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Post by Milkie on Nov 29, 2023 8:58:36 GMT
Including Premiership relegation Reads ( league games only)
P 287 W 86 D 82 L 119 P 340
an average of:
P 44 W 13 D 13 L 18 P 52
Or 6.4 seasons of relegation form, that is beyond depressing and they are so lucky that 20k still turn up week in, week out, myself included.
By comparison the worst 7 seasons in my life time 84 - 91 which included 2 relegations our record was:
P 308 W 86 D 89 L 132 P 347 at an average of 49 points per season.
We really are in a run that is up there with the worst of times in living memory, that cycle has to be broken and repeating it with same model similar manager clearly isn’t working. I fully appreciate what the Coates have done for us, but that recent record needs to be hammered to the board room door with a message stating it’s not the fans and a mirror!!
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Post by baconburger on Nov 29, 2023 9:05:48 GMT
Reads ( league games only) P 286 W 86 D 82 L 18 P 340 an average of: P 44 W 13 D 13 L 18 P 52 Or 6.4 seasons of relegation form, that is beyond depressing and they are so lucky that 20k still turn up week in, week out, myself included. By comparison the worst 6 seasons in my life time 84 - 91 which included 2 relegations our record was: P 308 W 86 D 89 L 132 P 347 at an average of 49 points per season. We really are in a run that is up there with the worst of times in living memory, that cycle has to be broken and repeating it with same model similar manager clearly isn’t working. I fully appreciate what the Coates have done for us, but that recent record needs to be hammered to the board room door with a message stating it’s not the fans and a mirror!! Our fans are anything but fickle we’re still turning out in very good numbers to witness this shit. The Coates will not appoint a progressive coach it’s not in their nature. Any idea of them trying anything different is prohibited by the ghost of Nathan Jones. |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 29, 2023 9:09:28 GMT
Reads ( league games only) P 286 W 86 D 82 L 18 P 340 an average of: P 44 W 13 D 13 L 18 P 52 Or 6.4 seasons of relegation form, that is beyond depressing and they are so lucky that 20k still turn up week in, week out, myself included. By comparison the worst 6 seasons in my life time 84 - 91 which included 2 relegations our record was: P 308 W 86 D 89 L 132 P 347 at an average of 49 points per season. We really are in a run that is up there with the worst of times in living memory, that cycle has to be broken and repeating it with same model similar manager clearly isn’t working. I fully appreciate what the Coates have done for us, but that recent record needs to be hammered to the board room door with a message stating it’s not the fans and a mirror!! It might be me being thick mate, but 18 losses from 286 games played ain't bad going... What’s that meant to be how many home games we lost last season? |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 29, 2023 9:10:15 GMT
If clubs who have no money,suddenly ended up the owners who have the kind of money the Coates have,I get they would be more successful than we have been,even with all that money we still haven't won a single bean.
We came close twice,FA Cup Final,League Cup Semi,yet after all these years under the Family,we have mainly failed.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 29, 2023 9:10:46 GMT
If clubs who have no money,suddenly ended up the owners who have the kind of money the Coates have,I bet they would be more successful than we have been,even with all that money we still haven't won a single bean. We came close twice,FA Cup Final,League Cup Semi,yet after all these years under the Family,we have mainly failed. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 29, 2023 9:13:01 GMT
Reads ( league games only) P 286 W 86 D 82 L 18 P 340 an average of: P 44 W 13 D 13 L 18 P 52 Or 6.4 seasons of relegation form, that is beyond depressing and they are so lucky that 20k still turn up week in, week out, myself included. By comparison the worst 6 seasons in my life time 84 - 91 which included 2 relegations our record was: P 308 W 86 D 89 L 132 P 347 at an average of 49 points per season. We really are in a run that is up there with the worst of times in living memory, that cycle has to be broken and repeating it with same model similar manager clearly isn’t working. I fully appreciate what the Coates have done for us, but that recent record needs to be hammered to the board room door with a message stating it’s not the fans and a mirror!! It might be me being thick mate, but 18 losses from 286 games played ain't bad going... Its meant to be 118, a clear typo so don't get your hope up 😉 |
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Post by theonlooker on Nov 29, 2023 9:15:01 GMT
Simply staggering stats.
