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Post by teenagefanclub on Oct 11, 2023 8:59:37 GMT
Might just be me when I watch Stoke but when we try to win the ball back / stick a foot out to block etc, we always seem to be unlucky with the outcome.
It might be my Stoke bias, but it always seems a loose ball will bobble past the closest Stoke player and fall perfectly into the path of an opposition player, it seems to happen all the time.
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 11, 2023 9:10:25 GMT
Might just be me when I watch Stoke but when we try to win the ball back / stick a foot out to block etc, we always seem to be unlucky with the outcome. It might be my Stoke bias, but it always seems a loose ball will bobble past the closest Stoke player and fall perfectly into the path of an opposition player, it seems to happen all the time. Because other teams are more alert, quicker, stronger and pretty much just better than us. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 11, 2023 9:18:54 GMT
Might just be me when I watch Stoke but when we try to win the ball back / stick a foot out to block etc, we always seem to be unlucky with the outcome. It might be my Stoke bias, but it always seems a loose ball will bobble past the closest Stoke player and fall perfectly into the path of an opposition player, it seems to happen all the time. Because other teams are more alert, quicker, stronger and pretty much just better than us. Yep, an alert midfield would help. Second to everything way too often. Ipswich a great example, every loose ball they reacted to while we looked like we were flicking through the Argos catalogue |
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 11, 2023 9:24:52 GMT
It feels like sometimes any intervention is half hearted as well. Maybe if they went in confident we might see better outcomes.... we seem to lose 70/30 battles in our favour never mind 50/50 ones.
I enjoyed watching Junior smash through a Leicester player fairly on Saturday. Showed the right attitude and aggression which is what many of the team lack.... maybe if more went about their job in this way we wouldn't be so unlucky on outcomes.
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Post by Scouse on Oct 11, 2023 9:48:38 GMT
It’s far from being unlucky ,
It’s not just ANs teams over the years we’re very stationary , like school teams of old ..one decent player and all the rest stand and stare when he’s got the ball instead of moving .. or failing to anticipate where the ‘ 2nd ‘ ball will land
It’s not luck that the loose ball falls to very good teams from clearances etc , it’s anticipation , knowledge and understanding of the game as well as being well drilled and coached on the training ground limiting the space and likely options a desperate clearance will fall into and having free players in those areas..and having players fit enough to play that style of play for 90 minutes +
To play pass and move at the very highest level the entire team needs to be athletic , not just one or two players with good engines , as constant movement means no rest for anyone whilst in possession , not just the one or two players around the ball ..out of possession you’re working hard to both attack the man with the ball , mark his options ( he should have at least 3 in midfield side , back and forward ..all working hard to move their markers out of position and importantly mark the space
The free ball doesn’t fall to the shit , Liverpool , Man City or Arsenal out of luck ..they’re extremely well drilled in and out of possession
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 11, 2023 9:51:43 GMT
We need a nutter. I thought Pearson was it but he fouls at the wrong time and doesn't leave anything on them.
So basically wasted bookings.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Oct 11, 2023 9:55:11 GMT
No, the OP is 100% spot-on.
It’s all part of the cloak & dagger conspiracy against Stoke City.
I understand the EFL and PL are involved in the conspiracy, as are the Referees governing body and League Managers Association.
Basically, sad to say, they all hate us.
This latest ploy involves like poled magnets placed in the match ball and opposition players boots.
The better teams in the league even have stronger magnets making the difference in class seem even greater.
Illegitimi non carborundum!
