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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 11, 2023 14:09:58 GMT
I honestly think that he’ll turn out to be good for us as a squad player. His first match was impressive (I thought). Having Pearson sit just in front of a defence and then using Johnson as an 8 was just too negative. If he can go back to passing forwards (as he did when he first arrived) and move away from just doing the AN headless chicken midfield approach, I think he’d help to get something from Mmaee. Glad you’ve got faith out of our entire summer business those are two of my least favourite. Mmaee is so shit I might even prefer the cripple Wesley though I’d be loathe to play either. I just think that all of them have some strength that could see them better used than before. Wesley won’t run his bollocks off and he’s not the best in the air. Put a ball to his chest and have Bae run off him. Mmaee can’t hold a ball up, so having Bae nearby is kind of pointless. Use him when you have someone who will pass forwards and have him run off the shoulder. Our defence makes me very worried.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 11, 2023 14:14:48 GMT
Glad you’ve got faith out of our entire summer business those are two of my least favourite. Mmaee is so shit I might even prefer the cripple Wesley though I’d be loathe to play either. I just think that all of them have some strength that could see them better used than before. Wesley won’t run his bollocks off and he’s not the best in the air. Put a ball to his chest and have Bae run off him. Mmaee can’t hold a ball up, so having Bae nearby is kind of pointless. Use him when you have someone who will pass forwards and have him run off the shoulder. Our defence makes me very worried. Sorry Wesley can’t run not won’t he can’t even walk properly god knows how he passed a medical.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 11, 2023 14:18:14 GMT
Glad you’ve got faith out of our entire summer business those are two of my least favourite. Mmaee is so shit I might even prefer the cripple Wesley though I’d be loathe to play either. I just think that all of them have some strength that could see them better used than before. Wesley won’t run his bollocks off and he’s not the best in the air. Put a ball to his chest and have Bae run off him. Mmaee can’t hold a ball up, so having Bae nearby is kind of pointless. Use him when you have someone who will pass forwards and have him run off the shoulder. Our defence makes me very worried. Our defence makes loads of Stoke fans very worried inspite of the evidence we don’t concede an amount of goals to hold us back as numerous teams above have conceded more. So many Stoke fans want to mitigate being a low scoring team instead of addressing our real problem.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 11, 2023 14:22:50 GMT
I just think that all of them have some strength that could see them better used than before. Wesley won’t run his bollocks off and he’s not the best in the air. Put a ball to his chest and have Bae run off him. Mmaee can’t hold a ball up, so having Bae nearby is kind of pointless. Use him when you have someone who will pass forwards and have him run off the shoulder. Our defence makes me very worried. Our defence makes loads of Stoke fans very worried inspite of the evidence we don’t concede an amount of goals to hold us back as numerous teams above have conceded more. So many Stoke fans want to mitigate being a low scoring team instead of addressing our real problem. If you concede first in this division, you lose more often than not. The general tactic is get the early goal then sit back in the knowledge that most teams are too inept to carve you open unless you make a mistake. Stoke’s defence makes a lot of mistakes and concede so many early goals. I think that the formation is at fault for our lack of goals. The midfield and attack are too far from each other and everyone is isolated. If we still don’t score goals under the next manager (hopefully one who doesn’t play the same way) then I’ll be wrong for sure.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 11, 2023 14:34:26 GMT
Our defence makes loads of Stoke fans very worried inspite of the evidence we don’t concede an amount of goals to hold us back as numerous teams above have conceded more. So many Stoke fans want to mitigate being a low scoring team instead of addressing our real problem. If you concede first in this division, you lose more often than not. The general tactic is get the early goal then sit back in the knowledge that most teams are too inept to carve you open unless you make a mistake. Stoke’s defence makes a lot of mistakes and concede so many early goals. I think that the formation is at fault for our lack of goals. The midfield and attack are too far from each other and everyone is isolated. If we still don’t score goals under the next manager (hopefully one who doesn’t play the same way) then I’ll be wrong for sure. Not sure how logical that is. If it’s the general tactic in the division is to sit back how come almost every team in the league is comprehensively out scoring us over the entire season. They must all be scoring first in every game, dunno but I don’t think that’s possible have a think about it and give me a scenario in a world where it is.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 11, 2023 15:13:13 GMT
If you concede first in this division, you lose more often than not. The general tactic is get the early goal then sit back in the knowledge that most teams are too inept to carve you open unless you make a mistake. Stoke’s defence makes a lot of mistakes and concede so many early goals. I think that the formation is at fault for our lack of goals. The midfield and attack are too far from each other and everyone is isolated. If we still don’t score goals under the next manager (hopefully one who doesn’t play the same way) then I’ll be wrong for sure. Not sure how logical that is. If it’s the general tactic in the division is to sit back how come almost every team in the league is comprehensively out scoring us over the entire season. They must all be scoring first in every game, dunno but I don’t think that’s possible have a think about it and give me a scenario in a world where it is. Because teams that sit back play counter attacking football after. As the game wears on, the losing team must either accept defeat or throw more men forwards. When they do the latter, they often concede again. How many teams have pulled Stoke to pieces from start to finish this season? It doesn’t happen.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 11, 2023 15:27:27 GMT
Not sure how logical that is. If it’s the general tactic in the division is to sit back how come almost every team in the league is comprehensively out scoring us over the entire season. They must all be scoring first in every game, dunno but I don’t think that’s possible have a think about it and give me a scenario in a world where it is. Because teams that sit back play counter attacking football after. As the game wears on, the losing team must either accept defeat or throw more men forwards. When they do the latter, they often concede again. How many teams have pulled Stoke to pieces from start to finish this season? It doesn’t happen. If that were the case there’d be numerous teams in the division with a scoring record as bad as Stoke’s and the teams higher up who’ve won more games and lost less would have conceded less goals than us. Look at the table with goals for and against not just goal difference as many only show, it’s just not the case. We’ve conceded a good few less than numerous teams above us and only scored more than the teams below us. The only reason we haven’t been ripped apart is that has been the sole focus of our game plans. How many points have we thrown away trying to be cute instead of trying to absolutely batter the opposition. Good teams don’t go into their shell when they score they score again and again.
