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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 8, 2023 7:01:31 GMT
Is running a team today too big for one manager? I'm convinced we need 2 managers, one who has a defensive mindset and one who is more attack minded. The one thing I notice with flair managers is they seem clueless when it comes to their defence, likewise defensive managers struggle to attack and create chances.
Hughes did brilliantly for a couple of seasons but it was because of the solid defence he was left by Pulis that helped his flair players do their thing knowing they were well covered. We clearly need someone who is defensively astute at the club to drill our defence. Pulis and Hughes could have been a great combination, maybe Hughes needs someone like Bruce side by side with him to be successful.
Do single managers surround themselves with too many like minded people and not enough that challenge them especially in area's of the pitch where they are weakest?
Are there any manager combinations that could be effective and can it work?
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 8, 2023 7:15:06 GMT
Isn’t it bad enough we have to suffer having one dour British dinosaur in charge and now you’re asking for two?!
In all seriousness it would never work. Imagine having Pulis as your defensive coach and telling him you need your full backs get forward and join in attacks.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 8, 2023 7:19:45 GMT
No no no - one throat to choke and it chokin' time right now....
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 8, 2023 7:31:27 GMT
Is running a team today too big for one manager? I'm convinced we need 2 managers, one who has a defensive mindset and one who is more attack minded. The one thing I notice with flair managers is they seem clueless when it comes to their defence, likewise defensive managers struggle to attack and create chances. Hughes did brilliantly for a couple of seasons but it was because of the solid defence he was left by Pulis that helped his flair players do their thing knowing they were well covered. We clearly need someone who is defensively astute at the club to drill our defence. Pulis and Hughes could have been a great combination, maybe Hughes needs someone like Bruce side by side with him to be successful. Do single managers surround themselves with too many like minded people and not enough that challenge them especially in area's of the pitch where they are weakest? Are there any manager combinations that could be effective and can it work? We need a single first team coach with a solid structure behind them. If the coach fucks up he is sacked and another comes in to work within the existing structure. Having a manager who is responsible for building the structure as well as all the jobs a coach has to do is ridiculous. Having 2 of them isn't the way forward. For one, who manages the midfield? |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 8, 2023 7:33:17 GMT
Step forward the Cowley brothers……
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 8, 2023 7:34:20 GMT
Isn’t it bad enough we have to suffer having one dour British dinosaur in charge and now you’re asking for two?! In all seriousness it would never work. Imagine having Pulis as your defensive coach and telling him you need your full backs get forward and join in attacks. Yes but a defensively astute manager would be looking which players from midfield could cover the areas left exposed whilst they make those forwards runs and have the midfield players positioned better. |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 8, 2023 7:35:04 GMT
Step forward the Cowley brothers…… The chairman would mishear his mate in the pub and bring in the Chuckle Brothers. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 8, 2023 7:40:14 GMT
Is running a team today too big for one manager? I'm convinced we need 2 managers, one who has a defensive mindset and one who is more attack minded. The one thing I notice with flair managers is they seem clueless when it comes to their defence, likewise defensive managers struggle to attack and create chances. Hughes did brilliantly for a couple of seasons but it was because of the solid defence he was left by Pulis that helped his flair players do their thing knowing they were well covered. We clearly need someone who is defensively astute at the club to drill our defence. Pulis and Hughes could have been a great combination, maybe Hughes needs someone like Bruce side by side with him to be successful. Do single managers surround themselves with too many like minded people and not enough that challenge them especially in area's of the pitch where they are weakest? Are there any manager combinations that could be effective and can it work? We need a single first team coach with a solid structure behind them. If the coach fucks up he is sacked and another comes in to work within the existing structure. Having a manager who is responsible for building the structure as well as all the jobs a coach has to do is ridiculous. Having 2 of them isn't the way forward. For one, who manages the midfield? Very few managers seem to be good in both halves of the pitch. Most managers are strong in one area which is normally attack or defence and often the other area is almost always exposed once they start playing against better quality teams. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 8, 2023 7:44:38 GMT
Step forward the Cowley brothers…… The chairman would mishear his mate in the pub and bring in the Chuckle Brothers. Yeah and they wouldn't realise that one is dead. |
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Post by stiggerstackle on Oct 8, 2023 8:32:55 GMT
Is running a team today too big for one manager? I'm convinced we need 2 managers, one who has a defensive mindset and one who is more attack minded. The one thing I notice with flair managers is they seem clueless when it comes to their defence, likewise defensive managers struggle to attack and create chances. Hughes did brilliantly for a couple of seasons but it was because of the solid defence he was left by Pulis that helped his flair players do their thing knowing they were well covered. We clearly need someone who is defensively astute at the club to drill our defence. Pulis and Hughes could have been a great combination, maybe Hughes needs someone like Bruce side by side with him to be successful. Do single managers surround themselves with too many like minded people and not enough that challenge them especially in area's of the pitch where they are weakest? Are there any manager combinations that could be effective and can it work? The midfield manager would be furious. |
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Post by Waggy on Oct 8, 2023 8:37:00 GMT
Pulis and Hughes. Could be good. Pulis centre mids and defence and Hughes wingers and forwards.
