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Post by neddy on Dec 12, 2023 9:46:54 GMT
I’m sure the silence is contractual?
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 12, 2023 9:48:01 GMT
This is a great opportunity for all the players - disgruntaled with AN or otherwise - to start afresh and show everyone what they are capable of without the baggage of the last 6 months hanging around their necks.......I am looking forward to seeing them rise to the challeneg and wipe the floor with Swansea in my first visit to the B365 in 4 years
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 12, 2023 10:04:27 GMT
My HOPE is that all of our problems were down to AN being overly cautious and ending up making the players too scared to express themselves.
Take off the shackles and watch them tear up this league
That is my HOPE as I say, the reality is, sadly, likely to be somewhat different. Along the lines of a squad of players who aren't as good as they think they are with a manager who can't decide how to set them up and became too scared of losing to actually go out and try to win.
I really don't think there is going to be any quick fix to our season:
We lack pace, we lack energy, we lack creativity, we are weak in the tackle, we rarely get to the 2nd ball, we rarely beat the firs man with a cross, our passing is laboured and often inaccurate, our throw-ins always bounce making control more difficult enabling the opposition to close us down, we don't close down the opposition, we lack movement, we are shot shy and we are full of errors.
I want to see the team that wiped Coventry out last season, not the shower that struggled against Plymouth and Wednesday. Maybe they still have it in them, I'm not sure. I just HOPE we can get the right man in, and some additions in January, to make this season feel a little less like a total waste of effort
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Post by Xyphon on Dec 12, 2023 10:27:38 GMT
Laurent and campbell think they own the place, especially laurent. Statements that are both lazy and inaccurate and veering towards being racist - embarrassing. How on earth is this veering to wards being racist. When did i mention there race???
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Post by emretezzy on Dec 12, 2023 10:30:09 GMT
Statements that are both lazy and inaccurate and veering towards being racist - embarrassing. How on earth is this veering to wards being racist. When did i mention there race??? It's him who's read that to be racist mate. Says a million times more about him than you pal. Campbell especially swans round like he's up for the Balon'Dor
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Post by stokiedan17 on Dec 12, 2023 11:07:58 GMT
I’m sure the silence is contractual? Pretty sure there were a few messages for O’Neil when his time was up
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 12, 2023 11:37:25 GMT
Laurent and campbell think they own the place, especially laurent. Statements that are both lazy and inaccurate and veering towards being racist - embarrassing. Absolute fucking bollocks, potentially the worst post in the history of this messageboard.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 12, 2023 12:23:17 GMT
My HOPE is that all of our problems were down to AN being overly cautious and ending up making the players too scared to express themselves. Take off the shackles and watch them tear up this league That is my HOPE as I say, the reality is, sadly, likely to be somewhat different. Along the lines of a squad of players who aren't as good as they think they are with a manager who can't decide how to set them up and became too scared of losing to actually go out and try to win. I really don't think there is going to be any quick fix to our season: We lack pace, we lack energy, we lack creativity, we are weak in the tackle, we rarely get to the 2nd ball, we rarely beat the firs man with a cross, our passing is laboured and often inaccurate, our throw-ins always bounce making control more difficult enabling the opposition to close us down, we don't close down the opposition, we lack movement, we are shot shy and we are full of errors. I want to see the team that wiped Coventry out last season, not the shower that struggled against Plymouth and Wednesday. Maybe they still have it in them, I'm not sure. I just HOPE we can get the right man in, and some additions in January, to make this season feel a little less like a total waste of effort I think there is untapped talent in the side but I think the issues run way deeper than just releasing the shackles. In fact I think it's the other way round. There is no consistent pattern of play - we need to establish a way of playing where everybody knows their job and use that as a springboard for the quality to show itself. Neil has a reputation for adapting his tactics on a game by game basis and I think that was part of the problem - it was too much for a new squad to take on board. We need to simplify and get the basics right and move on from there.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 12, 2023 12:35:49 GMT
Don't be stupid. I would imagine the posters have these feelings due to them both being good mates and both come across as 'jokers' and 'class clowns' . Why do you have to make things about race? I think it is wrong to make statements like that about two individuals who can't reply on a public message Board without clear evidence that they think they "own the place" (whatever that means), and certainly a poster having a "feeling" or that the two individuals are "good mates" ( if true, what's wrong with that ?) or "jokers" (what's wrong with that ?) come nowhere near to that evidence. Genuine question - Why can’t they reply on a public message board? Club rules?