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Post by loosestools on Dec 11, 2023 17:33:39 GMT
They are all under the cosh, start again, no favourites, its the last chance saloon for any wasters.
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Post by yellowsnowman on Dec 11, 2023 17:38:44 GMT
Has not one said goodbye.... 🤣 kinda says it all really. Not even pearson or johnson, bet they have personally mind.
Hes no loss AN im buzzing hes gone. Just pray the next manager is right for us. 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
Lost the lot of em. Wow.
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Post by stokeyank on Dec 11, 2023 17:42:36 GMT
It goes to both sides in this. As a professional getting paid very well to play a kids game you should be giving total effort all the time. Still they are human. Anyone in any job who has no faith that their manager is competent or thinks their manager is full of shit is never going to be at their best. To me it felt like AN (and most before him) did not have the faith of they players in the locker room.
Also shows we have a lack of leaders in said locker room.
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Post by milky on Dec 11, 2023 17:51:46 GMT
I'd not expect the players to say anything tbh ,hopefully do their talking on the pitch tomorrow night.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 11, 2023 17:54:01 GMT
The three biggest wasters Laurent, Campbell and Baker were all here before Neil so this culture was already in place. It pisses me off when I hear they don't like the coaches or manager. I couldn't give a shit who they like. Play for your own professional pride you bunch of tossers and earn you ridiculous wages. I agree. Players never do this though. The bottom line is that they know the manager always carries the can. Players never accept responsibility for anything and will always shift the blame to someone else. Generally upwards. If my manager pissed me off and I generally thought they were a twat I wouldn’t to anything to assist them. I’d do enough to keep myself out of trouble and nothing more. I don’t get people who advocate bully boy managers I’d run rings round them and make them look bad. I don’t even think that’s a very recent development I’m no spring chicken. Maybe they’re only any good at managing suck ups.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 11, 2023 18:01:34 GMT
It's very very rare for any player of any club to comment when a manager gets sacked.
Why would people expect our players to say something??
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Post by pushon on Dec 11, 2023 22:03:00 GMT
It goes to both sides in this. As a professional getting paid very well to play a kids game you should be giving total effort all the time. Still they are human. Anyone in any job who has no faith that their manager is competent or thinks their manager is full of shit is never going to be at their best. To me it felt like AN (and most before him) did not have the faith of they players in the locker room. Also shows we have a lack of leaders in said locker room. Where is this mysterious locker room and is it multi-faith?
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Post by Xyphon on Dec 11, 2023 22:07:00 GMT
Alex's silence too, dont you think he would've apologised or a least said goodbye, all we got was the board talking about how good he was.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 11, 2023 22:34:24 GMT
It goes to both sides in this. As a professional getting paid very well to play a kids game you should be giving total effort all the time. Still they are human. Anyone in any job who has no faith that their manager is competent or thinks their manager is full of shit is never going to be at their best. To me it felt like AN (and most before him) did not have the faith of they players in the locker room. Also shows we have a lack of leaders in said locker room. I’m convinced Laurent & Campbell are a big part of the backstage malaise, and one of these individuals is the club captain. I’ve no evidence of this it’s just a feeling I’ve had for a while.