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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 8, 2023 8:48:11 GMT
Is running a team today too big for one manager? I'm convinced we need 2 managers, one who has a defensive mindset and one who is more attack minded. The one thing I notice with flair managers is they seem clueless when it comes to their defence, likewise defensive managers struggle to attack and create chances. Hughes did brilliantly for a couple of seasons but it was because of the solid defence he was left by Pulis that helped his flair players do their thing knowing they were well covered. We clearly need someone who is defensively astute at the club to drill our defence. Pulis and Hughes could have been a great combination, maybe Hughes needs someone like Bruce side by side with him to be successful. Do single managers surround themselves with too many like minded people and not enough that challenge them especially in area's of the pitch where they are weakest? Are there any manager combinations that could be effective and can it work? There is no logic in what’s going on in our club at present. Why not have 2 managers? 2 sets of conflicting ideas, beliefs and training methods. Also an extra large salary. Can’t see a problem.😂 |
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Oct 8, 2023 9:01:38 GMT
The chairman would mishear his mate in the pub and bring in the Chuckle Brothers. Yeah and they wouldn't realise that one is This made me 😃 |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 8, 2023 9:10:58 GMT
Why not employ someone who is good at getting the best out of all his players, other clubs who are successful manage to do it.
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Post by thornestein on Oct 8, 2023 9:11:53 GMT
The chairman would mishear his mate in the pub and bring in the Chuckle Brothers. Yeah and they wouldn't realise that one is dead. The dead one would do a better job than Neil |
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Post by theglove on Oct 8, 2023 11:24:58 GMT
Didn't Pulis bring Gerry Francis in as a kind of defence Manager? Or did i dream that?
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 8, 2023 11:43:58 GMT
Didn't Pulis bring Gerry Francis in as a kind of defence Manager? Or did i dream that? Love that. Nah the thing is Peter, the team isn’t defensive enough… |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 8, 2023 11:46:41 GMT
Roy Evans and Houllier had a crack at it as I recall and it just didn't work. Egos can't handle it.
Interesting suggestion though 🤔
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Post by march4 on Oct 8, 2023 11:50:22 GMT
Is running a team today too big for one manager? I'm convinced we need 2 managers, one who has a defensive mindset and one who is more attack minded. The one thing I notice with flair managers is they seem clueless when it comes to their defence, likewise defensive managers struggle to attack and create chances. Hughes did brilliantly for a couple of seasons but it was because of the solid defence he was left by Pulis that helped his flair players do their thing knowing they were well covered. We clearly need someone who is defensively astute at the club to drill our defence. Pulis and Hughes could have been a great combination, maybe Hughes needs someone like Bruce side by side with him to be successful. Do single managers surround themselves with too many like minded people and not enough that challenge them especially in area's of the pitch where they are weakest? Are there any manager combinations that could be effective and can it work? One ultimate leader is the only model that works. How can you have too many people to lead when the President of China has 1.4 billion and the Pope leads a similar number of Catholics. The trick is to have some sort of vision that most of the people you lead can buy into. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 8, 2023 16:01:58 GMT
Is running a team today too big for one manager? I'm convinced we need 2 managers, one who has a defensive mindset and one who is more attack minded. The one thing I notice with flair managers is they seem clueless when it comes to their defence, likewise defensive managers struggle to attack and create chances. Hughes did brilliantly for a couple of seasons but it was because of the solid defence he was left by Pulis that helped his flair players do their thing knowing they were well covered. We clearly need someone who is defensively astute at the club to drill our defence. Pulis and Hughes could have been a great combination, maybe Hughes needs someone like Bruce side by side with him to be successful. Do single managers surround themselves with too many like minded people and not enough that challenge them especially in area's of the pitch where they are weakest? Are there any manager combinations that could be effective and can it work? One ultimate leader is the only model that works. How can you have too many people to lead when the President of China has 1.4 billion and the Pope leads a similar number of Catholics. The trick is to have some sort of vision that most of the people you lead can buy into. China leads through fear and force which I doubt would work at a football club. I don't know what the Pope does other than grooming people into believing there is a god, but I doubt he runs a great deal and the majority will be left to the Churches to sort themselves. I imagine churches just tick along the same as they have for many years. The fact that religion is on the decline in the UK and maybe around the world means he ain't doing that good of a job so maybe his position is slowly becoming threatened. |
