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Post by sheronsears on Nov 30, 2023 10:32:21 GMT
In As D-ream said Things can only get better
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 30, 2023 10:39:37 GMT
80% tats oot - pretty clear
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 30, 2023 11:41:08 GMT
59 times now, good luck to any manager that sees stoke as a good option with a poisonous fan base that the players are terrified of playing for. League 1 here we come. 😁 I think is a great job for the right manager. I get that you like Neil and backed him but it simply hasn't worked out. We've just gone on a 5 game unbeaten run, we lost 2, 1 of which we played the majority of the game with 10 men, there's no pleasing some folk
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 30, 2023 11:52:40 GMT
😁 I think is a great job for the right manager. I get that you like Neil and backed him but it simply hasn't worked out. We've just gone on a 5 game unbeaten run, we lost 2, 1 of which we played the majority of the game with 10 men, there's no pleasing some folk Some of your posts make sense, but have you seen his record? I mean in or out isn't really feeling the entire picture, but in or out if there's a viably better option available? Definitely has to be out? This season has been dreadful (again).
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 30, 2023 11:57:25 GMT
We've just gone on a 5 game unbeaten run, we lost 2, 1 of which we played the majority of the game with 10 men, there's no pleasing some folk Some of your posts make sense, but have you seen his record? I mean in or out isn't really feeling the entire picture, but in or out if there's a viably better option available? Definitely has to be out? This season has been dreadful (again). It really hasn't though if you take our situation into account. 18 new players to acclimatise & adjust for a quarter of the season, half had never played in England before, probably never even set foot in the country and they didn't get the benefit of a preseason to get ideas across. You're going to lose the odd game, that's football. You'd think our lives depend on it. All teams lose a game of football, how do you think man utd fans feel. What about Chelsea fans after spending gazillions on whoever cost the most. We're just plucky old stoke in a fairly even and competitive league. I think this notion of we're entitled to be the dogs nuts is crazy
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Post by blackpoolred on Nov 30, 2023 21:48:41 GMT
For those that want him out - think of the alternatives that the owners are likely to bring in.
One more window for me and then a good look at the entire setup if he cant turn it around
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Dec 1, 2023 0:07:58 GMT
OUT
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Post by tuum on Dec 1, 2023 3:35:10 GMT
The poll is trending downwards now that people have calmed down and started to objectively assess the options. When the poll first opened the hotheads with steam coming out their ears piled in and it was 88% for AN to go. When I voted it was about 86% then a few days ago it was 82%. Now it is at 78%. Win on Saturday it will be down to 70% and by Xmas if we continue (or when we start once more) picking up points the 'out' voters could be in the minority.
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 1, 2023 8:30:51 GMT
It’s embarrassing this poll, win the next couple of games and folk on here will be discussing the playoffs again Can we add an option for embarrassing? We won a couple in March but he decided to follow that with mind numbing incompetence and appeared to actually sacrifice the rest of the season. As a fan I think every game is important, AN didn’t seem to consider the end of last season worth the effort. We won a few in October. He followed that with 2 goals in 4 games.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 1, 2023 10:56:50 GMT
Some of your posts make sense, but have you seen his record? I mean in or out isn't really feeling the entire picture, but in or out if there's a viably better option available? Definitely has to be out? This season has been dreadful (again). It really hasn't though if you take our situation into account. 18 new players to acclimatise & adjust for a quarter of the season, half had never played in England before, probably never even set foot in the country and they didn't get the benefit of a preseason to get ideas across. You're going to lose the odd game, that's football. You'd think our lives depend on it. All teams lose a game of football, how do you think man utd fans feel. What about Chelsea fans after spending gazillions on whoever cost the most. We're just plucky old stoke in a fairly even and competitive league. I think this notion of we're entitled to be the dogs nuts is crazy You are not thinking about this holistically. We didn't have to get 18 new players from all over the globe, if we wanted championship stability we should have got players who would have been ready, it should have been the plan from day 1 and even a contingency plan in the prem. Our reserves should have wiped the floor (and did) with champ teams and we had the pick of the talent. Our youth players should have been much better than any champ players really, as they should have started to come through as top 10 prem players relatively early on. Anyway that is almost pointless now. We should not have added this obvious problem to what we now see. Niel has never ever done this in his career, and it's pretty much failing. This isn't just the odd game tho is it? We are much more likely to lose then win under Niel....
