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Post by essexstokey on Nov 21, 2023 19:39:18 GMT
With the allowing via a vote today to allow them to loan players from there Saudi owners other clubs is ffp now dead as players can be bought by these clubs then loaned at a pittancecabd the other way gets expensive flops off the ballance sheet
Something I suggested for stoke a few years back
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Post by chiprockets on Nov 21, 2023 19:53:12 GMT
Wonder why sheff u voted in favour
Cannot possibly Mecca reason up
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Post by TinkerT on Nov 21, 2023 19:56:52 GMT
It's been a farce for years look at all the shit Watford have got away with down the years with udinese. I've said myself it's something stoke should do, Bonham to a random club for 20 million I hear you say? 🤔😉
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Post by Gods on Nov 21, 2023 19:58:19 GMT
With the allowing via a vote today to allow them to loan players from there Saudi owners other clubs is ffp now dead as players can be bought by these clubs then loaned at a pittancecabd the other way gets expensive flops off the ballance sheet Something I suggested for stoke a few years back I'm not sure I understood a single word of your post but I am certain you are on to something. I need to do some background reading on this topic. |
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Post by RF10 on Nov 21, 2023 20:26:12 GMT
It's not the end. It's was a vote for January and will be re voted for the Summer.
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 21, 2023 20:34:23 GMT
It's not the end. It's was a vote for January and will be re voted for the Summer. It's still a show of premier league power which is only going one way. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 21, 2023 21:19:30 GMT
FFP in its current form is probably on its way but everything is up for grabs with the new football body. At the end of the day clubs has a big say in FFP - the new body has a remit secure the future of football and the power to impose a solution if needs. How they actually operate remains to be seen.
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 21, 2023 21:22:20 GMT
Wonder why sheff u voted in favour Cannot possibly Mecca reason up If clubs with existing conflicts of interest were made to abstain, then it likely wouldn’t have passed. This will stay in place now I reckon. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Nov 21, 2023 21:30:30 GMT
With the allowing via a vote today to allow them to loan players from there Saudi owners other clubs is ffp now dead as players can be bought by these clubs then loaned at a pittancecabd the other way gets expensive flops off the ballance sheet Something I suggested for stoke a few years back Who is them? |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 21, 2023 21:41:34 GMT
It's been a farce for years look at all the shit Watford have got away with down the years with udinese. I've said myself it's something stoke should do, Bonham to a random club for 20 million I hear you say? 🤔😉 I wouldn't sell him for quadruple that. Best keeper in English football 😉 |
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Post by Veritas on Nov 21, 2023 23:04:25 GMT
Confirmation, that we really didn't need, that football is totally and irreparably corrupt. I will continue with my season ticket at Stoke but have no interest in any other club or international competition.
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Post by march4 on Nov 21, 2023 23:36:02 GMT
FFP needs to go along with the ridiculous transfer windows.
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Post by pushon on Nov 21, 2023 23:54:17 GMT
Confirmation, that we really didn't need, that football is totally and irreparably corrupt. I will continue with my season ticket at Stoke but have no interest in any other club or international competition. I totally agree with this sentiment, but must admit that I'm becoming less and less concerned with even SCFC under current discontented atmosphere. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 21, 2023 23:59:46 GMT
Haven’t Watford been doing this for years?
As soon as rules are out in to “create fairness”, some ass will always be looking for ways to bend them.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 22, 2023 8:17:46 GMT
Question is with bet365bbehind us why arnt we
Buy some lowly European teams buy the players we want loan them to stoke then loan our dross back at full wages and loan fees would soon create a healthy balance sheet
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Post by LGH87 on Nov 22, 2023 8:55:06 GMT
Question is with bet365bbehind us why arnt we Buy some lowly European teams buy the players we want loan them to stoke then loan our dross back at full wages and loan fees would soon create a healthy balance sheet Have you not seen the mess they've made of running us the last 7 years. Imagine if they had two clubs to take of......jeeeeeze  (Jon Coates ruled it out in that meet the club meeting in the summer when asked about it) |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 22, 2023 9:34:30 GMT
With the allowing via a vote today to allow them to loan players from there Saudi owners other clubs is ffp now dead as players can be bought by these clubs then loaned at a pittancecabd the other way gets expensive flops off the ballance sheet Something I suggested for stoke a few years back pittancecabd Couldn't agree more! |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 22, 2023 11:32:44 GMT
I feel like this decision is just another nail in the coffin for our football, any kind of reasonable competitiveness in the sport, and further demonstrates the increasing level of domination and influence the Saudis are having in world sport. God knows what has gone on behind the scenes.
