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Post by musik on Nov 18, 2023 10:14:51 GMT
I find the odd political parties more amusing than the rest, and especially the free-thinkers. And it's a shame we only have a National Election every fourth year in Sweden. I could understand the reasons why though; to make a change you have to get some time.
Some of the odd political parties only participate in the local municipality election and/or the regional election - we have three geographical levels of elections on Voting day.
Here a free-thinker on the right side suggested: the societal child money should only be given to the parents with the highest incomes, if any, and only to the parents with 1 or 2 children. He was pushing the newly SD suggestion on this, even further.
And we should switch the system with money to the sick out of work temporarily to a system with money to the healthy ones working.
I think he saw the advantages with a bonus system. The story doesn't say how the ones with nothing but sickness and no job therefore could survive.
Maybe he thought it could lead to incentives to stay healthy? Maybe he thought it would diminish the amount of short periods of sickness at different work places, if people with a cold came to work instead of being at home 2-3 days?
Is it a good solution?
Discuss.
Any other odd suggestions you've heard?
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 18, 2023 10:43:58 GMT
I find the odd political parties more amusing than the rest, and especially the free-thinkers. And it's a shame we only have a National Election every fourth year in Sweden. I could understand the reasons why though; to make a change you have to get some time. Some of the odd political parties only participate in the local municipality election and/or the regional election - we have three geographical levels of elections on Voting day. Here a free-thinker on the right side suggested: the societal child money should only be given to the parents with the highest incomes, if any, and only to the parents with 1 or 2 children. He was pushing the newly SD suggestion on this, even further. And we should switch the system with money to the sick out of work temporarily to a system with money to the healthy ones working. I think he saw the advantages with a bonus system. The story doesn't say how the ones with nothing but sickness and no job therefore could survive. Maybe he thought it could lead to incentives to stay healthy? Maybe he thought it would diminish the amount of short periods of sickness at different work places, if people with a cold came to work instead of being at home 2-3 days? Is it a good solution? Discuss. Any other odd suggestions you've heard? I get the logic of wealthy people wanting to give more wealth to their friends, so most of these policies aren’t that shocking. However, wouldn’t going into work sick just infect everyone else at work and reduce corporate profits? I don’t get the logic behind that one. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 18, 2023 10:54:55 GMT
Sounds a lot like social darwinism to me.
Let the sick and poor struggle to find their own cures and jobs, or die.
Think we've been there before...
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 18, 2023 13:15:10 GMT
I find the odd political parties more amusing than the rest, and especially the free-thinkers. And it's a shame we only have a National Election every fourth year in Sweden. I could understand the reasons why though; to make a change you have to get some time. Some of the odd political parties only participate in the local municipality election and/or the regional election - we have three geographical levels of elections on Voting day. Here a free-thinker on the right side suggested: the societal child money should only be given to the parents with the highest incomes, if any, and only to the parents with 1 or 2 children. He was pushing the newly SD suggestion on this, even further. And we should switch the system with money to the sick out of work temporarily to a system with money to the healthy ones working. I think he saw the advantages with a bonus system. The story doesn't say how the ones with nothing but sickness and no job therefore could survive. Maybe he thought it could lead to incentives to stay healthy? Maybe he thought it would diminish the amount of short periods of sickness at different work places, if people with a cold came to work instead of being at home 2-3 days? Is it a good solution? Discuss. Any other odd suggestions you've heard? Given that until 1976 Sweden was running a eugenics program based on the forced sterilisation of thousands of its own people I suppose this counts as progress. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 18, 2023 13:46:00 GMT
And we should switch the system with money to the sick out of work temporarily to a system with money to the healthy ones working. I think he saw the advantages with a bonus system. The story doesn't say how the ones with nothing but sickness and no job therefore could survive. Maybe just build some gas chambers and get rid of the disabled as they don’t contribute to society like good, honest tax payers do? The chambers will soon pay for themselves and it’s a better, cheaper alternative than just letting them rot in the streets. |