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 12, 2023 12:38:01 GMT
My HOPE is that all of our problems were down to AN being overly cautious and ending up making the players too scared to express themselves. Take off the shackles and watch them tear up this league That is my HOPE as I say, the reality is, sadly, likely to be somewhat different. Along the lines of a squad of players who aren't as good as they think they are with a manager who can't decide how to set them up and became too scared of losing to actually go out and try to win. I really don't think there is going to be any quick fix to our season: We lack pace, we lack energy, we lack creativity, we are weak in the tackle, we rarely get to the 2nd ball, we rarely beat the firs man with a cross, our passing is laboured and often inaccurate, our throw-ins always bounce making control more difficult enabling the opposition to close us down, we don't close down the opposition, we lack movement, we are shot shy and we are full of errors. I want to see the team that wiped Coventry out last season, not the shower that struggled against Plymouth and Wednesday. Maybe they still have it in them, I'm not sure. I just HOPE we can get the right man in, and some additions in January, to make this season feel a little less like a total waste of effort I think there is untapped talent in the side but I think the issues run way deeper than just releasing the shackles. In fact I think it's the other way round. There is no consistent pattern of play - we need to establish a way of playing where everybody knows their job and use that as a springboard for the quality to show itself. Neil has a reputation for adapting his tactics on a game by game basis and I think that was part of the problem - it was too much for a new squad to take on board. We need to simplify and get the basics right and move on from there. You nailed it - the guy never established a system of play before he started changing it (or whatever it was, I still can't tell) every game. You can't do that and get away with it, even in the Championship. Am getting to the point that I don't even care what system they do play, as long as they assemble/drill the players for it and we start looking like we have a clue. My interview questions: 1) Do you have a style of play? 2) Do you recruit for it? 3) Do you stay consistent so the playing staff can learn the system? 4) Do you make them actually practice the system? 5) Do you tolerate players who down tools? 6) Do you hear voices in your head? (Thanks Nathan Jones) If someone answers yes to the first 4 and no to number 5 & 6, then: "Welcome to Stoke - start moving your stuff in!" "Oh that's John Coates, don't listen to him, just smile like you agree then push on with whatever else you're doing."
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Post by femark on Dec 12, 2023 12:38:42 GMT
Laurent and campbell think they own the place, especially laurent. Statements that are both lazy and inaccurate and veering towards being racist - embarrassing. I'm intrigued, how are those statements veering towards being racist?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Dec 12, 2023 12:41:45 GMT
I think JM may remain quiet on this one. Astounding comment from him.
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Post by milton58 on Dec 12, 2023 12:45:04 GMT
Laurent and campbell think they own the place, especially laurent. Statements that are both lazy and inaccurate and veering towards being racist - embarrassing. what a wobble
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Post by kustokie on Dec 12, 2023 12:50:47 GMT
Let's remember that whatever we think about AN, these players have contributed massively to where we are. I am not surprised they haven't posted anything, they have collectively been diabolical and whatever tactics AN was trying to instill in them and whether he had lost the plot that should not have led to each and every individual putting in such lacklustre performances. If I was teleported in from outer space on Saturday and was told this was a game being played by professionals I would have been dumbstruck. Whatever AN's failings were he has been massively let down by this team, who have conspired to lose any semblance of footballing talent on an individual basis and need to look hard in the mirror at themselves... They were set up to fail by diabolical team selection (e.g., persisting with Gayle, dropping Lowe when he looked promising) and ridiculous substitutions (e.g., bringing in on Rose and Hoever when we needed a goal). Neil spent far too much time analyzing the opposition, which meant he chopped and changed every game, and not enough time establishing a vision and settled formation. The players never knew what was expected from game to game. In the end they lost faith and went through the motions.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 12, 2023 12:59:03 GMT
Statements that are both lazy and inaccurate and veering towards being racist - embarrassing. I'm intrigued, how are those statements veering towards being racist? Blacks being lazy has always been an unacceptable racial stereotype. However, that doesn’t mean some aren’t lazy. Campbell has always been lazy. So are some whites. Peter Dobing could have been the greatest player to ever pull on the red and white and earned a 100 caps for England. But he was very lazy and showed up only when he felt like it.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 12, 2023 13:16:41 GMT
I'm intrigued, how are those statements veering towards being racist? Blacks being lazy has always been an unacceptable racial stereotype. However, that doesn’t mean some aren’t lazy. Campbell has always been lazy. So are some whites. Peter Dobing could have been the greatest player to ever pull on the red and white and earned a 100 caps for England. But he was very lazy and showed up only when he felt like it. But that wasn’t what was said by the poster being accused of veering onto racism…