Sad day.
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 22, 2023 12:58:56 GMT
I feel like this decision is just another nail in the coffin for our football, any kind of reasonable competitiveness in the sport, and further demonstrates the increasing level of domination and influence the Saudis are having in world sport. God knows what has gone on behind the scenes. Sad day. It was fucked the second the Premier League was founded. The only way to revive it would be to allow the mega clubs to fuck off to a super league. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 22, 2023 13:08:15 GMT
With the allowing via a vote today to allow them to loan players from there Saudi owners other clubs is ffp now dead as players can be bought by these clubs then loaned at a pittancecabd the other way gets expensive flops off the ballance sheet Something I suggested for stoke a few years back Yes, I do believe the price of bananas is too high |
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 22, 2023 13:19:47 GMT
I feel like this decision is just another nail in the coffin for our football, any kind of reasonable competitiveness in the sport, and further demonstrates the increasing level of domination and influence the Saudis are having in world sport. God knows what has gone on behind the scenes. Sad day. It was fucked the second the Premier League was founded. The only way to revive it would be to allow the mega clubs to fuck off to a super league. That would completely fuck the domestic game. Despite their dominance, part of the lure of being in the Premier League for less affluent teams is being able to play the likes of City, United, Liverpool etc. Who’s gonna get excited about a home match against Burnley? |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 22, 2023 13:44:22 GMT
It was fucked the second the Premier League was founded. The only way to revive it would be to allow the mega clubs to fuck off to a super league. That would completely fuck the domestic game. Despite their dominance, part of the lure of being in the Premier League for less affluent teams is being able to play the likes of City, United, Liverpool etc. Who’s gonna get excited about a home match against Burnley? I don't think it would. Who's excited about watching massive clubs banjo little ones? The only premier league games I watch are the elite clubs playing each other. Similarly the only Champions League games I watch are the big games. If games are competitive then I'll watch - I'll watch a park game if they are evenly matched. The situation we've got now - particularly in other leagues - is the logical extension of what happens when you give big clubs the power. All the money and talent gets concentrated and the sporting side dies. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 22, 2023 13:52:08 GMT
That would completely fuck the domestic game. Despite their dominance, part of the lure of being in the Premier League for less affluent teams is being able to play the likes of City, United, Liverpool etc. Who’s gonna get excited about a home match against Burnley? I don't think it would. Who's excited about watching massive clubs banjo little ones? The only premier league games I watch are the elite clubs playing each other. Similarly the only Champions League games I watch are the big games. If games are competitive then I'll watch - I'll watch a park game if they are evenly matched. The situation we've got now - particularly in other leagues - is the logical extension of what happens when you give big clubs the power. All the money and talent gets concentrated and the sporting side dies. Not sure that happens so much. There's always been dominant clubs, Liverpool then Man U then Man City in my time. Nothing has changed. In fact in recent times we've witnessed the biggest shock top flight winners possibly in history I would have no problem with a club being bought and breaking into the big 4 with financial clout rather than the same old every season. The big clubs in the Prem don't brush the other sides aside every week like we see in say Scotland, is competitive enough from top to bottom in general although of course it will happen |
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Post by noustie on Nov 22, 2023 13:53:18 GMT
Why not buy Arbroath for peanuts and send any semi decent youth player up for experience? Have Arbroath spunk a load on transfers then loan them to us and they get back whatever we no longer give a shit about. They'd be in the SPL within a year so the cast offs would still be in the shop window if football become their driving factor.
FFP genuinely is an absolute farce - we must be the world's richest skint club!!
