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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 7, 2023 19:19:40 GMT
None of them have had to bring in 17 new players from all over the globe, have little to no pre-season and had their key new attacking signings unavailable AN didn't have to bring in 17 players from all over the globe. He chose to do so. He also chose to sell players and not resign others. Nobody prevented him from buying players in June or July and having them fit and ready to go at the start of the season. He took a chance with his CBs last year and got away with it. He did the same this year and got caught out. When MON was short of defenders his record was 15 draws in the season. Why can't AN do the same at least? I think to certain extent we've been forced to sign players from abroad to get value considering the amount of places we had to fill and over inflated prices in this country. Neil wants to play an attacking brand of football but we need our players to be fit to do it. I'll concede Wesley can't run, that to me is a crazy signing, I understand it as a plan B lump it forward signing but when your plan A gets injured as soon as he arrives it puts us in a difficult situation especially when vidigal is carrying an injury aswell as Campbell. I think we're two or three good players away from a good team myself, it aas never going to get done in one summer, that's asking for miracles, nobody gets 100% of transfers correct so to expect to get 17 in and race towards the play-offs, I think people need to be realistic myself. I still believe once we get Mmaee, Stevens & Vidigal back in the reckoning we'll be well on the way to looking a decent team, we've made some good signings we just need a couple of windows to finish what we've started . Sacking the manager now is daft, back him in January to get the central defender and striker we need, let's see the finished article |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 7, 2023 19:31:14 GMT
AN didn't have to bring in 17 players from all over the globe. He chose to do so. He also chose to sell players and not resign others. Nobody prevented him from buying players in June or July and having them fit and ready to go at the start of the season. He took a chance with his CBs last year and got away with it. He did the same this year and got caught out. When MON was short of defenders his record was 15 draws in the season. Why can't AN do the same at least? I think to certain extent we've been forced to sign players from abroad to get value considering the amount of places we had to fill and over inflated prices in this country. Neil wants to play an attacking brand of football but we need our players to be fit to do it. I'll concede Wesley can't run, that to me is a crazy signing, I understand it as a plan B lump it forward signing but when your plan A gets injured as soon as he arrives it puts us in a difficult situation especially when vidigal is carrying an injury aswell as Campbell. I think we're two or three good players away from a good team myself, it aas never going to get done in one summer, that's asking for miracles, nobody gets 100% of transfers correct so to expect to get 17 in and race towards the play-offs, I think people need to be realistic myself. I still believe once we get Mmaee, Stevens & Vidigal back in the reckoning we'll be well on the way to looking a decent team, we've made some good signings we just need a couple of windows to finish what we've started . Sacking the manager now is daft, back him in January to get the central defender and striker we need, let's see the finished article There. No way he will survive until january loyal as the owners are the gravity of results kills any manager with a record like ours |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 7, 2023 19:44:04 GMT
I think to certain extent we've been forced to sign players from abroad to get value considering the amount of places we had to fill and over inflated prices in this country. Neil wants to play an attacking brand of football but we need our players to be fit to do it. I'll concede Wesley can't run, that to me is a crazy signing, I understand it as a plan B lump it forward signing but when your plan A gets injured as soon as he arrives it puts us in a difficult situation especially when vidigal is carrying an injury aswell as Campbell. I think we're two or three good players away from a good team myself, it aas never going to get done in one summer, that's asking for miracles, nobody gets 100% of transfers correct so to expect to get 17 in and race towards the play-offs, I think people need to be realistic myself. I still believe once we get Mmaee, Stevens & Vidigal back in the reckoning we'll be well on the way to looking a decent team, we've made some good signings we just need a couple of windows to finish what we've started . Sacking the manager now is daft, back him in January to get the central defender and striker we need, let's see the finished article There. No way he will survive until january loyal as the owners are the gravity of results kills any manager with a record like ours Well to be fair I think anybody coming in when Neil did would have had a mountain to climb given last seasons manure of a squad and the size of the rebuild this summer. People are bashing the manager over last seasons results with another mans pile of shit because the club completely ballsed up (as usual) the timing of sacking