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Post by baconburger on Oct 9, 2023 15:41:17 GMT
Isn’t it bad enough we have to suffer having one dour British dinosaur in charge and now you’re asking for two?! In all seriousness it would never work. Imagine having Pulis as your defensive coach and telling him you need your full backs get forward and join in attacks. Yes but a defensively astute manager would be looking which players from midfield could cover the areas left exposed whilst they make those forwards runs and have the midfield players positioned better. So now your midfielders can’t join the attack. You’re pushing your full backs on to create overloads. All this well drilled bollox is just that bollox. Defensive coaches defend better by using more resources on defence. If they make their defenders any better is absolutely minimal. If you want to defend better you can buy better defenders, throw more resources at it or defend better by defending less. There really isn’t any secret to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 9:58:53 GMT
Kerry and kurtan mucklowe from the Cotswolds.
Dream ticket, there wouldn't be a dull moment.
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Post by bigvern on Oct 10, 2023 10:01:24 GMT
I'd go for Brian Clough and Peter Taylor.
If only we could have got them down here back in the day instead of Derby and Forest.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 10, 2023 10:03:53 GMT
Isn’t it bad enough we have to suffer having one dour British dinosaur in charge and now you’re asking for two?! In all seriousness it would never work. Imagine having Pulis as your defensive coach and telling him you need your full backs get forward and join in attacks. Some people are obsessed with the nationality. Would a dour Italian be the answer? |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 10, 2023 10:12:16 GMT
We find it difficult enough to find one good manager, let alone fucking two  |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 10, 2023 10:14:48 GMT
Step forward the Cowley brothers…… The chairman would mishear his mate in the pub and bring in the Chuckle Brothers. Be an upgrade to be fair |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 10, 2023 10:16:39 GMT
Isn’t it bad enough we have to suffer having one dour British dinosaur in charge and now you’re asking for two?! In all seriousness it would never work. Imagine having Pulis as your defensive coach and telling him you need your full backs get forward and join in attacks. Some people are obsessed with the nationality. Would a dour Italian be the answer? No one is obsessed, just pointing out that it hasn't worked so maybe they need a new direction. A dour Italian would be fine if he knew how to manage and get results as opposed to a dour Scot who doesn't |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 10, 2023 10:17:30 GMT
Is running a team today too big for one manager? I'm convinced we need 2 managers, one who has a defensive mindset and one who is more attack minded. The one thing I notice with flair managers is they seem clueless when it comes to their defence, likewise defensive managers struggle to attack and create chances. Hughes did brilliantly for a couple of seasons but it was because of the solid defence he was left by Pulis that helped his flair players do their thing knowing they were well covered. We clearly need someone who is defensively astute at the club to drill our defence. Pulis and Hughes could have been a great combination, maybe Hughes needs someone like Bruce side by side with him to be successful. Do single managers surround themselves with too many like minded people and not enough that challenge them especially in area's of the pitch where they are weakest? Are there any manager combinations that could be effective and can it work? That's not strictly true is it, our best season defensively had two players signed by Pulis at the back, that were Shawcross & Wilson. Pieters, Wollscheid, Muniesa & Bardsley were all Sparky's signings. |
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Oct 10, 2023 10:26:32 GMT
It's why a manager has an assistant manager and backroom staff, to make his job easier. Two managers is nonsense in any working environment, a power struggle would be inevitable.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 10, 2023 10:33:05 GMT
Some people are obsessed with the nationality. Would a dour Italian be the answer? No one is obsessed, just pointing out that it hasn't worked so maybe they need a new direction. A dour Italian would be fine if he knew how to manage and get results as opposed to a dour Scot who doesn't So a dour Brit like Warnock would get these players organised. In fact, calling him dour is a disservice, he can play quick attacking football. |
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