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Post by kev4chaz on Dec 1, 2023 18:57:38 GMT
Now we are knocking our current manager. Forget the rose coloured glasses The crowd hated lou playing five at the back and not Sandford left back even against Bath in the cup. The fans hated Pulis playing Woodgate at right back. Just saying.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 1, 2023 19:04:56 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Dec 1, 2023 20:07:54 GMT
Now we are knocking our current manager. Forget the rose coloured glasses The crowd hated lou playing five at the back and not Sandford left back even against Bath in the cup. The fans hated Pulis playing Woodgate at right back. Just saying. No excuses I don’t generally like football managers, I think they spoil a good game.
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Post by lordb on Dec 1, 2023 20:52:21 GMT
Now we are knocking our current manager. Forget the rose coloured glasses The crowd hated lou playing five at the back and not Sandford left back even against Bath in the cup. The fans hated Pulis playing Woodgate at right back. Just saying. That was Jordan (5 at the back v Bath) not Lou Macari could set up a defensive side all right but he could also set one up to attack Proper manager unlike Jordan
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 1, 2023 20:55:32 GMT
Now we are knocking our current manager. Forget the rose coloured glasses The crowd hated lou playing five at the back and not Sandford left back even against Bath in the cup. The fans hated Pulis playing Woodgate at right back. Just saying. And they got results, this clown doesn't
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Post by baconburger on Dec 1, 2023 20:59:23 GMT
Now we are knocking our current manager. Forget the rose coloured glasses The crowd hated lou playing five at the back and not Sandford left back even against Bath in the cup. The fans hated Pulis playing Woodgate at right back. Just saying. And they got results, this clown doesn't According to some stats posted today Pulis won 1 more of his first 64 games than AN and probably scored even less goals. Waddo wasn’t much better. I just don’t think teams with a defensive bias are anywhere near as successful now as they were a few decades ago.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 1, 2023 21:12:31 GMT
And they got results, this clown doesn't According to some stats posted today Pulis won 1 more of his first 64 games than AN and probably scored even less goals. Waddo wasn’t much better. I just don’t think teams with a defensive bias are anywhere near as successful now as they were a few decades ago. After that horrible defeat at Forest we started to look a side. We just look a mess after a year now . Imagine not knowing your best 11 after 13 months in charge
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 1, 2023 21:31:54 GMT
And they got results, this clown doesn't According to some stats posted today Pulis won 1 more of his first 64 games than AN and probably scored even less goals. Waddo wasn’t much better. I just don’t think teams with a defensive bias are anywhere near as successful now as they were a few decades ago. Most of those games though were our first season back in the Championship from League One. We were as you would expect, just barely competent in terms of quality but TP still saw us safe. Our squad now is 10x the quality we had 21 years ago. Yet we are still playing like a side that's just been promoted from League One. We should be where Ipswich are now if we had a half-decent manager.
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Post by jebbstuart on Dec 1, 2023 22:24:00 GMT
Macari had a plan and you could never say they did not try, same for Pulis not pretty but we gave it all.
Look at the shower we have now not 1 of them would have got in either a Macari or Pulis side.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 1, 2023 22:54:05 GMT
For the most Macari’s sides were bloody good to watch, certainky in his first spell. Solid at the back with no fucking about, play your football in the oppositions half, which we did bloody well
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Post by marylandstoke on Dec 1, 2023 23:17:51 GMT
For the most Macari’s sides were bloody good to watch, certainky in his first spell. Solid at the back with no fucking about, play your football in the oppositions half, which we did bloody well And they were no one’s fools either. There was a reason we had The Vicious Boys League.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 2, 2023 8:08:38 GMT
More apologist clap-trap for this dreadful manager - he’s a journeyman chancer and he’s taking the piss as well as a shed load of cash he does not deserve……
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 2, 2023 8:43:21 GMT
And they got results, this clown doesn't According to some stats posted today Pulis won 1 more of his first 64 games than AN and probably scored even less goals. Waddo wasn’t much better. I just don’t think teams with a defensive bias are anywhere near as successful now as they were a few decades ago. Waddo always built his teams around strong defences and mostly good keepers(Irvine being the exception). Can just remember the Waddington Wall in early 60s with Clamp, Kinnell, Allen & Stuart then again with Smith, Bloor, Pejic, Marsh. The latter 4 were stalwarts for several years with Farmer, Banks and then Shilton behind them.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 2, 2023 8:51:32 GMT