o neill, and it was a pile of shit because we didn't have the balance or personal to be effective at anything in particular. It's not this managers fault the club needed 17 new players, and make no mistake we 'did' need 17 new players because last seasons squad was the accumilation of several poor managers input, a disorganised, unbalanced, incapable pile of shit. It's understandable people getting pissed that we hav'nt picked up the results in the first quarter of the season but me personally, I believe there to be multiple very legitimate reasons, very healthy mitigating circumstances. It isn't like they're all fit and available, gelled and we're getting spanked, until it is I think you have to reasonable and cut him some slack. We've gone from needing the players to acclimatise and gel to having a waiting room full of injured players, it's ridiculous managerial conditions, how are you supposed to get into any rhythm? |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 7, 2023 19:57:08 GMT
There. No way he will survive until january loyal as the owners are the gravity of results kills any manager with a record like ours Well to be fair I think anybody coming in when Neil did would have had a mountain to climb given last seasons manure of a squad and the size of the rebuild this summer. People are bashing the manager over last seasons results with another mans pile of shit because the club completely ballsed up (as usual) the timing of sacking o neill, and it was a pile of shit because we didn't have the balance or personal to be effective at anything in particular. It's not this managers fault the club needed 17 new players, and make no mistake we 'did' need 17 new players because last seasons squad was the accumilation of several poor managers input, a disorganised, unbalanced, incapable pile of shit. It's understandable people getting pissed that we hav'nt picked up the results in the first quarter of the season but me personally, I believe there to be multiple very legitimate reasons, very healthy mitigating circumstances. It isn't like they're all fit and available, gelled and we're getting spanked, until it is I think you have to reasonable and cut him some slack. We've gone from needing the players to acclimatise and gel to having a waiting room full of injured players, it's ridiculous managerial conditions, how are you supposed to get into any rhythm? You start by the balance of recruitment and that was horrendously wrong he had his opportunity and ours and has squandered it , Ive said this week I felt all along he was a poor appointment but am telling a bit sorry for him but results ahd my old mate will have him |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 7, 2023 19:59:16 GMT
Well to be fair I think anybody coming in when Neil did would have had a mountain to climb given last seasons manure of a squad and the size of the rebuild this summer. People are bashing the manager over last seasons results with another mans pile of shit because the club completely ballsed up (as usual) the timing of sacking o neill, and it was a pile of shit because we didn't have the balance or personal to be effective at anything in particular. It's not this managers fault the club needed 17 new players, and make no mistake we 'did' need 17 new players because last seasons squad was the accumilation of several poor managers input, a disorganised, unbalanced, incapable pile of shit. It's understandable people getting pissed that we hav'nt picked up the results in the first quarter of the season but me personally, I believe there to be multiple very legitimate reasons, very healthy mitigating circumstances. It isn't like they're all fit and available, gelled and we're getting spanked, until it is I think you have to reasonable and cut him some slack. We've gone from needing the players to acclimatise and gel to having a waiting room full of injured players, it's ridiculous managerial conditions, how are you supposed to get into any rhythm? You start by the balance of recruitment and that was horrendously wrong he had his opportunity and ours and has squandered it , Ive said this week I felt all along he was a poor appointment but am telling a bit sorry for him but results ahd my old mate will have him You're obviously quite welcome to your opinion as I am mine. I like to judge a manager on a firm footing myself and he's not had one yet, for me |
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Post by independent on Oct 7, 2023 20:18:21 GMT
There. No way he will survive until january loyal as the owners are the gravity of results kills any manager with a record like ours Well to be fair I think anybody coming in when Neil did would have had a mountain to climb given last seasons manure of a squad and the size of the rebuild this summer. People are bashing the manager over last seasons results with another mans pile of shit because the club completely ballsed up (as usual) the timing of sacking o neill, and it was a pile of shit because we didn't have the balance or personal to be effective at anything in particular. It's not this managers fault the club needed 17 new players, and make no mistake we 'did' need 17 new players because last seasons squad was the accumilation of several poor managers input, a disorganised, unbalanced, incapable pile of shit. It's understandable people getting pissed that we hav'nt picked up the results in the first quarter of the season but me personally, I believe