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Post by musik on Nov 18, 2023 15:00:41 GMT
I find the odd political parties more amusing than the rest, and especially the free-thinkers. And it's a shame we only have a National Election every fourth year in Sweden. I could understand the reasons why though; to make a change you have to get some time. Some of the odd political parties only participate in the local municipality election and/or the regional election - we have three geographical levels of elections on Voting day. Here a free-thinker on the right side suggested: the societal child money should only be given to the parents with the highest incomes, if any, and only to the parents with 1 or 2 children. He was pushing the newly SD suggestion on this, even further. And we should switch the system with money to the sick out of work temporarily to a system with money to the healthy ones working. I think he saw the advantages with a bonus system. The story doesn't say how the ones with nothing but sickness and no job therefore could survive. Maybe he thought it could lead to incentives to stay healthy? Maybe he thought it would diminish the amount of short periods of sickness at different work places, if people with a cold came to work instead of being at home 2-3 days? Is it a good solution? Discuss. Any other odd suggestions you've heard? I get the logic of wealthy people wanting to give more wealth to their friends, so most of these policies aren’t that shocking. However, wouldn’t going into work sick just infect everyone else at work and reduce corporate profits? I don’t get the logic behind that one. My first thought too. No consequence thinking whatsoever. |
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Post by musik on Nov 18, 2023 15:01:39 GMT
Sounds a lot like social darwinism to me. Let the sick and poor struggle to find their own cures and jobs, or die. Think we've been there before... Socialism eeh? 🤔 No matter what, I find it idiotic. |
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Post by musik on Nov 18, 2023 15:04:35 GMT
I find the odd political parties more amusing than the rest, and especially the free-thinkers. And it's a shame we only have a National Election every fourth year in Sweden. I could understand the reasons why though; to make a change you have to get some time. Some of the odd political parties only participate in the local municipality election and/or the regional election - we have three geographical levels of elections on Voting day. Here a free-thinker on the right side suggested: the societal child money should only be given to the parents with the highest incomes, if any, and only to the parents with 1 or 2 children. He was pushing the newly SD suggestion on this, even further. And we should switch the system with money to the sick out of work temporarily to a system with money to the healthy ones working. I think he saw the advantages with a bonus system. The story doesn't say how the ones with nothing but sickness and no job therefore could survive. Maybe he thought it could lead to incentives to stay healthy? Maybe he thought it would diminish the amount of short periods of sickness at different work places, if people with a cold came to work instead of being at home 2-3 days? Is it a good solution? Discuss. Any other odd suggestions you've heard? Given that until 1976 Sweden was running a eugenics program based on the forced sterilisation of thousands of its own people I suppose this counts as progress. In around 1974-75 I had to go to the school doctor where they measured my head. I had an extremely China friendly communist teacher who saw China as Paradise, as my responsible class teacher. |
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Post by musik on Nov 18, 2023 15:12:16 GMT
And we should switch the system with money to the sick out of work temporarily to a system with money to the healthy ones working. I think he saw the advantages with a bonus system. The story doesn't say how the ones with nothing but sickness and no job therefore could survive. Maybe just build some gas chambers and get rid of the disabled as they don’t contribute to society like good, honest tax payers do? The chambers will soon pay for themselves and it’s a better, cheaper alternative than just letting them rot in the streets. I don't think the free-thinking politician included the disabled, but I've heard one person a long time ago express that wish too. He's not a politician though, a real pusher for the bizarre idea you should be able to decide yourself when it's time to die. It clearly shows it could be very dangerous to introduce such a system, since some of the disabled can't decide personally. He would be the first to push the button. |
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Post by Goonie on Nov 18, 2023 15:15:04 GMT
I was really hoping Brexit would have revolutionised British politics with the death of the European question and ukip but it generated a greater rightwing groundswell than I could ever of imagined.
What we need in the UK is a new, pragmatic party devoid of ideology other than the wish to make Britain a happier, safer place to live on par with Scandinavian countries.
