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Post by J-Roar on Nov 5, 2023 16:20:20 GMT
It’s the Last Post, then silence. Not applause. Not the reverse way round. It’s not difficult. You don’t applaud the person playing the Last Post. As well intentioned as that may be, that’s not how it works. It’s a SILENCE. Some traditions don’t need narcissists putting their own “stamp” on them. Applause AFTER the silence is fine. Thing is, there was absolutely no ill intent yesterday whatsoever. I don't think it was narcissism that led to people clapping the bugler, they just don't listen or are incapable of retaining information for more than 30 seconds. The fact it seems to happen every year since the addition of a bugler playing 'The Last Post' is pretty annoying, but I'd hazard a guess that it's mostly the same dickwads who get caught out every year. It really does sound like you're both desperate to be annoyed. Do you also go round inspecting people's poppies to check that the leaf is worn at the correct '11 o'clock' angle?
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Post by Absolution on Nov 5, 2023 16:50:37 GMT
Thing is, there was absolutely no ill intent yesterday whatsoever. I don't think it was narcissism that led to people clapping the bugler, they just don't listen or are incapable of retaining information for more than 30 seconds. The fact it seems to happen every year since the addition of a bugler playing 'The Last Post' is pretty annoying, but I'd hazard a guess that it's mostly the same dickwads who get caught out every year. It really does sound like you're both desperate to be annoyed. Do you also go round inspecting people's poppies to check that the leaf is worn at the correct '11 o'clock' angle? Yet you seem more annoyed than we do. Ah well.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Nov 5, 2023 17:00:51 GMT
Why is it played at football matches? 1) Remembrance day is observed at pretty much every public function across the UK. Why would/should football be any different? 2) Many well known footballers of their day went out and fought and died in both World Wars. What's wrong with other clubs and players remembering those fellow players and members of the footballing family that fell? 3) Many of the supporters will have family members that have died in conflicts over the years and will want to pay their respects.
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Post by generationex on Nov 5, 2023 17:21:31 GMT
Noticed Luton played the last post after the minutes silence today.
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Post by matelot1996 on Nov 5, 2023 17:24:32 GMT
It’s a clumsy way of doing it that requires a certain assumed intelligence of those football fans taking part. I’ve seen it done better ways. Silence first then seamless transition into last post. That way, the minority of thick fuckers tend to stay quiet throughout.
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Post by stokeson on Nov 5, 2023 17:38:11 GMT
Why is it played at football matches? 1) Remembrance day is observed at pretty much every public function across the UK. Why would/should football be any different? 2) Many well known footballers of their day went out and fought and died in both World Wars. What's wrong with other clubs and players remembering those fellow players and members of the footballing family that fell? 3) Many of the supporters will have family members that have died in conflicts over the years and will want to pay their respects. I come from a military family who has lost members in WW2 Iraq and the falklands.Ive paid my respects at The National Memorial Arboretum and the Cenotaph on two occasions. Didnt use to happen at Football stadia just wondered why now....
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Post by GRUMPY 1 on Nov 5, 2023 18:48:16 GMT
I removed my hat yesterday.... got a few funny looks from fellow fans who are older than me thought they would know better
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Post by GRUMPY 1 on Nov 5, 2023 18:50:15 GMT
You should also remove your headwear, where worn, unless in the military. Old school I know, but correct procedure.
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Post by GRUMPY 1 on Nov 5, 2023 18:53:29 GMT
Noticed Luton played the last post after the minutes silence today. One bugler played The Last post and during the minutes silence a second bugler played The Reverie followed by the refs whistle to end the proceedings.
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Post by spiderpuss on Nov 5, 2023 22:33:18 GMT
Noticed Luton played the last post after the minutes silence today. One bugler played The Last post and during the minutes silence a second bugler played The Reverie followed by the refs whistle to end the proceedings. Would seem to be the best way around of doing things. People not knowing protocol will tend to clap if it's a good bit of bugling, which it was. I think there's also a but of "minutes silence fatigue" seeping in. I think this is about the 3/4 match in a row with a minute's silence for something (including England games). They are all important, but every game is meaning it's not special any more. IE It's going to become a bit like that knee thing if we keep doing it.
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 6, 2023 10:52:38 GMT
One bugler played The Last post and during the minutes silence a second bugler played The Reverie followed by the refs whistle to end the proceedings. Would seem to be the best way around of doing things. People not knowing protocol will tend to clap if it's a good bit of bugling, which it was. I think there's also a but of "minutes silence fatigue" seeping in. I think this is about the 3/4 match in a row with a minute's silence for something (including England games). They are all important, but every game is meaning it's not special any more. IE It's going to become a bit like that knee thing if we keep doing it. There's generally 90 minutes of silence in the John Smith's Lower. Very respectful bunch.