there to be multiple very legitimate reasons, very healthy mitigating circumstances. It isn't like they're all fit and available, gelled and we're getting spanked, until it is I think you have to reasonable and cut him some slack. We've gone from needing the players to acclimatise and gel to having a waiting room full of injured players, it's ridiculous managerial conditions, how are you supposed to get into any rhythm? MON managed to get 60 and 62 points with that "pile of shit" in consecutive seasons, so they can't be as bad as you make out. It was always the plan to rebuild the side this Summer which was the first opportunity we had to do so. We had a year to decide the players we wanted and to TAP them up. AN's supporters tell us that he has a profit on transfers. I'd rather have a loss on transfers and a decent team. Remember we can have a loss of £13 million this year if we wish. AN has shown no ability to improve players so is it wise to suggest that he just needs to get players back and everything will magically fall into place. I don't think he even knows his best team. The last break we had,he gave the team the first week off. This was when he was trying to gel a side. That does not inspire confidence. I have always said that Christmas is the time to begin to make a final judgement on the manager, and I still believe that is what we should do. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 7, 2023 20:25:40 GMT
Well to be fair I think anybody coming in when Neil did would have had a mountain to climb given last seasons manure of a squad and the size of the rebuild this summer. People are bashing the manager over last seasons results with another mans pile of shit because the club completely ballsed up (as usual) the timing of sacking o neill, and it was a pile of shit because we didn't have the balance or personal to be effective at anything in particular. It's not this managers fault the club needed 17 new players, and make no mistake we 'did' need 17 new players because last seasons squad was the accumilation of several poor managers input, a disorganised, unbalanced, incapable pile of shit. It's understandable people getting pissed that we hav'nt picked up the results in the first quarter of the season but me personally, I believe there to be multiple very legitimate reasons, very healthy mitigating circumstances. It isn't like they're all fit and available, gelled and we're getting spanked, until it is I think you have to reasonable and cut him some slack. We've gone from needing the players to acclimatise and gel to having a waiting room full of injured players, it's ridiculous managerial conditions, how are you supposed to get into any rhythm? MON managed to get 60 and 62 points with that "pile of shit" in consecutive seasons, so they can't be as bad as you make out. It was always the plan to rebuild the side this Summer which was the first opportunity we had to do so. We had a year to decide the players we wanted and to TAP them up. AN's supporters tell us that he has a profit on transfers. I'd rather have a loss on transfers and a decent team. Remember we can have a loss of £13 million this year if we wish. AN has shown no ability to improve players so is it wise to suggest that he just needs to get players back and everything will magically fall into place. I don't think he even knows his best team. The last break we had,he gave the team the first week off. This was when he was trying to gel a side. That does not inspire confidence. I have always said that Christmas is the time to begin to make a final judgement on the manager, and I still believe that is what we should do. Plenty to spend in January then isn't there. What bad signings do you think we've made this summer? |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 7, 2023 20:34:40 GMT
MON managed to get 60 and 62 points with that "pile of shit" in consecutive seasons, so they can't be as bad as you make out. It was always the plan to rebuild the side this Summer which was the first opportunity we had to do so. We had a year to decide the players we wanted and to TAP them up. AN's supporters tell us that he has a profit on transfers. I'd rather have a loss on transfers and a decent team. Remember we can have a loss of £13 million this year if we wish. AN has shown no ability to improve players so is it wise to suggest that he just needs to get players back and everything will magically fall into place. I don't think he even knows his best team. The last break we had,he gave the team the first week off. This was when he was trying to gel a side. That does not inspire confidence. I have always said that Christmas is the time to begin to make a final judgement on the manager, and I still believe that is what we should do. Plenty to spend in January then isn't there. What bad signings do you think we've made this summer? Wesley for one. He’s useless. |
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Oct 7, 2023 20:34:49 GMT
I’m all in favour of giving AN the whole season and the January window. As long as we see a strong second half of the season.
But compare Man United and Stoke today. Utd 0-1 down, 90 minutes on the clock, make a substitution to try and win it. Score twice in injury time and win 2-1. AN said he didn’t bring Vidigal on because it was a lost cause. I can’t support that. That’s is giving up. It’s small thinking. It’s not good enough from a manager and sends a very negative signal to the players.