I can dream
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Post by musik on Nov 18, 2023 15:18:27 GMT
make Britain a happier, safer place to live on par with Scandinavian countries. Safer? Where? Finland? Iceland perhaps. |
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Post by satoshi on Nov 18, 2023 16:30:06 GMT
Sounds a lot like social darwinism to me. Let the sick and poor struggle to find their own cures and jobs, or die. Think we've been there before... A strange comment from a hardcore socialist? |
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Post by felonious on Nov 18, 2023 17:12:54 GMT
Sounds a lot like social darwinism to me. Let the sick and poor struggle to find their own cures and jobs, or die. Think we've been there before... A strange comment from a hardcore socialist? That would be a whoosh..... |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 18, 2023 17:21:00 GMT
I was really hoping Brexit would have revolutionised British politics with the death of the European question and ukip but it generated a greater rightwing groundswell than I could ever of imagined. What we need in the UK is a new, pragmatic party devoid of ideology other than the wish to make Britain a happier, safer place to live on par with Scandinavian countries. I can dream Can you think of anywhere where that has happened? It's not a trick question - I'm tryingvto think myself. Most 'new' parties around the world are either populist, idealogical or pressure groups focussed on a narrow agenda (Brext, Green, separatism etc) Macron is the nearest I can think of in recent times - a new centrist party and a new broom that came from nowhere, but in the end turned out to be more of the same. I'm afraid that I now fear that the nature of politics is such that it forbids what you're hoping for. Just to get into position to pitch you need finance which never comes without strings attached, and once you gather momentum it get's even worse. Ultimately all politicians are either 'owned' or manipulated by wealthy backers of some description who want something in return. And if they're not, they're nowhere near power. |
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Post by Goonie on Nov 18, 2023 19:49:59 GMT
make Britain a happier, safer place to live on par with Scandinavian countries. Safer? Where? Finland? Iceland perhaps. Not just physically safe but financially, fuel and food |
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Post by Goonie on Nov 18, 2023 19:52:32 GMT
I was really hoping Brexit would have revolutionised British politics with the death of the European question and ukip but it generated a greater rightwing groundswell than I could ever of imagined. What we need in the UK is a new, pragmatic party devoid of ideology other than the wish to make Britain a happier, safer place to live on par with Scandinavian countries. I can dream Can you think of anywhere where that has happened? It's not a trick question - I'm tryingvto think myself. Most 'new' parties around the world are either populist, idealogical or pressure groups focussed on a narrow agenda (Brext, Green, separatism etc) Macron is the nearest I can think of in recent times - a new centrist party and a new broom that came from nowhere, but in the end turned out to be more of the same. I'm afraid that I now fear that the nature of politics is such that it forbids what you're hoping for. Just to get into position to pitch you need finance which never comes without strings attached, and once you gather momentum it get's even worse. Ultimately all politicians are either 'owned' or manipulated by wealthy backers of some description who want something in return. And if they're not, they're nowhere near power. Maybe we'll embrace AI like in an Asimov story and instead of putting our faith in fallable corrupt humans AI will manage our economy, overseas policy and laws We just need some infallible humans to programme them....... |
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 18, 2023 20:24:11 GMT
Can you think of anywhere where that has happened? It's not a trick question - I'm tryingvto think myself. Most 'new' parties around the world are either populist, idealogical or pressure groups focussed on a narrow agenda (Brext, Green, separatism etc) Macron is the nearest I can think of in recent times - a new centrist party and a new broom that came from nowhere, but in the end turned out to be more of the same. I'm afraid that I now fear that the nature of politics is such that it forbids what you're hoping for. Just to get into position to pitch you need finance which never comes without strings attached, and once you gather momentum it get's even worse. Ultimately all politicians are either 'owned' or manipulated by wealthy backers of some description who want something in return. And if they're not, they're nowhere near power. Maybe we'll embrace AI like in an Asimov story and instead of putting our faith in fallable corrupt humans AI will manage our economy, overseas policy and laws We just need some infallible humans to programme them....... If AI input was via an infallible human then we'd all be like Chinese Communism where, for the greater good of the many, free thinkers were liquidated and rogue religious entities were controlled like the Uyghurs are now. Eventually, AI would eradicate all religions. Food for thought there. OS. |
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Post by musik on Nov 18, 2023 21:46:36 GMT
Safer? Where? Finland? Iceland perhaps. Not just physically safe but financially, fuel and food Sweden have just declared (tv news report Fri) we have the worst economic growth in the whole of EU in 2023. And 2024 will be just as bad or even worse. |
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