didn’t apply for the job. He wasn’t on our short list. We never interviewed him. He was never considered. FFS shut this down, it’s completely irrelevant And you know this as fact ? Show me otherwise
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Dec 16, 2023 20:00:55 GMT
And you know this as fact ? Show me otherwise Why don't you back up your statement?
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Post by chell_rosey on Dec 16, 2023 20:05:41 GMT
And you know this as fact ? Show me otherwise This is the old 'prove to me that God exists' line. Bit pointless really.
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Post by davethebass on Dec 16, 2023 20:13:10 GMT
Would any of those be a project and the chance to build something backed by some of the richest owners in the country? With basically unlimited funds if we get back into the prem? We didn’t have unlimited funds when we went into the Premier League. It’s hardly like we did what Newcastle, Man City and Chelsea did. Nor did we ever look like we were about to spend that kind of cash. Why would he want a project? Has he come out and said so? He’s been there, done that. Now, he’s well-known and can highlight his successes on his resume. All the failures of managers are happily ignored if they’ve once done something well. It’s why people like Warnock et al keep getting jobs. Yes he has come out and said he wants a project, if those close to him are to be believed, according to this article FullerMagic posted... Interesting article from last year... theathletic.com/3517157/2022/08/19/nuno-espirito-santo-wolves-spurs/If you weren’t aware, Nuno is back in work now, having taken time out post-Spurs to spend time with his family back home in Portugal while assessing his options and perusing job offers (including positions in Turkey and Brazil). Where has he wound up? Al-Ittihad in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. He’s been joined there by the perennially-young Scottish coach Ian Cathro (still only 36 years old) who was also with Nuno at Portugal’s Rio Ave, Valencia in Spain, Wolves and Spurs, plus goalkeeping coach Rui Barbosa. No doubt working in Saudi Arabia offers an interesting challenge for Nuno and Cathro, certainly culturally, but it’s hard to envisage them there were it not for the obvious financial benefits. And it feels like a waste. But in terms of a career move? Well, it depends what Nuno wants from his career, but it doesn’t feel right for a man often described as a genius by those who worked with him at Wolves (and by himself to The Athletic once upon a time) to sit outside football’s mainstream. Taking the Spurs job was a gamble which didn’t pay off. He may have been handsomely rewarded with a large pay-off when he left, but Nuno’s reputation suffered in those few months. His stock post-Wolves was still high, despite a dodgy final season. The previous three years were basically perfect (winning the Championship title and then finishing seventh, twice, in the Premier League while also reaching that Europa League quarter-final and an FA Cup semi-final Wolves were three minutes from winning) and led him to be linked with all manner of high-profile jobs, most notably the Arsenal one. Joining the other north London giants didn’t suit him. He found some of their distracted and unwanted players hard to manage, he faced an insurmountable battle to earn their respect, given he was so clearly a long way down Tottenham’s list of candidates, and he had an unhappy Harry Kane to deal with. Yes, he made mistakes, but against his better judgement (he was believed to be reluctant to take the job until his agent Jorge Mendes convinced him otherwise) it was a role he should, in glorious hindsight, have turned down. He should have gone to Crystal Palace, who had strongly courted him. Those close to Nuno say that, post-Spurs, he was looking for a fresh project and a mountain to climb in the manner of what he achieved with Wolves, taking a team up a few levels and galvanising a group of mouldable players with small egos for footballers (Nuno doesn’t like being challenged). Those opportunities, even when your agent and close friend is Mendes, don’t come around very often. So for now, it’s Al-Ittihad. He’ll be acutely aware of his reputation having taken a hit, but he’ll also know that being out of sight of European football means being out of mind. However well he does, it’s unlikely he’ll be there long, given Al-Ittihad have had 20 permanent managers since 2010. At Wolves, he transformed a team, a club and a city, conducting one of the best teams ever seen at the second level of English football. They may not have reached 100 points or broken records, but when Wolves were at their best in the Championship it was football from another league. He helped launch the top-level careers of not only Conor Coady and Doherty, but also Diogo Jota, Ruben Neves and Pedro Neto. He became a hero to his people. He took Wolves to places they didn’t think they would reach again. In short, he’s far too good to be out in Saudi Arabia, as is the astute and talented Cathro. If he ever does return to English football, he’ll forever receive a warm reception from Wolves supporters. Spurs fans? Possibly not so much.