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Post by baconburger on Dec 1, 2023 16:04:49 GMT
It really hasn't though if you take our situation into account. 18 new players to acclimatise & adjust for a quarter of the season, half had never played in England before, probably never even set foot in the country and they didn't get the benefit of a preseason to get ideas across. You're going to lose the odd game, that's football. You'd think our lives depend on it. All teams lose a game of football, how do you think man utd fans feel. What about Chelsea fans after spending gazillions on whoever cost the most. We're just plucky old stoke in a fairly even and competitive league. I think this notion of we're entitled to be the dogs nuts is crazy You are not thinking about this holistically. We didn't have to get 18 new players from all over the globe, if we wanted championship stability we should have got players who would have been ready, it should have been the plan from day 1 and even a contingency plan in the prem. Our reserves should have wiped the floor (and did) with champ teams and we had the pick of the talent. Our youth players should have been much better than any champ players really, as they should have started to come through as top 10 prem players relatively early on. Anyway that is almost pointless now. We should not have added this obvious problem to what we now see. Niel has never ever done this in his career, and it's pretty much failing. This isn't just the odd game tho is it? We are much more likely to lose then win under Niel.... Looks like it’s failing? The model you prescribe is exactly what we’ve been trying to do since relegation and it more than looks like it’s failing it has failed miserably. Why this model gets such a brief opportunity despite the fact the players aquired look to have far more potential than the tried and tested in the English leagues shit we’ve been recruiting for the last 6 years or so.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 1, 2023 16:36:52 GMT
You are not thinking about this holistically. We didn't have to get 18 new players from all over the globe, if we wanted championship stability we should have got players who would have been ready, it should have been the plan from day 1 and even a contingency plan in the prem. Our reserves should have wiped the floor (and did) with champ teams and we had the pick of the talent. Our youth players should have been much better than any champ players really, as they should have started to come through as top 10 prem players relatively early on. Anyway that is almost pointless now. We should not have added this obvious problem to what we now see. Niel has never ever done this in his career, and it's pretty much failing. This isn't just the odd game tho is it? We are much more likely to lose then win under Niel.... Looks like it’s failing? The model you prescribe is exactly what we’ve been trying to do since relegation and it more than looks like it’s failing it has failed miserably. Why this model gets such a brief opportunity despite the fact the players aquired look to have far more potential than the tried and tested in the English leagues shit we’ve been recruiting for the last 6 years or so. It has been pretty clear that we have had players that were recruited without consideration, and no that plan that I started was never implemented hence our rapid decline Vs Leicester, burnley, Norwich etc etc doing alright. Can even go back as far as villa. They recruited to a system. What system did Rowett recruit to? And what the hell happened with Jones? Fast paced football with an average defensive age of 39? The current model is completely random. What pace do we have? And what control of games? Creativity? Strength? Ambition? I don't see this quality people talk about. There's random goals like burgers and then 10 shite games in between. People thought Vidigal was jesus' second coming and when played he's barely had a shot on goal, and is offside as often as we get a chance on goal. I could go on and on about the defence and no goalkeeper, so what the hell is this 'model' you are suggesting? I really hope we bin it at soon as possible it's shocking and it's landing us in another world of shit and ffp problems.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 1, 2023 16:49:30 GMT
Looks like it’s failing? The model you prescribe is exactly what we’ve been trying to do since relegation and it more than looks like it’s failing it has failed miserably. Why this model gets such a brief opportunity despite the fact the players aquired look to have far more potential than the tried and tested in the English leagues shit we’ve been recruiting for the last 6 years or so. It has been pretty clear that we have had players that were recruited without consideration, and no that plan that I started was never implemented hence our rapid decline Vs Leicester, burnley, Norwich etc etc doing alright. Can even go back as far as villa. They recruited to a system. What system did Rowett recruit to? And what the hell happened with Jones? Fast paced football with an average defensive age of 39? The current model is completely random. What pace do we have? And what control of games? Creativity? Strength? Ambition? I don't see this quality people talk about. There's random goals like burgers and then 10 shite games in between. People thought Vidigal was jesus' second coming and when played he's barely had a shot on goal, and is offside as often as we get a chance on goal. I could go on and on about the defence and no goalkeeper, so what the hell is this 'model' you are suggesting? I really hope we bin it at soon as possible it's shocking and it's landing us in another world of shit and ffp problems. The model is buying players of an age and potential we simply couldn’t afford from the English leagues and it certainly hasn’t contributed to our FFP woes. We’re £7/10M in the black on player trading in AN’s tenure. The Brexit mentality you advocate is what got us into the mess not the current recruitment model. The model deserves a reasonable chance to succeed or fail. It might need a more modern progressive coach/manager.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 1, 2023 19:28:31 GMT