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Post by spiderpuss on Dec 12, 2023 13:27:40 GMT
Now Neil is out of the equation my hope is that the players feel a lot easier in how they go about their football. If Neil was spikey in front of the camera how spikey was he behind it. He just didn't seem measured or controlled at times. I also hope that we can pick players on form and tactics and not just to disappear for months on end, only to be introduced to the side "for some reason". AS for comms, I couldn't care less. We never heard from players years ago and quite frankly I'm happy were currently doing that.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 12, 2023 13:39:25 GMT
I think it is wrong to make statements like that about two individuals who can't reply on a public message Board without clear evidence that they think they "own the place" (whatever that means), and certainly a poster having a "feeling" or that the two individuals are "good mates" ( if true, what's wrong with that ?) or "jokers" (what's wrong with that ?) come nowhere near to that evidence. Genuine question - Why can’t they reply on a public message board? Club rules? Almost certainly. I think clubs all have such rules, which is not in the least surprising. But regardless of that, they would be trying to defend themselves against someone who has cast a slur on their character from behind an anonymous username without providing any basis for it. Even if they were allowed to reply, if I were advising them I would advise against it. They can't win. It is, I'm afraid a regrettable characteristic of modern social media that high profile figures can be personally and anonymously attacked in this way.
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Post by biddulphchav on Dec 12, 2023 14:11:53 GMT
Statements that are both lazy and inaccurate and veering towards being racist - embarrassing. How on earth is this veering to wards being racist. When did i mention there race??? It’s not racist at all. Both of those players have that big time attitude in my opinion too. Clucas was the same, I hated that arsehole. This is just a matter of attitude and how we perceive or interpret what they say, how they say it, their body language etc. To make it into an issue that somehow involves race just because both players are black is really uncalled for
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Post by femark on Dec 12, 2023 15:01:48 GMT
I'm intrigued, how are those statements veering towards being racist? Blacks being lazy has always been an unacceptable racial stereotype. However, that doesn’t mean some aren’t lazy. Campbell has always been lazy. So are some whites. Peter Dobing could have been the greatest player to ever pull on the red and white and earned a 100 caps for England. But he was very lazy and showed up only when he felt like it. There is nothing in the comment to suggest it's linking the colour of their skin to their work ethic. You are allowed to call someone lazy regardless of skin tone, but you cant assume that someone is lazy because of their skin tone. There is a big difference.
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Post by beats88 on Dec 12, 2023 15:15:04 GMT
Don't be stupid. I would imagine the posters have these feelings due to them both being good mates and both come across as 'jokers' and 'class clowns' . Why do you have to make things about race? I think it is wrong to make statements like that about two individuals who can't reply on a public message Board without clear evidence that they think they "own the place" (whatever that means), and certainly a poster having a "feeling" or that the two individuals are "good mates" ( if true, what's wrong with that ?) or "jokers" (what's wrong with that ?) come nowhere near to that evidence. I haven't said there is anything wrong with them being jokers or friends, I am simply saying there can be other reasons other than race, which was quite ridiculously being implied. To touch on your other point about being able to defend yourself on this board. You might as well close the place down if you can't have an opinion without evidence.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 12, 2023 15:58:44 GMT
I think it is wrong to make statements like that about two individuals who can't reply on a public message Board without clear evidence that they think they "own the place" (whatever that means), and certainly a poster having a "feeling" or that the two individuals are "good mates" ( if true, what's wrong with that ?) or "jokers" (what's wrong with that ?) come nowhere near to that evidence. I haven't said there is anything wrong with them being jokers or friends, I am simply saying there can be other reasons other than race, which was quite ridiculously being implied. To touch on your other point about being able to defend yourself on this board. You might as well close the place down if you can't have an opinion without evidence. With respect, what you actually did was to justify a poster who said "Laurent and campbell think they own the place, especially laurent" a personal, un-evidenced slur on two individuals who can't reply, by saying Don't be stupid. I would imagine the posters have these feelings due to them both being good mates and both come across as 'jokers' and 'class clowns' . All I was saying that the fact that they may be "good mates" or "jokers", even if true, does not in any way justify the OP making the personal attack on the two players which he/she did. Of course you are right that this Board is about having opinions on football, and Stoke City in particular. But I think there is a crucial difference between an opinion on a football matter, and an unsubstantiated personal allegation of that kind, delivered with the protection of anonymity. As fans, we should be better than that.