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Post by This is the year on Dec 16, 2023 20:19:30 GMT
And you know this as fact ? Show me otherwise You show me otherwise ?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 16, 2023 20:22:34 GMT
And you know this as fact ? Show me otherwise So everything you’ve said is supposition a bit like what everyone else is saying …
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Post by This is the year on Dec 16, 2023 20:23:22 GMT
Why don't you back up your statement? He can’t he’s just guessing.
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 16, 2023 20:28:08 GMT
Pointless thread - in all the decades the Coates family have been at the club between Peter and John, how many foreign managers have we had? therefore how likely are we to get one while they remain here.
Its like letting your grandad plan your wedding, you can't fall out with him because they have your best interests at heart, but you just know you are ending up at a working mans club with hot pot.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 16, 2023 20:32:14 GMT
We didn’t have unlimited funds when we went into the Premier League. It’s hardly like we did what Newcastle, Man City and Chelsea did. Nor did we ever look like we were about to spend that kind of cash. Why would he want a project? Has he come out and said so? He’s been there, done that. Now, he’s well-known and can highlight his successes on his resume. All the failures of managers are happily ignored if they’ve once done something well. It’s why people like Warnock et al keep getting jobs. Yes he has come out and said he wants a project, if those close to him are to be believed, according to this article FullerMagic posted... Interesting article from last year... theathletic.com/3517157/2022/08/19/nuno-espirito-santo-wolves-spurs/If you weren’t aware, Nuno is back in work now, having taken time out post-Spurs to spend time with his family back home in Portugal while assessing his options and perusing job offers (including positions in Turkey and Brazil). Where has he wound up? Al-Ittihad in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. He’s been joined there by the perennially-young Scottish coach Ian Cathro (still only 36 years old) who was also with Nuno at Portugal’s Rio Ave, Valencia in Spain, Wolves and Spurs, plus goalkeeping coach Rui Barbosa. No doubt working in Saudi Arabia offers an interesting challenge for Nuno and Cathro, certainly culturally, but it’s hard to envisage them there were it not for the obvious financial benefits. And it feels like a waste. But in terms of a career move? Well, it depends what Nuno wants from his career, but it doesn’t feel right for a man often described as a genius by those who worked with him at Wolves (and by himself to The Athletic once upon a time) to sit outside football’s mainstream. Taking the Spurs job was a gamble which didn’t pay off. He may have been handsomely rewarded with a large pay-off when he left, but Nuno’s reputation suffered in those few months. His stock post-Wolves was still high, despite a dodgy final season. The previous three years were basically perfect (winning the Championship title and then finishing seventh, twice, in the Premier League while also reaching that Europa League quarter-final and an FA Cup semi-final Wolves were three minutes from winning) and led him to be linked with all manner of high-profile jobs, most notably the Arsenal one. Joining the other north London giants didn’t suit him. He found some of their distracted and unwanted players hard to manage, he faced an insurmountable battle to earn their respect, given he was so clearly a long way down Tottenham’s list of candidates, and he had an unhappy Harry Kane to deal with. Yes, he made mistakes, but against his better judgement (he was believed to be reluctant to take the job until his agent Jorge Mendes convinced him otherwise) it was a role he should, in glorious hindsight, have turned down. He should have gone to Crystal Palace, who had strongly courted him. Those close to Nuno say that, post-Spurs, he was looking for a fresh project and a mountain to climb in the manner of what he achieved with Wolves, taking a team up a few levels and galvanising a group of mouldable players with small egos for footballers (Nuno doesn’t like being challenged). Those opportunities, even when your agent and close friend is Mendes, don’t come around very often. So for now, it’s Al-Ittihad. He’ll be acutely aware of his reputation having taken a hit, but he’ll also know that being out of sight of European football means being out of mind. However well he does, it’s unlikely he’ll be there long, given Al-Ittihad have had 20 permanent managers since 2010. At Wolves, he transformed a team, a club and a city, conducting one of the best teams ever seen at the second level of English football. They may not have reached 100 points or broken records, but when Wolves were at their best in the Championship it was football from another league. He helped launch the top-level careers of not only Conor Coady and Doherty, but also Diogo Jota, Ruben Neves and Pedro Neto. He became a hero to his people. He took Wolves to places they didn’t think they would reach again. In short, he’s far too good to be out in Saudi Arabia, as is the astute and talented Cathro. If he ever does return to English football, he’ll forever receive a warm reception from Wolves supporters. Spurs fans? Possibly not so much. Ah, the “those close to” statement, i.e., we like to make shit up and couldn’t find someone to put their name to it 😂