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Post by independent on Oct 7, 2023 20:47:38 GMT
MON managed to get 60 and 62 points with that "pile of shit" in consecutive seasons, so they can't be as bad as you make out. It was always the plan to rebuild the side this Summer which was the first opportunity we had to do so. We had a year to decide the players we wanted and to TAP them up. AN's supporters tell us that he has a profit on transfers. I'd rather have a loss on transfers and a decent team. Remember we can have a loss of £13 million this year if we wish. AN has shown no ability to improve players so is it wise to suggest that he just needs to get players back and everything will magically fall into place. I don't think he even knows his best team. The last break we had,he gave the team the first week off. This was when he was trying to gel a side. That does not inspire confidence. I have always said that Christmas is the time to begin to make a final judgement on the manager, and I still believe that is what we should do. Plenty to spend in January then isn't there. What bad signings do you think we've made this summer? I'm sure there is money to spend. The question is whether to entrust AN with spending it. After buying 17 players we still need a proper CH, a CF a LF and a creative midfielder. I am sceptical whether we can get the quality we need in January and if we do manage it they will be very expensive. Next June we will have to replace our loans at least plus probably another few players, whatever happens. We were told before this season started that we had a load of players who could fill in at CH and LF if we needed to. Even with all our players available there are probably at least 7 that we would like to improve on. I would be happier if I saw any ability to make the best use of what we already have before giving the manager money to spend. Either way,unless things improve it may all be academic. I'm sure the Coates are hoping that AN can help them avoid avoid having to find another new manager. |
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Oct 7, 2023 20:55:51 GMT
I’m all in favour of giving AN the whole season and the January window. As long as we see a strong second half of the season. But compare Man United and Stoke today. Utd 0-1 down, 90 minutes on the clock, make a substitution to try and win it. Score twice in injury time and win 2-1. AN said he didn’t bring Vidigal on because it was a lost cause. I can’t support that. That’s is giving up. It’s small thinking. It’s not good enough from a manager and sends a very negative signal to the players. From BBC SPORT: “ Leicester City manager Enzo Maresca told BBC Radio Leicester:
"It was a difficult game. As we expected, they sit there and you need to be patient.
"We scored early and they maintained the same plan. Then after an hour they changed their plan and became more aggressive. That was the moment we found more space and more solutions."
On being top of the table, with a 10 point gap to third place: "It's important to be be ahead rather than behind. But we are still in October and the season is still very, very long."
Stoke City boss Alex Neil told BBC Radio Stoke:
"Our game plan was to come here, frustrate and try keep Leicester at arms length really.
"We wanted to get to the late embers of the game and see if we could have a little bit of a go.
"The first goal changed the dynamic of the game. We then kept it going until the 60th minute, then when we decided to have a go.
"We discussed that, it was always going to be the game plan.
"You can see why teams come here and don't do that, because they have very quick players, they are good, they are technical, they move the ball. You have to go one-for-one across the whole pitch and at that stage we became a little stretched and they managed to get a goal.”So it was a shit plan then wasn’t it, because we lost 2-0. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 21:50:38 GMT
We were flat as a witch's tit.
I left on the 80th minute (after Vardy's goal) and by that point we hadn't had a shot on target and made no subs.
It's getting harder each week to defend this dross we are being served up.