It has been pretty clear that we have had players that were recruited without consideration, and no that plan that I started was never implemented hence our rapid decline Vs Leicester, burnley, Norwich etc etc doing alright. Can even go back as far as villa. They recruited to a system. What system did Rowett recruit to? And what the hell happened with Jones? Fast paced football with an average defensive age of 39? The current model is completely random. What pace do we have? And what control of games? Creativity? Strength? Ambition? I don't see this quality people talk about. There's random goals like burgers and then 10 shite games in between. People thought Vidigal was jesus' second coming and when played he's barely had a shot on goal, and is offside as often as we get a chance on goal. I could go on and on about the defence and no goalkeeper, so what the hell is this 'model' you are suggesting? I really hope we bin it at soon as possible it's shocking and it's landing us in another world of shit and ffp problems. The model is buying players of an age and potential we simply couldn’t afford from the English leagues and it certainly hasn’t contributed to our FFP woes. We’re £7/10M in the black on player trading in AN’s tenure. The Brexit mentality you advocate is what got us into the mess not the current recruitment model. The model deserves a reasonable chance to succeed or fail. It might need a more modern progressive coach/manager. I'm not saying only sign English/from the championship. I'm saying sign players who have a point to prove, have potential or are proven like Junior. He didn't break the bank and in his short while here I can honestly say he is probably the best player in the squad. The others I'm not sure, the championship is a poor division and they don't shine. It doesn't take that much, and the league hasn't changed dramatically at all. Organised teams who have players in position are generally doing fine. We aren't. A mix of risk taking and attribute/proven ability is surely the best way to go. Our model looks horrific. The signings are on par with players of boskamp era, and the football even worse still. There is a lot of hype just because the players we have signed are foreign, and Niel had the chance to sign whoever he wanted from a vast list of researched players.... Cherry picked...... Didn't he???! I don't think we needed this mess. We don't even have players playing in their favoured positions, and it looks like we replaced those that left with worse. So tell me, how is that a progressive model? It's erratic that's for sure.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 1, 2023 19:55:15 GMT
The model is buying players of an age and potential we simply couldn’t afford from the English leagues and it certainly hasn’t contributed to our FFP woes. We’re £7/10M in the black on player trading in AN’s tenure. The Brexit mentality you advocate is what got us into the mess not the current recruitment model. The model deserves a reasonable chance to succeed or fail. It might need a more modern progressive coach/manager. I'm not saying only sign English/from the championship. I'm saying sign players who have a point to prove, have potential or are proven like Junior. He didn't break the bank and in his short while here I can honestly say he is probably the best player in the squad. The others I'm not sure, the championship is a poor division and they don't shine. It doesn't take that much, and the league hasn't changed dramatically at all. Organised teams who have players in position are generally doing fine. We aren't. A mix of risk taking and attribute/proven ability is surely the best way to go. Our model looks horrific. The signings are on par with players of boskamp era, and the football even worse still. There is a lot of hype just because the players we have signed are foreign, and Niel had the chance to sign whoever he wanted from a vast list of researched players.... Cherry picked...... Didn't he???! I don't think we needed this mess. We don't even have players playing in their favoured positions, and it looks like we replaced those that left with worse. So tell me, how is that a progressive model? It's erratic that's for sure. We have several players of potential who have been signed in the previous summer Junior being one of them. Saying he’s the best player in the squad shows your strange level of perception . I don’t for a minute think that AN came up with the names and the ones he did are probably the most disappointing. I don’t really think he’s the bloke to take us forward tbh I never did. I think my worst fears about him are being realised (low scoring) and the situation is getting worse not better. How many players bought in in the Summer would we lose money on ?