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Post by davethebass on Dec 16, 2023 20:33:40 GMT
Yes he has come out and said he wants a project, if those close to him are to be believed, according to this article FullerMagic posted... Ah, the “those close to” statement, i.e., we like to make shit up and couldn’t find someone to put their name to it 😂 Haha fair point mate 😂
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 16, 2023 22:13:42 GMT
Making it up as they go alone 😂 But soon it'll no doubt be fact.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 16, 2023 22:16:29 GMT
I Just hope they’ve done everything they can to bring him to the club, if they have and he just doesn’t fancy the job then that’s fair enough, but I hope we’re not just playing out time before inevitably announcing Eustace! absolutely nothing against Eustace, but at present he’s not a name that will get the fans enthused and we badly need a manager who will spark the imagination, we’ve had too many middle of the road managers, another one would kill us off and won’t be long till we see 13-14k crowds again. Results will "spark the imagination", whatever that means, not some random name.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 16, 2023 22:22:34 GMT
Making it up as they go alone 😂 But soon it'll no doubt be fact. Who the hell are them pair of tits? What a load of bollocks
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 16, 2023 22:23:30 GMT
I Just hope they’ve done everything they can to bring him to the club, if they have and he just doesn’t fancy the job then that’s fair enough, but I hope we’re not just playing out time before inevitably announcing Eustace! absolutely nothing against Eustace, but at present he’s not a name that will get the fans enthused and we badly need a manager who will spark the imagination, we’ve had too many middle of the road managers, another one would kill us off and won’t be long till we see 13-14k crowds again. Results will "spark the imagination", whatever that means, not some random name. I think that's the point though. If it isn't a "random" name.. Someone like Nuno or Potter or Lampard .. It would get the crowd onside and up for it before a ball was kicked.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 16, 2023 22:26:04 GMT
Results will "spark the imagination", whatever that means, not some random name. I think that's the point though. If it isn't a "random" name.. Someone like Nuno or Potter or Lampard .. It would get the crowd onside and up for it before a ball was kicked. Lampard 😂😂😂😂 No winning games gets people on side, if Nuno were to come in and lost the first ten you'd still be all rainbows and sunshine because it's Nuno yeh? It'll take more than a name given the years of shite we've had to watch.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 16, 2023 22:26:39 GMT
No chance he’s coming here and I think he’d probably completely tank anyway once he realises how poor the squad is.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 16, 2023 22:28:05 GMT
Making it up as they go alone 😂 But soon it'll no doubt be fact. Who the hell are them pair of tits? What a load of bollocks I'm not saying they are right but a strong Independent manager with his own team is Martins worst nightmare
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 16, 2023 22:32:39 GMT
Just been looking at that Twitter feed. That Matt guy is saying Nuno met all the staff and players on Wednesday night. I smell horseshit.
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 16, 2023 22:35:51 GMT
I think that's the point though. If it isn't a "random" name.. Someone like Nuno or Potter or Lampard .. It would get the crowd onside and up for it before a ball was kicked. Lampard 😂😂😂😂 No winning games gets people on side, if Nuno were to come in and lost the first ten you'd still be all rainbows and sunshine because it's Nuno yeh? It'll take more than a name given the years of shite we've had to watch. "Winning games gets the people onside." Tony Pulis won a few games in the toughest league in the world. Quite a few didn't get "onside" with him. My point is that a "big name" now would give the fans a sliver of hope and excitement.. If SJE is appointed he will get my backing and support. Mainly because of his previous club association. I reckon that applies to most stokies.