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 7, 2023 23:32:16 GMT
AN didn't have to bring in 17 players from all over the globe. He chose to do so. He also chose to sell players and not resign others. Nobody prevented him from buying players in June or July and having them fit and ready to go at the start of the season. He took a chance with his CBs last year and got away with it. He did the same this year and got caught out. When MON was short of defenders his record was 15 draws in the season. Why can't AN do the same at least? I think to certain extent we've been forced to sign players from abroad to get value considering the amount of places we had to fill and over inflated prices in this country. Neil wants to play an attacking brand of football but we need our players to be fit to do it. I'll concede Wesley can't run, that to me is a crazy signing, I understand it as a plan B lump it forward signing but when your plan A gets injured as soon as he arrives it puts us in a difficult situation especially when vidigal is carrying an injury aswell as Campbell. I think we're two or three good players away from a good team myself, it aas never going to get done in one summer, that's asking for miracles, nobody gets 100% of transfers correct so to expect to get 17 in and race towards the play-offs, I think people need to be realistic myself. I still believe once we get Mmaee, Stevens & Vidigal back in the reckoning we'll be well on the way to looking a decent team, we've made some good signings we just need a couple of windows to finish what we've started . Sacking the manager now is daft, back him in January to get the central defender and striker we need, let's see the finished article Sack him now and get a proper continental manager |
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 8, 2023 5:10:17 GMT
I think to certain extent we've been forced to sign players from abroad to get value considering the amount of places we had to fill and over inflated prices in this country. Neil wants to play an attacking brand of football but we need our players to be fit to do it. I'll concede Wesley can't run, that to me is a crazy signing, I understand it as a plan B lump it forward signing but when your plan A gets injured as soon as he arrives it puts us in a difficult situation especially when vidigal is carrying an injury aswell as Campbell. I think we're two or three good players away from a good team myself, it aas never going to get done in one summer, that's asking for miracles, nobody gets 100% of transfers correct so to expect to get 17 in and race towards the play-offs, I think people need to be realistic myself. I still believe once we get Mmaee, Stevens & Vidigal back in the reckoning we'll be well on the way to looking a decent team, we've made some good signings we just need a couple of windows to finish what we've started . Sacking the manager now is daft, back him in January to get the central defender and striker we need, let's see the finished article Sack him now and get a proper continental manager Why does it matter where the manager is from? Perhaps you just mean 'competent' manager. It's really weird how people are just gravitating towards exciting names without basis and are happy to watch shite because they are not your typical names. At this level too. Give me a Cresswell over any of this shit, a Whelan, a Carl Cort, Sorenson. I really don't care what their names are or where they are from. This squad looks more disjointed than the shit mad Nath put together, and we are still playing his diamond 🤦♂️. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 6:41:33 GMT
"Our game plan was to come here, frustrate and try keep Leicester at arms length really.
"We wanted to get to the late embers of the game and see if we could have a little bit of a go."
17 new footballers and he's trying to drag a game to the end before he has a 'little' bit of a go.
You shameful, shameful man.
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 8, 2023 6:42:33 GMT
Sack him now and get a proper continental manager Why does it matter where the manager is from? Perhaps you just mean 'competent' manager. It's really weird how people are just gravitating towards exciting names without basis and are happy to watch shite because they are not your typical names. At this level too. Give me a Cresswell over any of this shit, a Whelan, a Carl Cort, Sorenson. I really don't care what their names are or where they are from. This squad looks more disjointed than the shit mad Nath put together, and we are still playing his diamond 🤦♂️. It's not disjointed it's just lacking a few pieces and nursing a lot of casualties |
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 8, 2023 7:35:06 GMT
Didn't expect much today, but again we show that we aren't good enough in any of the boxes. Looks like we are in for a long season again. If we aren't top 12 by January I would sack Neil. No excuses any longer with the budget he has been given.  What budget is this ? Minus net spend on transfers even though some of the punts look pretty decent. I’ll stick thanks even though I’m not sure how big of a part the manager is in this. His here and now’s look pretty shit. We had the biggest net spend in the league, but I know this doesn't give the full picture because of all the money some clubs had from big sales. Despite this Neil was given a decent budget to spend on new players, and even though we all knew we needed another left back, another central defender and a striker this never materialized. Now, it has come back to haunt us, and we are playing with midfielders in more than one position at the back. Anyway, how long can the board accept less than one point per game on average before they react? My belief in Neil is fading rapidly and not without a reason! |
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Post by tqstokie on Oct 8, 2023 9:21:58 GMT
You could clearly see the plan but you are likely to lose more games playing like that than winning. I was disappointed with his attitude to subs, it was futile in the 88th minute. It was an ideal opportunity for Sidibe to get 30 minutes at least. Johnson slowed us down every time he had the ball by being caught on the ball or passing backwards. Nathan should really have scored with the header but the chance from the Junior cross was very difficult because of the pace on the cross. It might have flown in if he could have got a touch but it was not the sitter many have claimed.