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 6, 2023 10:57:01 GMT
It really does sound like you're both desperate to be annoyed. Do you also go round inspecting people's poppies to check that the leaf is worn at the correct '11 o'clock' angle? Yet you seem more annoyed than we do. Ah well. I get annoyed around all the shit that goes with remembrance Sunday. It's moved from a respectful event which I support into a fucking jamboree where people try to outdo each other to show how respectful they are, or moan that someone isn't wearing a poppy on telly, or buy better poppies to show they are more respectful. I do wear a poppy btw.
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Post by Absolution on Nov 6, 2023 11:50:36 GMT
Yet you seem more annoyed than we do. Ah well. I get annoyed around all the shit that goes with remembrance Sunday. It's moved from a respectful event which I support into a fucking jamboree where people try to outdo each other to show how respectful they are, or moan that someone isn't wearing a poppy on telly, or buy better poppies to show they are more respectful. I do wear a poppy btw. I've got no interest in a dick measuring, virtue signalling contest - I agree that people should be free to choose whether to buy or wear a poppy. I just get annoyed at stupidity - as I said in the post that you first commented on, no one meant any disrespect. It's just that the same thing happens every year after the tannoy announcement and onscreen message clearly indicated what was meant to happen. If it was a one off, I doubt I'd have commented. Anyway, no harm done, and it was pleasing that once the silence kicked in, it was impeccably observed by both sets of supporters.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 6, 2023 12:20:52 GMT
Yet you seem more annoyed than we do. Ah well. I get annoyed around all the shit that goes with remembrance Sunday. It's moved from a respectful event which I support into a fucking jamboree where people try to outdo each other to show how respectful they are, or moan that someone isn't wearing a poppy on telly, or buy better poppies to show they are more respectful. I do wear a poppy btw. I can't see a single example of anyone trying to outdo each other. All in your mind. If some clubs do it differently, so what? No right or wrong way
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 6, 2023 12:34:04 GMT
I completely respect the remembrance but I've always been undecided as to whether it should be done in sporting venues. It's very poignant and death/war is something we all need to be respectful of and be educated by past events.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 6, 2023 12:54:22 GMT
Is anyone actually arsed about this?
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Post by JudgeMental on Nov 6, 2023 13:12:14 GMT
Can't the fans read what it said on the screens prior to the start of the Last Post! No - they're more than likely on the concourse, still on the "ale"*. * Shit overpriced lager.
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 6, 2023 13:37:17 GMT
I get annoyed around all the shit that goes with remembrance Sunday. It's moved from a respectful event which I support into a fucking jamboree where people try to outdo each other to show how respectful they are, or moan that someone isn't wearing a poppy on telly, or buy better poppies to show they are more respectful. I do wear a poppy btw. I can't see a single example of anyone trying to outdo each other. All in your mind. If some clubs do it differently, so what? No right or wrong way I'm not on about on here. I'm on about in general. If you can't see it you must be blind. I couldn't give a shit what any other clubs do.
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 6, 2023 13:44:27 GMT
If you want to see how it shouldn't be done try to find a clip of the buglers at Newcastle yesterday. They put it up on their own twitter feed with some quote about a perfect tribute etc but then seemed to take it down when they realised. The problem was that they had two buglers who were so out of tune you couldn't help but laugh. Somebody commented that they'd done a brilliant job to get Les Dawson to come and play.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 6, 2023 13:51:01 GMT
I feel for the poor lad yesterday who now has to meet Steve Cooper.
Hasn't he suffered enough?
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 6, 2023 14:01:17 GMT
I get annoyed around all the shit that goes with remembrance Sunday. It's moved from a respectful event which I support into a fucking jamboree where people try to outdo each other to show how respectful they are, or moan that someone isn't wearing a poppy on telly, or buy better poppies to show they are more respectful. I do wear a poppy btw. I can't see a single example of anyone trying to outdo each other. All in your mind. If some clubs do it differently, so what? No right or wrong way If J-Roar is commenting on general society trying to outdo each other then they’re absolutely spot on. Not so long ago (before social media) folk just wore a poppy, there’d be a march with some cubs/scouts etc and that was your lot. Now we have towns dressed in massive poppies. A pub down the road from me painted its whole building in poppies, they’d say as a sign of respect, I’d say using the death of millions of soldiers as a publicity stunt. Eventually each exaggeration becomes the norm so folk have to go further. On the point of Stoke at the weekend, I’m in the grumpy camp that would much rather the crowd maintained their silence until the end of the minutes silence, as it should it, as fans were instructed it should be. Not that I think anyone in particular was being disrespectful, that’s just how I think it should be.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 6, 2023 14:08:42 GMT
I can't see a single example of anyone trying to outdo each other. All in your mind. If some clubs do it differently, so what? No right or wrong way If J-Roar is commenting on general society trying to outdo each other then they’re absolutely spot on. Not so long ago (before social media) folk just wore a poppy, there’d be a march with some cubs/scouts etc and that was your lot. Now we have towns dressed in massive poppies. A pub down the road from me painted its whole building in poppies, they’d say as a sign of respect, I’d say using the death of millions of soldiers as a publicity stunt. Eventually each exaggeration becomes the norm so folk have to go further. On the point of Stoke at the weekend, I’m in the grumpy camp that would much rather the crowd maintained their silence until the end of the minutes silence, as it should it, as fans were instructed it should be. Not that I think anyone in particular was being disrespectful, that’s just how I think it should be. The Blacksmiths in Kingsley Holt by any chance?