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Post by Milkie on Nov 29, 2023 9:32:07 GMT
Good spot now edited it is 118 losses
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 29, 2023 9:41:14 GMT
Reads ( league games only) P 286 W 86 D 82 L 118 P 340 an average of: P 44 W 13 D 13 L 18 P 52 Or 6.4 seasons of relegation form, that is beyond depressing and they are so lucky that 20k still turn up week in, week out, myself included. By comparison the worst 6 seasons in my life time 84 - 91 which included 2 relegations our record was: P 308 W 86 D 89 L 132 P 347 at an average of 49 points per season. We really are in a run that is up there with the worst of times in living memory, that cycle has to be broken and repeating it with same model similar manager clearly isn’t working. I fully appreciate what the Coates have done for us, but that recent record needs to be hammered to the board room door with a message stating it’s not the fans and a mirror!! Blimey, we really have become a basket case of a club. Pound for pound and given our wealth we must be down there with the worst of the worst in the entire league structure. Appalling stats they are. This needs sending to JC asking him what the hell the plan is to correct it. Neil has to go. For whatever reason its just not going to happen for him here. He's had a year and a half nearly and I actually think we've got worse. No signs anywhere of things getting any better. The odd unbeaten run and then back to despair. Time to go. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 29, 2023 9:44:03 GMT
The support of this club is incredible. To turn out such big numbers home and away week in week out in spite of some of the most disgusting performances you'll see from a Stoke side - it deserves immense praise.
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Post by theoptimist on Nov 29, 2023 9:53:24 GMT
That really is horrific.
We are so lucky to avoid relegation with that record over time. Just shows the under achiever mindset at the club from the very top. We seem to dig in only to avoid disaster, but never to actually push on to improve.
Ambition? Don't make me laugh.
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 29, 2023 11:06:58 GMT
Including Premiership relegation Reads ( league games only) P 286 W 86 D 82 L 118 P 340 an average of: P 44 W 13 D 13 L 18 P 52 Or 6.4 seasons of relegation form, that is beyond depressing and they are so lucky that 20k still turn up week in, week out, myself included. By comparison the worst 7 seasons in my life time 84 - 91 which included 2 relegations our record was: P 308 W 86 D 89 L 132 P 347 at an average of 49 points per season. We really are in a run that is up there with the worst of times in living memory, that cycle has to be broken and repeating it with same model similar manager clearly isn’t working. I fully appreciate what the Coates have done for us, but that recent record needs to be hammered to the board room door with a message stating it’s not the fans and a mirror!! We will go down again. Mark my words, the malaise hasn’t bottomed out yet. We are going to have to repair ourselves in League 1. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 29, 2023 11:13:55 GMT
P 286 W 86 D 82 L 118 P 340
Just me or does it feel like we’ve actually been much worse than that?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 29, 2023 11:17:08 GMT
P 286 W 86 D 82 L 118 P 340 Just me or does it feel like we’ve actually been much worse than that? Probably due the expectations we had certainly in the first two Championship seasons and the fact that the only really good run of form in that period where we got nearly 90 points in 12 months was largely watched from home rather than the ground because of Covid. |
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Post by independent on Nov 29, 2023 23:22:15 GMT
It is even worse than you say. Take MONs. 122 points in 2 seasons away and what is the average then.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 29, 2023 23:35:55 GMT
It might be me being thick mate, but 18 losses from 286 games played ain't bad going... What’s that meant to be how many home games we lost last season? Stigger: it’s not the number of losses but the number of wins and draws that is important. Over the past 6 seasons we have thrown away way too many points from winning positions. yesterday was a prime example. We should seen that out because QPR are a bad team - in fact we were doing fine until the substitutions, which were necessary because they were knackered. But he should have brought on anyone but Hoever who can’t defend. Better to bring on Rose and play five across the back and three in front. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 29, 2023 23:37:27 GMT
It is even worse than you say. Take MONs. 122 points in 2 seasons away and what is the average then. Taking MON’s 128 games and 174 points away reduces it to: 166 points in 158 games. Bloody hell. |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 30, 2023 0:16:30 GMT
I did a similar bit of analysis recently, I did a five-year rolling average of our overall finishing position at the end of every season since the war, counting all the leagues (so for example our current position is 37, counting the Prem and the Champ).