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Post by baconburger on Oct 8, 2023 10:03:51 GMT
What budget is this ? Minus net spend on transfers even though some of the punts look pretty decent. I’ll stick thanks even though I’m not sure how big of a part the manager is in this. His here and now’s look pretty shit. We had the biggest net spend in the league, but I know this doesn't give the full picture because of all the money some clubs had from big sales. Despite this Neil was given a decent budget to spend on new players, and even though we all knew we needed another left back, another central defender and a striker this never materialized. Now, it has come back to haunt us, and we are playing with midfielders in more than one position at the back. Anyway, how long can the board accept less than one point per game on average before they react? My belief in Neil is fading rapidly and not without a reason! Biggest net spend my arse that’s people drawing a line where it suits their argument. I couldn’t care less whether he stays or goes but the club is £7.5M to £10M in the black on player trading over his tenure. We needed so much and didn’t get everything we needed, plenty of what we did get looks promising and let’s not forget these owners awful taste in football managers. He’s not doing nearly well enough but could still be better than their next great idea. Obviously a time will come where if things don’t improve his position becomes untenable. We’re not there yet for me, revisit the subject in December. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 8, 2023 12:03:40 GMT
"Our game plan was to come here, frustrate and try keep Leicester at arms length really. "We wanted to get to the late embers of the game and see if we could have a little bit of a go." 17 new footballers and he's trying to drag a game to the end before he has a 'little' bit of a go. You shameful, shameful man. Won’t deny he should have made a change at 1-0 but I don’t get what you mean by this? We were never going to “go for it” yesterday with the squad we had, we could have got absolutely battered and the same people moaning about the approach would have moaned we’d been tanked. The 17 players don’t matter too much when you’ve got 2 goalkeepers and 2 16 year olds on the bench. Yesterday doesn’t define anything. We’d have needed to have played the best we ever have done probably since relegation with half a squad to get anything from it. Y |
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 8, 2023 13:00:19 GMT
We had the biggest net spend in the league, but I know this doesn't give the full picture because of all the money some clubs had from big sales. Despite this Neil was given a decent budget to spend on new players, and even though we all knew we needed another left back, another central defender and a striker this never materialized. Now, it has come back to haunt us, and we are playing with midfielders in more than one position at the back. Anyway, how long can the board accept less than one point per game on average before they react? My belief in Neil is fading rapidly and not without a reason! Biggest net spend my arse that’s people drawing a line where it suits their argument. I couldn’t care less whether he stays or goes but the club is £7.5M to £10M in the black on player trading over his tenure. We needed so much and didn’t get everything we needed, plenty of what we did get looks promising and let’s not forget these owners awful taste in football managers. He’s not doing nearly well enough but could still be better than their next great idea. Obviously a time will come where if things don’t improve his position becomes untenable. We’re not there yet for me, revisit the subject in December. I agree to that! If things don't improve December is the time to go so a new manager can get the window to bring in 3-4 needed players!  |
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Post by pavel on Oct 8, 2023 13:12:33 GMT
"Our game plan was to come here, frustrate and try keep Leicester at arms length really. "We wanted to get to the late embers of the game and see if we could have a little bit of a go." 17 new footballers and he's trying to drag a game to the end before he has a 'little' bit of a go. You shameful, shameful man. God he must think he's untouchable coming out with that shit. It's an absolutely damning indictment of a negative, cowardly and utterly limited manager and he's said it himself. For all I believe a change of manager is fraught with danger unless we modernise our structure in line with other successful clubs I just want Neil gone and gone as soon as possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 13:14:15 GMT