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 22, 2023 13:55:52 GMT
Why not buy Arbroath for peanuts and send any semi decent youth player up for experience? Have Arbroath spunk a load on transfers then loan them to us and they get back whatever we no longer give a shit about. They'd be in the SPL within a year so the cast offs would still be in the shop window if football become their driving factor. FFP genuinely is an absolute farce - we must be the world's richest skint club!! I don't understand why money men don't buy a Hearts or Hibs etc. If ever was a potential CL club is someone like that as you basically have to be better than Celtic. |
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Post by noustie on Nov 22, 2023 14:26:53 GMT
Why not buy Arbroath for peanuts and send any semi decent youth player up for experience? Have Arbroath spunk a load on transfers then loan them to us and they get back whatever we no longer give a shit about. They'd be in the SPL within a year so the cast offs would still be in the shop window if football become their driving factor. FFP genuinely is an absolute farce - we must be the world's richest skint club!! I don't understand why money men don't buy a Hearts or Hibs etc. If ever was a potential CL club is someone like that as you basically have to be better than Celtic. They shit themselves when that mad Lithuanian bloke bought Hearts and they finished second 2005/6 after starting with 10 wins out of 12 and being undefeated. All they would need is someone with a bit of wedge to buy up young Scottish talent/ loan from down south and progress in Europe as they're not weighed down with expensive shite so would be a complete clean slate - Rangers and Celtic aren't ready for someone to break the duopoly and if someone does there would be absolute mayhem. If Bet365 paid Championship wages in the SPL they'd immediately be competitive - Aberdeen's weekly wage is apparently £75k in total!! |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 22, 2023 16:07:35 GMT
I don't understand why money men don't buy a Hearts or Hibs etc. If ever was a potential CL club is someone like that as you basically have to be better than Celtic. They shit themselves when that mad Lithuanian bloke bought Hearts and they finished second 2005/6 after starting with 10 wins out of 12 and being undefeated. All they would need is someone with a bit of wedge to buy up young Scottish talent/ loan from down south and progress in Europe as they're not weighed down with expensive shite so would be a complete clean slate - Rangers and Celtic aren't ready for someone to break the duopoly and if someone does there would be absolute mayhem. If Bet365 paid Championship wages in the SPL they'd immediately be competitive - Aberdeen's weekly wage is apparently £75k in total!! Very true, yep |
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Post by bristolcityinpeace on Nov 23, 2023 0:22:41 GMT
I would say not. Everton docked 10 for one thing, brought more into line with the EFL model, something of which I certainly approve.
Can't just take the piss, still has to be fair value. Watford were referred in April for the Kamara transaction with Udinese so that presumably is still ongoing.
However the key aspect to these RPTs is if a downward adjustment, something La Liga have done before btw, is material to the 3 year loss limit. If it isn't then it is not such a big deal albeit may impact on later years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 10:37:37 GMT
FFP is not dead ( unfortunately) but it is corrupted .
Absolutely totally corrupted and being used for the very opposite of what it theoretically stands for.
If Newcastle/ man city/ PSG buy an expensive flop then they can sell them to the family in the middle east for even more than the stupid amount they paid for them in the first place.
Expensive successes like say erling Haaland can be sold on for Massive profits ( 100 million plus ?) And expensive flops ( neymar ) can be sold on for a profit too And expensive, were good now getting past it ( Mahrez?) Can also be sold for a profit.
So fantasy ( certainly not realistic)profits everywhere you look , all ways round. A carte blanche to Newcastle/ man city /PSG to get away with anything. Get it right, get away with it.Get it wrong, get away with it.
And let's say for arguments sake the owners of stoke city, would like to make some Newcastle/ man city type gambles of their own ...no chance...the rules forbid it ! ...can't be done !
FFP is alive and enforcing a rigid closed shop .
No new faces sitting at the top table forever more ...it's the rules .
It's not sport .
It's not sporting .
It's anything but , but it is alive , like COVID , the flu and poverty.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 24, 2023 14:11:06 GMT
FFP is not dead ( unfortunately) but it is corrupted . Absolutely totally corrupted and being used for the very opposite of what it theoretically stands for. If Newcastle/ man city/ PSG buy an expensive flop then they can sell them to the family in the middle east for even more than the stupid amount they paid for them in the first place. Expensive successes like say erling Haaland can be sold on for Massive profits ( 100 million plus ?) And expensive flops ( neymar ) can be sold on for a profit too And expensive, were good now getting past it ( Mahrez?) Can also be sold for a profit. So fantasy ( certainly not realistic)profits everywhere you look , all ways round. A carte blanche to Newcastle/ man city /PSG to get away with anything. Get it right, get away with it.Get it wrong, get away with it. And let's say for arguments sake the owners of stoke city, would like to make some Newcastle/ man city type gambles of their own ...no chance...the rules forbid it ! ...can't be done ! FFP is alive and enforcing a rigid closed shop . No new faces sitting at the top table forever more ...it's the rules . It's not sport . It's not sporting . It's anything but , but it is alive , like COVID , the flu and poverty. Aren't Newcastle a new team at the top of the table! Never won anything in my lifetime and certainly can be a threat soon |
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