According to some stats posted today Pulis won 1 more of his first 64 games than AN and probably scored even less goals. Waddo wasn’t much better. I just don’t think teams with a defensive bias are anywhere near as successful now as they were a few decades ago. After that horrible defeat at Forest we started to look a side. We just look a mess after a year now . Imagine not knowing your best 11 after 13 months in charge Was on a corporate do for that game sat in with the forest fans. So bad it became amusing. Spoke to Clive Clarke after the game and asked him if we'll survive and he said yes but his face told a whole different story. Anyway turns out he guessed correctly 😆 Someone on here wrote one of the funniest parody summaries of the game at the time. Would love to read that again if anyone has the skills to find it. Was comedy gold 😆
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Post by baconburger on Dec 2, 2023 8:53:45 GMT
According to some stats posted today Pulis won 1 more of his first 64 games than AN and probably scored even less goals. Waddo wasn’t much better. I just don’t think teams with a defensive bias are anywhere near as successful now as they were a few decades ago. Most of those games though were our first season back in the Championship from League One. We were as you would expect, just barely competent in terms of quality but TP still saw us safe. Our squad now is 10x the quality we had 21 years ago. Yet we are still playing like a side that's just been promoted from League One. We should be where Ipswich are now if we had a half-decent manager. I completely agree but we’d only be where Ipswich are with a manager/head coach who get their teams scoring freely not a TP type. Our promotion season was an anomaly for him as his teams were not high scoring for the vast majority of his seasons as a manager at any club. Any idea of him being a serial winner is for the birds. AN has a similar approach in that his focus is far too keen on neutralising the other team rather than getting his team scoring an above average number of goals, he simply doesn’t try to do it by playing a low block. It’s not working out too well but then neither we’re Pulis’ tactics at the latter end of his career. Free scoring teams are at the top of nearly every league you care to look at. That is not achieved by putting all your focus on how to avoid conceding and thinking scoring goals from open play looks after itself.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 2, 2023 8:54:41 GMT
According to some stats posted today Pulis won 1 more of his first 64 games than AN and probably scored even less goals. Waddo wasn’t much better. I just don’t think teams with a defensive bias are anywhere near as successful now as they were a few decades ago. Waddo always built his teams around strong defences and mostly good keepers(Irvine being the exception). Can just remember the Waddington Wall in early 60s with Clamp, Kinnell, Allen & Stuart then again with Smith, Bloor, Pejic, Marsh. The latter 4 were stalwarts for several years with Farmer, Banks and then Shilton behind them. Read waddos book recently. I was amazed to hear that at one point stoke and man utd actually discussed a swap between Eddie Clamp and George Best. Think George was full swing into his wild days by then though.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 2, 2023 8:55:47 GMT
According to some stats posted today Pulis won 1 more of his first 64 games than AN and probably scored even less goals. Waddo wasn’t much better. I just don’t think teams with a defensive bias are anywhere near as successful now as they were a few decades ago. Waddo always built his teams around strong defences and mostly good keepers(Irvine being the exception). Can just remember the Waddington Wall in early 60s with Clamp, Kinnell, Allen & Stuart then again with Smith, Bloor, Pejic, Marsh. The latter 4 were stalwarts for several years with Farmer, Banks and then Shilton behind them. Yes it’s something that could work then and for a couple of decades after see George Graham. It doesn’t work in the modern era.
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Post by stokie1947 on Dec 2, 2023 9:09:25 GMT
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 2, 2023 12:24:54 GMT
Waddo always built his teams around strong defences and mostly good keepers(Irvine being the exception). Can just remember the Waddington Wall in early 60s with Clamp, Kinnell, Allen & Stuart then again with Smith, Bloor, Pejic, Marsh. The latter 4 were stalwarts for several years with Farmer, Banks and then Shilton behind them. Read waddos book recently. I was amazed to hear that at one point stoke and man utd actually discussed a swap between Eddie Clamp and George Best. Think George was full swing into his wild days by then though. Wasn’t it Denis Smith not Eddie Clamp?
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 2, 2023 12:42:45 GMT
People wanted a good young manager that plays attacking football and be more adventurous in the foreign market, we've done both.