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Post by Scouse on Oct 11, 2023 10:02:09 GMT
To add
our lack of movement is one of the reasons we end up playing it backwards ..lack of technique / ability to play the ball along the ground at the right pace to a forward sitting team mate who’s tightly marked and has poor first touch in such situations often means we give the ball away .. so we play the safer ball ( usually backwards ) in order to hopefully retain possession ..the player playing it backwards gets it in the neck ..but the issue is lack of ability and options
Witness the players warm up drills before any game ..marvellous long or close range passing and first touch … but that’s without any opposition determined to stop them doing that once the match kicks off
Our shooting during warmups though does tend to mirror the match environment it’s sloppy in the extreme .. and constantly missing in training isn’t good for the attitude factor and 2nd nature it’s suppose to aid come the match
As I say it’s not unique to AN , far from it
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Post by skip on Oct 11, 2023 10:09:57 GMT
It’s far from being unlucky , It’s not just ANs teams over the years we’re very stationary , like school teams of old ..one decent player and all the rest stand and stare when he’s got the ball instead of moving .. or failing to anticipate where the ‘ 2nd ‘ ball will land It’s not luck that the loose ball falls to very good teams from clearances etc , it’s anticipation , knowledge and understanding of the game as well as being well drilled and coached on the training ground limiting the space and likely options a desperate clearance will fall into and having free players in those areas..and having players fit enough to play that style of play for 90 minutes + To play pass and move at the very highest level the entire team needs to be athletic , not just one or two players with good engines , as constant movement means no rest for anyone whilst in possession , not just the one or two players around the ball ..out of possession you’re working hard to both attack the man with the ball , mark his options ( he should have at least 3 in midfield side , back and forward ..all working hard to move their markers out of position and importantly mark the space The free ball doesn’t fall to the shit , Liverpool , Man City or Arsenal out of luck ..they’re extremely well drilled in and out of possession I spent last season watching the training sessions of the team my kid played for. Well above average developmental level, but what I noticed most of all at the training sessions, were the coaches inability to articulate and drill off the ball movement. They would say that they needed players to anticipate and move proactively, but when it came to the crunch, the drills weren't doing the job. I strongly suspect that AN (and his predecessors) don't know how to train and coach it much better than at Youth level. Players don't learn how to improve through osmosis - it takes high level teaching - and I suspect we don't employ managers and coaches gifted enough in this regard. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 11, 2023 11:15:06 GMT
We do not pick up anywhere near enough 2nd balls, that’s for sure. I’d love to see the stats on this, but I’d bet my house were down the wrong end of the table. I’m not really sure why, but I personally believe it has to do with not having a settled shape or first 11. It can be quite hard to get positioning 100% spot on when you don’t have the opportunity over time to really embed it through repetition.
When I watch Man City they are the masters of it, it’s like the players are all connected by a string. When you watch us, some of the gaps on the pitch are simply mind blowing.
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Post by Block 26 on Oct 11, 2023 11:55:13 GMT
Might just be me when I watch Stoke but when we try to win the ball back / stick a foot out to block etc, we always seem to be unlucky with the outcome. It might be my Stoke bias, but it always seems a loose ball will bobble past the closest Stoke player and fall perfectly into the path of an opposition player, it seems to happen all the time. I have noticed this myself mate, any ricochet or deflection tends to fall straight into the path of our opposition. I thought it was down to bad luck but as LGH said it’s probably down to other teams being more alert than us. It’s frustrating that’s for sure, I sit there week in week out just hoping that something will drop for us for a change. When trying to win the ball back, we just tend to plough into the opposition giving away an easy free kick for them, we’ve done it for years now… we can have them pinned in their corner & incomes a stoke player like a steamroller which results in an easy way out for the opposition. Again it’s frustrating to watch. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 18:08:28 GMT
We need a nutter. I thought Pearson was it but he fouls at the wrong time and doesn't leave anything on them. So basically wasted bookings. Pearson is exactly what I thought he was before he came to us.... A Championship Clogger. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 11, 2023 18:12:05 GMT
We never ever seem to win the second ball when we have an attacking set piece. And also it looks like total panic stations when we’re defending set pieces. Like the op says, could be bias but it really winds me up when the ball breaks at either end we have nobody within 5 yards of a loose ball
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 11, 2023 18:28:21 GMT
We need a nutter. I thought Pearson was it but he fouls at the wrong time and doesn't leave anything on them. So basically wasted bookings. Pearson is exactly what I thought he was before he came to us.... A Championship Clogger. I've been disappointed with his clogging |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 11, 2023 18:38:28 GMT
We need a nutter. I thought Pearson was it but he fouls at the wrong time and doesn't leave anything on them. So basically wasted bookings. Pearson is exactly what I thought he was before he came to us.... A Championship Clogger. He's been a really down for me. The kind of player we were crying out for but not done it. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 11, 2023 18:47:36 GMT