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 6, 2023 14:15:26 GMT
If J-Roar is commenting on general society trying to outdo each other then they’re absolutely spot on. Not so long ago (before social media) folk just wore a poppy, there’d be a march with some cubs/scouts etc and that was your lot. Now we have towns dressed in massive poppies. A pub down the road from me painted its whole building in poppies, they’d say as a sign of respect, I’d say using the death of millions of soldiers as a publicity stunt. Eventually each exaggeration becomes the norm so folk have to go further. On the point of Stoke at the weekend, I’m in the grumpy camp that would much rather the crowd maintained their silence until the end of the minutes silence, as it should it, as fans were instructed it should be. Not that I think anyone in particular was being disrespectful, that’s just how I think it should be. The Blacksmiths in Kingsley Holt by any chance? Yeah that’s the one.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 6, 2023 14:36:11 GMT
I can't see a single example of anyone trying to outdo each other. All in your mind. If some clubs do it differently, so what? No right or wrong way If J-Roar is commenting on general society trying to outdo each other then they’re absolutely spot on. Not so long ago (before social media) folk just wore a poppy, there’d be a march with some cubs/scouts etc and that was your lot. Now we have towns dressed in massive poppies. A pub down the road from me painted its whole building in poppies, they’d say as a sign of respect, I’d say using the death of millions of soldiers as a publicity stunt. Eventually each exaggeration becomes the norm so folk have to go further. On the point of Stoke at the weekend, I’m in the grumpy camp that would much rather the crowd maintained their silence until the end of the minutes silence, as it should it, as fans were instructed it should be. Not that I think anyone in particular was being disrespectful, that’s just how I think it should be. I don't think they are in any way Different places do it different ways. No competition involved for me No right or wrong way, neither silence or applause is correct or incorrect. Who makes the rules on how to behave? Both are respectful and hurting no one
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 6, 2023 14:38:14 GMT
If J-Roar is commenting on general society trying to outdo each other then they’re absolutely spot on. Not so long ago (before social media) folk just wore a poppy, there’d be a march with some cubs/scouts etc and that was your lot. Now we have towns dressed in massive poppies. A pub down the road from me painted its whole building in poppies, they’d say as a sign of respect, I’d say using the death of millions of soldiers as a publicity stunt. Eventually each exaggeration becomes the norm so folk have to go further. On the point of Stoke at the weekend, I’m in the grumpy camp that would much rather the crowd maintained their silence until the end of the minutes silence, as it should it, as fans were instructed it should be. Not that I think anyone in particular was being disrespectful, that’s just how I think it should be. I don't think they are in any way Different places do it different ways. No competition involved for me No right or wrong way, neither silence or applause is correct or incorrect. Who makes the rules on how to behave? Both are respectful and hurting no one I don’t agree with you but respect your view all the same. With what’s going on in the world it’s relatively unimportant anyway.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 6, 2023 15:09:29 GMT
I don't think they are in any way Different places do it different ways. No competition involved for me No right or wrong way, neither silence or applause is correct or incorrect. Who makes the rules on how to behave? Both are respectful and hurting no one I don’t agree with you but respect your view all the same. With what’s going on in the world it’s relatively unimportant anyway. Always been shenanigans going on in the world, hardly just today. The reason we have these remembrance days is down to what happened nearly a century ago. If folk want to fight over a bit of bloody land or some some desolate islands or or whatever then I don't get it but they always have and always will.
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Post by campbellsleftpeg on Nov 6, 2023 15:10:41 GMT
Non of the clapping was meant to be disrespectful. Shit bin!
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Post by LGH87 on Nov 6, 2023 15:51:24 GMT
You don’t cheer or clap after the last post like some of our fans do every year. The last post is followed by silence until the referees whistle, just a heads up as it gets on my nerves every year! It’s things like this that make me think we live in a simulation. How else would we manage to get it wrong every single season? It’s like people have no memories whatsoever. Unless people really are thick as mince.
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Post by phileetin on Nov 6, 2023 16:25:15 GMT
i think that folk clap after last post / silence is cos they're relieved that some ignorant brain farts didn't spoil it ....... simples.
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Post by flea79 on Nov 6, 2023 16:36:42 GMT
Yet you seem more annoyed than we do. Ah well. I get annoyed around all the shit that goes with remembrance Sunday. It's moved from a respectful event which I support into a fucking jamboree where people try to outdo each other to show how respectful they are, or moan that someone isn't wearing a poppy on telly, or buy better poppies to show they are more respectful. I do wear a poppy btw. absolutely spot on with this it should be a solemn bit of silence not all this rubbish of trying to make it a show and our remembrance is better than yours
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