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 2, 2023 0:16:25 GMT
I'm not saying only sign English/from the championship. I'm saying sign players who have a point to prove, have potential or are proven like Junior. He didn't break the bank and in his short while here I can honestly say he is probably the best player in the squad. The others I'm not sure, the championship is a poor division and they don't shine. It doesn't take that much, and the league hasn't changed dramatically at all. Organised teams who have players in position are generally doing fine. We aren't. A mix of risk taking and attribute/proven ability is surely the best way to go. Our model looks horrific. The signings are on par with players of boskamp era, and the football even worse still. There is a lot of hype just because the players we have signed are foreign, and Niel had the chance to sign whoever he wanted from a vast list of researched players.... Cherry picked...... Didn't he???! I don't think we needed this mess. We don't even have players playing in their favoured positions, and it looks like we replaced those that left with worse. So tell me, how is that a progressive model? It's erratic that's for sure. We have several players of potential who have been signed in the previous summer Junior being one of them. Saying he’s the best player in the squad shows your strange level of perception . I don’t for a minute think that AN came up with the names and the ones he did are probably the most disappointing. I don’t really think he’s the bloke to take us forward tbh I never did. I think my worst fears about him are being realised (low scoring) and the situation is getting worse not better. How many players bought in in the Summer would we lose money on ? He looks the best signing we have made, so yeah it's not that strange to consider him the best/probably having the most potential... Is it? Most look like average unsellable champ players on probably a decent wage. The average age is better but the overall squad standard is most probably worse. I don't think we will resell many if any for a profit after wages. Perhaps JunHo, but he's barely helping our cause thus far (whilst certainly not being the problem either). People talk about potential as if there is some evidence that these players can do well at this level or higher. Then you look at Blackburn and other clubs with multiple teenagers or early 20s in the team and realise how poor our recruitment has actually been.
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 2, 2023 12:19:53 GMT
It really hasn't though if you take our situation into account. 18 new players to acclimatise & adjust for a quarter of the season, half had never played in England before, probably never even set foot in the country and they didn't get the benefit of a preseason to get ideas across. You're going to lose the odd game, that's football. You'd think our lives depend on it. All teams lose a game of football, how do you think man utd fans feel. What about Chelsea fans after spending gazillions on whoever cost the most. We're just plucky old stoke in a fairly even and competitive league. I think this notion of we're entitled to be the dogs nuts is crazy You are not thinking about this holistically. We didn't have to get 18 new players from all over the globe, if we wanted championship stability we should have got players who would have been ready, it should have been the plan from day 1 and even a contingency plan in the prem. Our reserves should have wiped the floor (and did) with champ teams and we had the pick of the talent. Our youth players should have been much better than any champ players really, as they should have started to come through as top 10 prem players relatively early on. Anyway that is almost pointless now. We should not have added this obvious problem to what we now see. Niel has never ever done this in his career, and it's pretty much failing. This isn't just the odd game tho is it? We are much more likely to lose then win under Niel.... I don't count last season and the squad myself, that group of players were good for nothing, attacking or defending. I don't think anyone would disagree we needed a total clear out. Thing is, if you want to improve on them players with the right home grown/domestic based quality it's a going to cost a little for 18 new players. We've had to look abroad for value, but that has it pit falls in itself as in acclimatising to the country and it's type of football. Personally, I think there is much ado about nothing, I think we've good a good base to go into future windows with now the players have settled. With 18 new players I'm not sure how anyone could have had them playing as a cohesive unit very early doors, especially without a preseason together. What I'm seeing is a team of players that play for each other and the manager and give 110% which is a vast improvement on anything we've had in recent years. I do believe we need a couple of players in the right areas but the current crop I'm quite happy with, I thinkbwe could have done a lot worse. A finished article was never going to be done in one summer with so many players coming in, that would mean getting every single signing bang on, with 18 players coming in that must be pretty much unheard of. Very interested to see what we can do in January. For me, we're 2 or 3 players away from a good team, I don't understand why we would want to change manager before he's completed the team hes started to build from scratch, especially when hes got 3 promotions under his belt at the age of 42
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Post by steewee on Dec 2, 2023 17:01:02 GMT
Revised my vote. Turgid. I think we should disband the club.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 2, 2023 17:07:12 GMT
Fuck him off tonight
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 2, 2023 17:11:19 GMT
Some of the problems we have are; who do you replace him with? Do you wait until January? Who is out there that is any better that would realistically take the job? Who would come and work with the current backroom staff? Lets be brutally honest about this, would you want Wilder - Mr 5 at the back and watch his dull football, we don't have the players at the club to play his preferred system, John Eustace, did a decent job and unfairly sacked at Brum but is he going to take us forward or will he be AN MK2 in which case why change? I can't see JC looking abroad and Graham Potter wouldn't come here. Gouranga. Hassenhuthl
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 2, 2023 17:12:29 GMT