3 promotions at the age of 42, I might be wrong but I think you'd struggle to find a young manager with that on their c.v at 42
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 2, 2023 12:56:24 GMT
You said GOOD
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Post by jokker on Dec 2, 2023 13:04:56 GMT
According to some stats posted today Pulis won 1 more of his first 64 games than AN and probably scored even less goals. Waddo wasn’t much better. I just don’t think teams with a defensive bias are anywhere near as successful now as they were a few decades ago. After that horrible defeat at Forest we started to look a side. We just look a mess after a year now . Imagine not knowing your best 11 after 13 months in charge This "knowing your best 11" is an outdated notion. In an age of rotation and resting certain players not to mention not playing half-fit players, there is no such thing as "your best 11". To outsiders not privy to inside club information it may look a mess, and maybe we are because we are not very good, but it need not have anything to with the rotation, resting certain players and not playing half-fit players. It must have slipped your attention, but Neil has not had 13 months with 75 % of the current squad. That's a risk he - and the board - took when they decided to let nearly everyone leave the club. That bringing in 18 new players might not work out as everyone fitting into the team was as likely, if not more so, than the possibility of it doing the job seems to have been a risk they thought was worth taking. I thought it was absolutely daft, but it might have clicked for enough players to work well together as a team and to get better results. It might still happen, but it will require more time, more patience, and don't panic by bringing in too many new players in January, because it could just as easily backfire, with even more upheaval, unsettled team and worse results.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 2, 2023 13:07:45 GMT
If Neil only could play our better players instead of insisting playing Gayle and Hoever! Last match gave me some hope of not seeing Gayle for a while, and I actually prefer defenders who can defend too. Hoever can't, and because of that I don't want him to play. We are too fragile to play defenders unable to defend!
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Post by Fred Merger on Dec 2, 2023 13:39:25 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 2, 2023 14:06:47 GMT
After that horrible defeat at Forest we started to look a side. We just look a mess after a year now . Imagine not knowing your best 11 after 13 months in charge This "knowing your best 11" is an outdated notion. In an age of rotation and resting certain players not to mention not playing half-fit players, there is no such thing as "your best 11". To outsiders not privy to inside club information it may look a mess, and maybe we are because we are not very good, but it need not have anything to with the rotation, resting certain players and not playing half-fit players. It must have slipped your attention, but Neil has not had 13 months with 75 % of the current squad. That's a risk he - and the board - took when they decided to let nearly everyone leave the club. That bringing in 18 new players might not work out as everyone fitting into the team was as likely, if not more so, than the possibility of it doing the job seems to have been a risk they thought was worth taking. I thought it was absolutely daft, but it might have clicked for enough players to work well together as a team and to get better results. It might still happen, but it will require more time, more patience, and don't panic by bringing in too many new players in January, because it could just as easily backfire, with even more upheaval, unsettled team and worse results. Very true but being able to put an 11 out to compete isn't
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Post by jokker on Dec 2, 2023 14:11:44 GMT
This "knowing your best 11" is an outdated notion. In an age of rotation and resting certain players not to mention not playing half-fit players, there is no such thing as "your best 11". To outsiders not privy to inside club information it may look a mess, and maybe we are because we are not very good, but it need not have anything to with the rotation, resting certain players and not playing half-fit players. It must have slipped your attention, but Neil has not had 13 months with 75 % of the current squad. That's a risk he - and the board - took when they decided to let nearly everyone leave the club. That bringing in 18 new players might not work out as everyone fitting into the team was as likely, if not more so, than the possibility of it doing the job seems to have been a risk they thought was worth taking. I thought it was absolutely daft, but it might have clicked for enough players to work well together as a team and to get better results. It might still happen, but it will require more time, more patience, and don't panic by bringing in too many new players in January, because it could just as easily backfire, with even more upheaval, unsettled team and worse results. Very true but being able to put an 11 out to compete isn't He hasn't failed in that regard, has he?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 2, 2023 14:13:19 GMT
Very true but being able to put an 11 out to compete isn't He hasn't failed in that regard, has he? His results say he doesn't have much of a clue in that front
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Post by jokker on Dec 2, 2023 14:18:30 GMT
He hasn't failed in that regard, has he? His results say he doesn't have much of a clue in that front Any manager can lose matches, that doesn't mean "he doesn't have much of a clue".
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 2, 2023 14:20:30 GMT
His results say he doesn't have much of a clue in that front Any manager can lose matches, that doesn't mean "he doesn't have much of a clue". Losing over half of their games suggests otherwise
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Post by baconburger on Dec 2, 2023 14:58:17 GMT
People wanted a good young manager that plays attacking football and be more adventurous in the foreign market, we've done both. 3 promotions at the age of 42, I might be wrong but I think you'd struggle to find a young manager with that on their c.v at 42 He’s very conservative for a youngish manager. No history of playing free scoring attacking football at any of his previous clubs.
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