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Post by 4doorsaloon on Dec 16, 2023 22:41:31 GMT
Not at all interested in eustace previous association with our club. He was at best an average footballer and mostly injured. It will be such an uninspiring appointment. I for one cant be arsed with him.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 16, 2023 22:42:16 GMT
That surely can’t be true. Jackanory lives on
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Post by ibby on Dec 16, 2023 22:50:32 GMT
Nuno meet club staffs for interview but not the players. God knows why the club has not pulled this off yet. Its a pity 😕
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 16, 2023 22:59:16 GMT
Nuno meet club staffs for interview but not the players. God knows why the club has not pulled this off yet. Its a pity 😕 Surely if anything you said here is true then the reason why they wouldn't go for him is obvious.... Ricky is heading the recruitment, if this was the option can anyone say they think he would still be in a job in 6 months or less??? I don't think he's done anything at all useful thus far for the club and I think he's full of bs. Nuno would never put up with him or his shocking recruitment
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Post by sportsman on Dec 16, 2023 23:01:20 GMT
Nuno meet club staffs for interview but not the players. God knows why the club has not pulled this off yet. Its a pity 😕 Surely if anything you said here is true then the reason why they wouldn't go for him is obvious.... Ricky is heading the recruitment, if this was the option can anyone say they think he would still be in a job in 6 months or less??? I don't think he's done anything at all useful thus far for the club and I think he's full of bs. Nuno would never put up with him or his shocking recruitment Unless they were Portuguese players like he had to put up with?
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 16, 2023 23:04:37 GMT
Surely if anything you said here is true then the reason why they wouldn't go for him is obvious.... Ricky is heading the recruitment, if this was the option can anyone say they think he would still be in a job in 6 months or less??? I don't think he's done anything at all useful thus far for the club and I think he's full of bs. Nuno would never put up with him or his shocking recruitment Unless they were Portuguese players like he had to put up with? He would probably ask what the fuck is going on, having had the experience of Mendez at wolves. We probably have the likes of Jim and Dave from Longton scouting youth teams like I experienced growing up, with no prior experience as major contributors to our vast scouting network. Times have changed. I don't think we have, or know how to.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 16, 2023 23:27:10 GMT
Lampard 😂😂😂😂 No winning games gets people on side, if Nuno were to come in and lost the first ten you'd still be all rainbows and sunshine because it's Nuno yeh? It'll take more than a name given the years of shite we've had to watch. "Winning games gets the people onside." Tony Pulis won a few games in the toughest league in the world. Quite a few didn't get "onside" with him. My point is that a "big name" now would give the fans a sliver of hope and excitement.. If SJE is appointed he will get my backing and support. Mainly because of his previous club association. I reckon that applies to most stokies. You ruined your own point by suggesting someone that's failed in every managerial position he's ever been in. The fans were plenty on side with Pulis, the atmosphere we used to have shows that, it got tough to watch though in the latter seasons and it was right to try something else. We won't get a big name, they don't go to bottom half Championship clubs.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 16, 2023 23:31:23 GMT
I’m surprised people are so against Heckingbottom. I think he’s organise and improve us quite quickly.
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 16, 2023 23:54:16 GMT
"Winning games gets the people onside." Tony Pulis won a few games in the toughest league in the world. Quite a few didn't get "onside" with him. My point is that a "big name" now would give the fans a sliver of hope and excitement.. If SJE is appointed he will get my backing and support. Mainly because of his previous club association. I reckon that applies to most stokies. You ruined your own point by suggesting someone that's failed in every managerial position he's ever been in. The fans were plenty on side with Pulis, the atmosphere we used to have shows that, it got tough to watch though in the latter seasons and it was right to try something else. We won't get a big name, they don't go to bottom half Championship clubs. The "point" I am making is that we've had successive "no name" appointments that have failed miserably. Why don't we try something different and give the fans at least at a bit of hope and excitement. Schumacher is the latest name from Plymouth. Yeh.. that's going to get the fans excited isn't it.
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