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Post by Xyphon on Dec 11, 2023 22:42:37 GMT
It goes to both sides in this. As a professional getting paid very well to play a kids game you should be giving total effort all the time. Still they are human. Anyone in any job who has no faith that their manager is competent or thinks their manager is full of shit is never going to be at their best. To me it felt like AN (and most before him) did not have the faith of they players in the locker room. Also shows we have a lack of leaders in said locker room. I’m convinced Laurent & Campbell are a big part of the backstage malaise, and one of these individuals is the club captain. I’ve no evidence of this it’s just a feeling I’ve had for a while. Laurent and campbell think they own the place, especially laurent.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Dec 12, 2023 1:21:15 GMT
We’ve seen some quality from the new players bought in ……Vidigal, Burger, hacksaw…..but no set structure of play as far as I’m concerned. We did look like the defence was getting better, then Wilmot out long term and Travers recalled, the wheels really fell off the bus then. We seem then to have a team where they are all scared of the ball and heaven forbid if they are in front of the goal, they are scared shitless of having a shot !! Preferring to pass the ball to some other fooker, so they can be responsible for the shot in the back of the Boothen end. …..as for penalty taking …here’s an idea Why not all practice taking a few each at the end of every training session, so that you’re actually pretty comfortable and competent at it …..instead of the rabbit in headlights look. We just keep heading backwards …the players need to develop some backbone and get a grip and take take some responsibility…….if they work hard on the pitch we will back them, if they stroll about and do nowt …..we will let them know…..
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Post by noustie on Dec 12, 2023 7:29:29 GMT
I've seen more communication and eye contact in a packed lift after someone has covertly unleashed a death fart.
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Post by hotterpotter on Dec 12, 2023 7:30:36 GMT
Let's face it whoever we get in to replace him it will be the same old story, ending in a ignominious sacking in a couple of years time. If Stoke was a saying it would be "a change is as good as a rest"
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Post by hotterpotter on Dec 12, 2023 7:34:01 GMT
It goes to both sides in this. As a professional getting paid very well to play a kids game you should be giving total effort all the time. Still they are human. Anyone in any job who has no faith that their manager is competent or thinks their manager is full of shit is never going to be at their best. To me it felt like AN (and most before him) did not have the faith of they players in the locker room. Also shows we have a lack of leaders in said locker room. Where is this mysterious locker room and is it multi-faith? I believe it's next to the laundromat. Where's Musik when you need him?
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Post by frasier37 on Dec 12, 2023 8:12:21 GMT
I've thought for a while whether...they're playing for the manager?
My thoughts now turn to the basic requirement...are they really playing for each other as a team?
We will soon find out I suppose
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Post by jm on Dec 12, 2023 8:16:42 GMT
I’m convinced Laurent & Campbell are a big part of the backstage malaise, and one of these individuals is the club captain. I’ve no evidence of this it’s just a feeling I’ve had for a while. Laurent and campbell think they own the place, especially laurent. Statements that are both lazy and inaccurate and veering towards being racist - embarrassing.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 12, 2023 8:57:30 GMT
I've thought for a while whether...they're playing for the manager? My thoughts now turn to the basic requirement...are they really playing for each other as a team? We will soon find out I suppose Nah, they are just hopeless.
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Post by beats88 on Dec 12, 2023 8:57:32 GMT
Laurent and campbell think they own the place, especially laurent. Statements that are both lazy and inaccurate and veering towards being racist - embarrassing. Don't be stupid. I would imagine the posters have these feelings due to them both being good mates and both come across as 'jokers' and 'class clowns' . Why do you have to make things about race?
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Post by Timmy on Dec 12, 2023 9:00:54 GMT
Laurent and campbell think they own the place, especially laurent. Statements that are both lazy and inaccurate and veering towards being racist - embarrassing. Laurent and Campbell as of late have been our better players. Burger on the other hand doesn't know that his legs are connected to his body 🤭 wollscheid esq.
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Post by frasier37 on Dec 12, 2023 9:02:10 GMT
I've thought for a while whether...they're playing for the manager? My thoughts now turn to the basic requirement...are they really playing for each other as a team? We will soon find out I suppose Nah, they are just hopeless.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 12, 2023 9:09:24 GMT
Statements that are both lazy and inaccurate and veering towards being racist - embarrassing. Don't be stupid. I would imagine the posters have these feelings due to them both being good mates and both come across as 'jokers' and 'class clowns' . Why do you have to make things about race? I think it is wrong to make statements like that about two individuals who can't reply on a public message Board without clear evidence that they think they "own the place" (whatever that means), and certainly a poster having a "feeling" or that the two individuals are "good mates" ( if true, what's wrong with that ?) or "jokers" (what's wrong with that ?) come nowhere near to that evidence.
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Post by march4 on Dec 12, 2023 9:14:02 GMT
I'd not expect the players to say anything tbh ,hopefully do their talking on the pitch tomorrow night. They were certainly telling the fans something on Saturday.
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Post by bertiestan on Dec 12, 2023 9:41:23 GMT
Laurent and campbell think they own the place, especially laurent. Statements that are both lazy and inaccurate and veering towards being racist - embarrassing. About as embarrassing as you saying it's about race🤦🏼♂️🙄
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