Pearson is exactly what I thought he was before he came to us.... A Championship Clogger. He's been a really down for me. The kind of player we were crying out for but not done it. I suppose when you’ve got Josh fucking Laurent alongside you what chance have you got? I think that’s obvious, he’s trying to over compensate for Laurents dogturdness |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 11, 2023 19:55:17 GMT
He's been a really down for me. The kind of player we were crying out for but not done it. I suppose when you’ve got Josh fucking Laurent alongside you what chance have you got? I think that’s obvious, he’s trying to over compensate for Laurents dogturdness Neither have been up to it . Both looked promising signings but been disappointing. Not been this let down since Roland stole all those chocolate bar wrappers in Grange Hill . |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 11, 2023 20:05:45 GMT
I suppose when you’ve got Josh fucking Laurent alongside you what chance have you got? I think that’s obvious, he’s trying to over compensate for Laurents dogturdness Neither have been up to it . Both looked promising signings but been disappointing. Not been this let down since Roland stole all those chocolate bar wrappers in Grange Hill . Nothing compared to the Dagmar being burned down in Eastenders in the 80’s. I’m only reminded of this by Wilmot being next to Brown on team sheets last season. It’ll fly over your head though |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 11, 2023 20:08:59 GMT
Neither have been up to it . Both looked promising signings but been disappointing. Not been this let down since Roland stole all those chocolate bar wrappers in Grange Hill . Nothing compared to the Dagmar being burned down in Eastenders in the 80’s. I’m only reminded of this by Wilmot being next to Brown on team sheets last season. It’ll fly over your head though I've only seen Eastenders once. A barman got the miserable sourpuss from Grange Hill again up the duff. |
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Post by jokker on Oct 11, 2023 20:13:41 GMT
It’s far from being unlucky , It’s not just ANs teams over the years we’re very stationary , like school teams of old .. one decent player and all the rest stand and stare when he’s got the ball instead of moving .. or failing to anticipate where the ‘ 2nd ‘ ball will land It’s not luck that the loose ball falls to very good teams from clearances etc , it’s anticipation , knowledge and understanding of the game as well as being well drilled and coached on the training ground limiting the space and likely options a desperate clearance will fall into and having free players in those areas..and having players fit enough to play that style of play for 90 minutes + To play pass and move at the very highest level the entire team needs to be athletic , not just one or two players with good engines , as constant movement means no rest for anyone whilst in possession , not just the one or two players around the ball ..out of possession you’re working hard to both attack the man with the ball , mark his options ( he should have at least 3 in midfield side , back and forward ..all working hard to move their markers out of position and importantly mark the space The free ball doesn’t fall to the shit , Liverpool , Man City or Arsenal out of luck ..they’re extremely well drilled in and out of possession We have a decent player...? I must have closed my eyes when he was playing... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 11, 2023 20:20:14 GMT
I’m a genuine believer in life that you make your own luck and is it luck or just the outcomes of maximising opportunity and working hard. I know some people find it bollocks but I think it’s true.
The same goes for football.
As people have said above it isn’t luck, it’s about giving yourself the best chance to get to that ball quicker, reading the game better, anticipating etc.
Like when people bang on about the better teams getting more penalties. They attack more, it’s just maths that they will get more penalties. It isn’t luck.
There’s a logical reason to almost everything, you’ve just got to find what it is and practise it. Sometimes you can’t master that and that’s fine, we can’t all be good at everything.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 11, 2023 20:23:46 GMT
Nothing compared to the Dagmar being burned down in Eastenders in the 80’s. I’m only reminded of this by Wilmot being next to Brown on team sheets last season. It’ll fly over your head though I've only seen Eastenders once. A barman got the miserable sourpuss from Grange Hill again up the duff. Cracking episode. You viewed the pinnacle there, your work with Eastenders is done |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 11, 2023 20:27:11 GMT
I've only seen Eastenders once. A barman got the miserable sourpuss from Grange Hill again up the duff. Cracking episode. You viewed the pinnacle there, your work with Eastenders is done The woman who based her look on Brian May ended up with him ironically seem to remember Remember them on Wogan |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 11, 2023 20:32:00 GMT
Cracking episode. You viewed the pinnacle there, your work with Eastenders is done The woman who based her look on Brian May ended up with him ironically seem to remember Remember them on Wogan I won’t hear a word said against Brian Poodle Hair May due to his chairmanship of Team Badger, of whom I am a member. Anita Dobson However I have some reservations about….. amp.theguardian.com/environment/2011/may/04/brian-may-champion-badger-welfare |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 11, 2023 20:37:09 GMT
The woman who based her look on Brian May ended up with him ironically seem to remember Remember them on Wogan I won’t hear a word said against Brian Poodle Hair May due to his chairmanship of Team Badger, of whom I am a member. Anita Dobson However I have some reservations about….. I think the drummer in the Haircuts is all about preserving the Tree Loris. Actually I may have imagined that after an Archers too many |
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