For those that want him out - think of the alternatives that the owners are likely to bring in. One more window for me and then a good look at the entire setup if he cant turn it around If they had any sense they would get Hassenhuthl
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 2, 2023 17:31:22 GMT
You are not thinking about this holistically. We didn't have to get 18 new players from all over the globe, if we wanted championship stability we should have got players who would have been ready, it should have been the plan from day 1 and even a contingency plan in the prem. Our reserves should have wiped the floor (and did) with champ teams and we had the pick of the talent. Our youth players should have been much better than any champ players really, as they should have started to come through as top 10 prem players relatively early on. Anyway that is almost pointless now. We should not have added this obvious problem to what we now see. Niel has never ever done this in his career, and it's pretty much failing. This isn't just the odd game tho is it? We are much more likely to lose then win under Niel.... I don't count last season and the squad myself, that group of players were good for nothing, attacking or defending. I don't think anyone would disagree we needed a total clear out. Thing is, if you want to improve on them players with the right home grown/domestic based quality it's a going to cost a little for 18 new players. We've had to look abroad for value, but that has it pit falls in itself as in acclimatising to the country and it's type of football. Personally, I think there is much ado about nothing, I think we've good a good base to go into future windows with now the players have settled. With 18 new players I'm not sure how anyone could have had them playing as a cohesive unit very early doors, especially without a preseason together. What I'm seeing is a team of players that play for each other and the manager and give 110% which is a vast improvement on anything we've had in recent years. I do believe we need a couple of players in the right areas but the current crop I'm quite happy with, I thinkbwe could have done a lot worse. A finished article was never going to be done in one summer with so many players coming in, that would mean getting every single signing bang on, with 18 players coming in that must be pretty much unheard of. Very interested to see what we can do in January. For me, we're 2 or 3 players away from a good team, I don't understand why we would want to change manager before he's completed the team hes started to build from scratch, especially when hes got 3 promotions under his belt at the age of 42 It has been very clearly explained, the 3 promotions have been with teams he has not built and they have been typically the best equipped teams in the league. There is no evidence be can do this. Last seasons team are present were better than this season's. Our ppg is dropping and Niel is now worse than crazy Nathan statistically. We can't score or defend. Our goals are over of the worst in the league and add to that the anomalous sporadic results... This is much much worse than under MON. He's failing. This team is certainly not 2 players away from being good. Plymouth are much better than us, Blackburn younger and hungrier, we are trash. Bottom 6 trash.
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 2, 2023 18:29:21 GMT
I don't count last season and the squad myself, that group of players were good for nothing, attacking or defending. I don't think anyone would disagree we needed a total clear out. Thing is, if you want to improve on them players with the right home grown/domestic based quality it's a going to cost a little for 18 new players. We've had to look abroad for value, but that has it pit falls in itself as in acclimatising to the country and it's type of football. Personally, I think there is much ado about nothing, I think we've good a good base to go into future windows with now the players have settled. With 18 new players I'm not sure how anyone could have had them playing as a cohesive unit very early doors, especially without a preseason together. What I'm seeing is a team of players that play for each other and the manager and give 110% which is a vast improvement on anything we've had in recent years. I do believe we need a couple of players in the right areas but the current crop I'm quite happy with, I thinkbwe could have done a lot worse. A finished article was never going to be done in one summer with so many players coming in, that would mean getting every single signing bang on, with 18 players coming in that must be pretty much unheard of. Very interested to see what we can do in January. For me, we're 2 or 3 players away from a good team, I don't understand why we would want to change manager before he's completed the team hes started to build from scratch, especially when hes got 3 promotions under his belt at the age of 42 It has been very clearly explained, the 3 promotions have been with teams he has not built and they have been typically the best equipped teams in the league. There is no evidence be can do this. Last seasons team are present were better than this season's. Our ppg is dropping and Niel is now worse than crazy Nathan statistically. We can't score or defend. Our goals are over of the worst in the league and add to that the anomalous sporadic results... This is much much worse than under MON. He's failing. This team is certainly not 2 players away from being good. Plymouth are much better than us, Blackburn younger and hungrier, we are trash. Bottom 6 trash. I don't know mate to be honest with you, it's not the football that's tiring me of this club, it's not the manager, it's not the players it's the people on here that call themselves supporters, not you in particular, but those that love to hate.
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Post by nickstokefc on Dec 2, 2023 18:37:09 GMT
In... needs another 2 windows, lets not turn into a watford
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 9, 2023 12:19:57 GMT
In... needs another 2 windows, lets not turn into a watford If he messes this window up you would really give him the summer? He should be gone if we are still in crisis Street the window but that may well be too late.... No way I would give him the summer if he can't turn this around with 1 more window. Mid table is the minimum ask this year and next year the pressure builds even more.
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Post by DC1863 on Dec 9, 2023 13:21:34 GMT
Of the two posters above I agree wholeheartedly with Nick.
Nick meanwhile is full of shit.
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