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Post by Xyphon on Dec 12, 2023 21:53:52 GMT
How on earth is this veering to wards being racist. When did i mention there race??? It’s not racist at all. Both of those players have that big time attitude in my opinion too. Clucas was the same, I hated that arsehole. This is just a matter of attitude and how we perceive or interpret what they say, how they say it, their body language etc. To make it into an issue that somehow involves race just because both players are black is really uncalled for Exactly, i just hate when people jump to sudden conclusions. In no way when i was writing it did i even think consider or come to mind of their skin colour.
Laurent played well today in all fairness to him though.
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Post by stokest5 on Dec 12, 2023 22:06:58 GMT
It’s not racist at all. Both of those players have that big time attitude in my opinion too. Clucas was the same, I hated that arsehole. This is just a matter of attitude and how we perceive or interpret what they say, how they say it, their body language etc. To make it into an issue that somehow involves race just because both players are black is really uncalled for Exactly, i just hate when people jump to sudden conclusions. In no way when i was writing it did i even think consider or come to mind of their skin colour.
Laurent played well today in all fairness to him though.
Wouldn’t say Laurent played well he just wasn’t has bad has normal. Uses more energy to chase down lost balls and give fouls away and moan to the ref than he doe’s actually trying to play. Noticed he wasn’t far behind Neil on Saturday to hurry straight off down the tunnel at full time
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 12, 2023 22:14:23 GMT
Exactly, i just hate when people jump to sudden conclusions. In no way when i was writing it did i even think consider or come to mind of their skin colour.
Laurent played well today in all fairness to him though.
Wouldn’t say Laurent played well he just wasn’t has bad has normal. Uses more energy to chase down lost balls and give fouls away and moan to the ref than he doe’s actually trying to play. Noticed he wasn’t far behind Neil on Saturday to hurry straight off down the tunnel at full time Laurent played well tonight
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Post by skip on Dec 12, 2023 22:23:27 GMT
Genuine question - Why can’t they reply on a public message board? Club rules? Almost certainly. I think clubs all have such rules, which is not in the least surprising. But regardless of that, they would be trying to defend themselves against someone who has cast a slur on their character from behind an anonymous username without providing any basis for it. Even if they were allowed to reply, if I were advising them I would advise against it. They can't win. It is, I'm afraid a regrettable characteristic of modern social media that high profile figures can be personally and anonymously attacked in this way. If I were to hypothetically not having seen eye to eye with a senior manager who had been 'let go' I wouldn't go onto social media to tell the world and her aunt what I thought. It's professional dignity.
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Post by stokest5 on Dec 12, 2023 22:30:35 GMT
Wouldn’t say Laurent played well he just wasn’t has bad has normal. Uses more energy to chase down lost balls and give fouls away and moan to the ref than he doe’s actually trying to play. Noticed he wasn’t far behind Neil on Saturday to hurry straight off down the tunnel at full time Laurent played well tonight Wouldn’t say anyone played well. Had a bit more urgency than we did on Saturday but still well below anything what’s expected.
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Post by Xyphon on Dec 12, 2023 22:44:17 GMT
Laurent played well tonight Wouldn’t say anyone played well. Had a bit more urgency than we did on Saturday but still well below anything what’s expected. Gooch was fantastic.
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