As I recall the last five years are about our sixth- or seventh-worst period out of 75 such periods since the war.
All of this should completely put to bed any apologism about knowing our place and where we are being the natural order of things. How we are currently performing is not far off as bad as it generally gets for us. It can get worse, of course, and I’m more and more convinced that it probably will, tragically.
*edit- not quite as bad as I remembered, it's 15th-worst of 73. The period '91-'06 basically covers all the top positions.
Our best-ever five-year average was the last season of TP and the first four of LMH.
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Post by senojbor on Nov 30, 2023 0:38:29 GMT
When I first started watching Stoke in the 70's a home defeat was a rarity. Now we seemingly can't even put a side together to win half their home games.
This is by far the worst run in my time as a supporter.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Nov 30, 2023 7:21:08 GMT
Good spot now edited it is 118 losses Ok, that looks pretty poor now 😏 |
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Post by lordb on Nov 30, 2023 8:42:50 GMT
When I first started watching Stoke in the 70's a home defeat was a rarity. Now we seemingly can't even put a side together to win half their home games. This is by far the worst run in my time as a supporter. We've been much much worse, plumbed far worse depths but not for so long a time Relentless shitness is taking its toll |
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Nov 30, 2023 8:49:56 GMT
118 losses, wow.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 30, 2023 9:00:50 GMT
P 286 W 86 D 82 L 118 P 340 Just me or does it feel like we’ve actually been much worse than that? A win rate of less than 1 in 3 over that length of time is woeful for a club of our apparent means. Summats got to give it really has.... |
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Post by Bagwash on Nov 30, 2023 9:32:28 GMT
I know there are no gaurantees but when you factor in the money we have spent on transfer fees over that period....shameful.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 30, 2023 9:47:16 GMT
When I first started watching Stoke in the 70's a home defeat was a rarity. Now we seemingly can't even put a side together to win half their home games. This is by far the worst run in my time as a supporter. We've been much much worse, plumbed far worse depths but not for so long a time Relentless shitness is taking its toll We have but it didn't seem as bad. We had no money. We're just had 10 years in the PL and are owned by billionaires. WTAF? This is by far the worst in my time. |
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Post by march4 on Nov 30, 2023 9:54:42 GMT
And yet TP turned us from this to an established Prem team.
It was a miraculous achievement.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 30, 2023 9:56:48 GMT
And yet TP turned us from this to an established Prem team. It was a miraculous achievement. And they've thrown all that hard work away. Sad. |
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Post by lordb on Nov 30, 2023 9:58:57 GMT
We've been much much worse, plumbed far worse depths but not for so long a time Relentless shitness is taking its toll We have but it didn't seem as bad. We had no money. We're just had 10 years in the PL and are owned by billionaires. WTAF? This is by far the worst in my time. that is a very different factor of course, no FFP then though I think the Rowett (& to a lesser extent Jones) disastrous expensive signings was unprecedented at Stoke 1984/85, Alan Ball & Brian Little spells were far far worse than now but didn't last anywhere near as long |
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Post by LGH87 on Nov 30, 2023 9:59:57 GMT
The likes of Sunderland and Ipswich going to league one and coming up and going straight past us like we're not even there is utterly depressing.
They're also living, breathing proof that there could be life after the Coates which a lot on here struggle to believe and automatically think any other owners would just strip the club down.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2023 22:54:26 GMT
It’s why I struggle that anyone disagrees with my general view of this club and its owners over the time period. It just doesn’t make any sense. |
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