Queen smites Mugabe...

[wizzardofdribble]

The Queen today decided to strip Robert Mugabe President of Zimbabwe of his knighthood - due to him torturing a few hundred thousand people and destroying his own country

Is the Queen right to "meddle" in the affairs of another country, and give owd Bob a good smiting , or should She mind her own business ?

What do people think?

[salopstick]

im disgusted it took her this long,

phil taylor grabs a girls tits and his mbe is gone in a flash

[Miniman]

old Mugabe ahd a farm, e-ei-e-ei-oh!!

[Yorkshirepotter]

Shes a bit of a hypocrite. Hes only doing what her lot did in the past to get the crown

[swampySCFC]

When the fuck did that cunt get knighted.....and why?

[Pretty Little Boother]

Exalted, Mugabe.

[Rebelliousjukebox]

That'll sort out the problems in Zimbabwe, won't it

[wizzardofdribble]

Just out of interest Che, how would you sort out Zimbabwes problems?

[Olgrligm]

Jun 25, 2008 20:15:43 GMT swampySCFC said:

When the fuck did that **** get knighted.....and why?

John Major thought it would be a good idea.

He's also a member of the Order of the Bath, I assume he's been thrown out without a towel.

[serpico]

We helped put him in power, just like saddam and most other dictators, and i hardly think stripping him of his knight hood is any consolation to the people of Zimbabwe, .... simple solution, stop putting these men in power in the first place.

[wizzardofdribble]

Mugabe's been torturing his people for decades but he stll got a Knighthood of John Major

Why?

Because, as any Foreign Office Minister will tell you..- It's better to have people inside the tent pissing out - than outside the tent pissing in

[daverichards]

If zimbabwe had any (more it has some) Oil, then Georgie and Tony would have delt with him long ago

[wizzardofdribble]

You could also argue, that during the "Cold-War", Zimbabwe would have been propped-up/invaded/sorted-out - by proxy (USA/USSR) - as was the case in Afghanistan when 25 years ago the USA was arming The Taliban to defeat the USSR

Now we are in a different world and the USA usually only intervenes for "strictly strategic/resource-led" operations..otherwise they would have occupied Ethiopa/Sudan etc a long time ago

[Olgrligm]

I'm going to say now - I think that if we weren't in Iraq we'd be in Zimbabwe now.

And yes, taking his knighthood off him isn't a serious sanction or anything, but what if we left him on? It'd be disgusting to look through British knights and see that Mugabe is in there, as well as his inclusion in the order of the bath. They're just correcting a mistake.

[eddyclamp]

Noticed on the news last night that Mugabe likes to wear big glasses.
does he play alot of snooker?

[swampySCFC]

Jun 25, 2008 21:20:47 GMT wizzardofdribble said:

Mugabe's been torturing his people for decades but he stll got a Knighthood of John Major

Why?

Because, as any Foreign Office Minister will tell you..- It's better to have people inside the tent pissing out - than outside the tent pissing in

And like any foreign office minister they havent got a clue when they find the person in the tent pissing in the tent

[Staffsoatcake]

I take it Zimbabwe does'nt have anything the USA wants, or else they would have invaded by now.

[Hiram]

Jun 25, 2008 21:20:05 GMT serpico said:

We helped put him in power, just like saddam and most other dictators, and i hardly think stripping him of his knight hood is any consolation to the people of Zimbabwe, .... simple solution, stop putting these men in power in the first place.

bit simplistic there serpico - Mugabe seemed like the right man in 1979, viewed as a struggler for African anti-colonialism with his heart in the right place and endorsed by many lefties at the time - Bob Marley played a gig at the Zimbabwe independence ceremony - that he would later be come a tyrannical meglomaniac was not to be forseen and you comparing him to puppet led US backed regimes in other countries is a little naive to say the least.

[mermaidsal]

Hmm, think it might have been foreseen if we hadn't had the CIA's hand up our back at the time, the horse-trading in Africa was and is unbelievable. I started off sympathising Mugabe for trying to throw the West out till he started taking lessons from Pol Pot, but don't tell me we and and the US couldn't have taken him out if we'd truly had political reasons to do so.

These honorary knighthoods are a pathetic joke and taking it away is about as pointless imho. God knows the honours system's devalued enough already but that just takes it a few steps further down.

[chunkie]

zimbabwe cricket banned from playing as well!

[wizzardofdribble]

I think we all know who put Mugabe in power and at the time it seemed to be for all the right reasons..and there was support from both the political left and right..

Problem is, owd Bob's fucked-up, big-time, and has been torturing and killing his own people for decades...

Forget history, what do we do about it?

Is it ok for black people to be killed as long as its black people doing the killing?

Would the liberal-left in this country be so reticent if Mugabe was white?

Or would they be calling him a fascist dictator?

Fair comment?

[Rebelliousjukebox]

Jun 25, 2008 21:12:21 GMT wizzardofdribble said:

Just out of interest Che, how would you sort out Zimbabwes problems?

If I knew that I'd be a diplomat, or working for the UN, and earning a lot more than I do!

Getting rid of Mugabe has to be the priority, although given that he's 86 he won't be around for much longer anyway. Concerted pressure on Thabo Mbeki to change his stance is key.

If Mugabe's removed before he dies, should be prosecuted for Crimes Against Humanity, but can't see that happening to be honest.

[santy]

I think we should send the army in, re-establish colonial power, and move on from there - 10 years time we could have the british empire back - ought to stop these bleeding economical problems we're having that way lol.

On a more serious note, as unfortunate as it is... it's not our problem to go intervening, no one will come save us from the dumb fookers in parliament, and if we ever become victims of something quite tragic I think the que of people looking to return the favour will be quite small. Let's leave the invading small countries to remove dictators to the US, lets face it, saddam was doing the same for years, soon as we go in everyone starts criticising it. After Iraq I think the genuine do-gooders will be like "fuck it, if we go in we'll only get tirades of abuse so we won't do it"

[edinburghstokie]

No chance of a white peacekeeping force. Colonialism will be spouted out. Didn't some of his hardline troops (from the 80's) get trained in North Korea?