"Our game plan was to come here, frustrate and try keep Leicester at arms length really. "We wanted to get to the late embers of the game and see if we could have a little bit of a go." 17 new footballers and he's trying to drag a game to the end before he has a 'little' bit of a go. You shameful, shameful man. Won’t deny he should have made a change at 1-0 but I don’t get what you mean by this? We were never going to “go for it” yesterday with the squad we had, we could have got absolutely battered and the same people moaning about the approach would have moaned we’d been tanked. The 17 players don’t matter too much when you’ve got 2 goalkeepers and 2 16 year olds on the bench. Yesterday doesn’t define anything. We’d have needed to have played the best we ever have done probably since relegation with half a squad to get anything from it. Y I think there is a middle ground between expectation and reality, and going for it and parking the bus here. The manager has admitted that his whole game plan was to sit tight and have a little bit of a go at the end of a game. It's a shameful thing to admit to or even plan to do when you have fans paying good money and taking out a fair chunk of time to go and travel. Most fans are realistic in their outlook but there really is no excuse to plan to go into an 11 v 11 game of football with no ambition to win it and that is what the manager has done here by his own admission. Injuries are not only no excuse but it's also pretty damn brainless to set up to sit deep in a low block and automatically put pressure on the most injury ravaged and weakest part of your team. He's done himself no favours here and he should hang his head in shame. |
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Post by davethebass on Oct 8, 2023 13:40:28 GMT
Won’t deny he should have made a change at 1-0 but I don’t get what you mean by this? We were never going to “go for it” yesterday with the squad we had, we could have got absolutely battered and the same people moaning about the approach would have moaned we’d been tanked. The 17 players don’t matter too much when you’ve got 2 goalkeepers and 2 16 year olds on the bench. Yesterday doesn’t define anything. We’d have needed to have played the best we ever have done probably since relegation with half a squad to get anything from it. Y I think there is a middle ground between expectation and reality, and going for it and parking the bus here. The manager has admitted that his whole game plan was to sit tight and have a little bit of a go at the end of a game. It's a shameful thing to admit to or even plan to do when you have fans paying good money and taking out a fair chunk of time to go and travel. Most fans are realistic in their outlook but there really is no excuse to plan to go into an 11 v 11 game of football with no ambition to win it and that is what the manager has done here by his own admission. Injuries are not only no excuse but it's also pretty damn brainless to set up to sit deep in a low block and automatically put pressure on the most injury ravaged and weakest part of your team. He's done himself no favours here and he should hang his head in shame. It's not showing no ambition win though in my opinion. If we'd just gone for it we'd probably have got hammered. The plan was to defend, then if we could keep it to 0-0 try nick one at the end when they'd have less time to respond. It's a commonly adopted tactic to try and win a game against the odds in those circumstances. We were an incomplete squad depleted by injuries away to the top team in the division, lots of people would agree that was a realistic tactic to try get something out of the game. I totally understand you wanting us to have been less defensive, and to be honest I'd have preferred that myself too. But I do understand Neil's tactics for the game, and I don't think he needs to hang his head in shame in my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 13:55:21 GMT
I think there is a middle ground between expectation and reality, and going for it and parking the bus here. The manager has admitted that his whole game plan was to sit tight and have a little bit of a go at the end of a game. It's a shameful thing to admit to or even plan to do when you have fans paying good money and taking out a fair chunk of time to go and travel. Most fans are realistic in their outlook but there really is no excuse to plan to go into an 11 v 11 game of football with no ambition to win it and that is what the manager has done here by his own admission. Injuries are not only no excuse but it's also pretty damn brainless to set up to sit deep in a low block and automatically put pressure on the most injury ravaged and weakest part of your team. He's done himself no favours here and he should hang his head in shame. It's not showing no ambition win though in my opinion. If we'd just gone for it we'd probably have got hammered. The plan was to defend, then if we could keep it to 0-0 try nick one at the end when they'd have less time to respond. It's a commonly adopted tactic to try and win a game against the odds in those circumstances. We were an incomplete squad depleted by injuries away to the top team in the division, lots of people would agree that was a realistic tactic to try get something out of the game. I totally understand you wanting us to have been less defensive, and to be honest I'd have preferred that myself too. But I do understand Neil's tactics for the game, and I don't think he needs to hang his head in shame in my opinion. I've not said we should have 'gone for it' gung go Bossie style, but there is a middle ground between that and admitting you have purposely locked the team down with the sole goal of only having a 'little bit' of a go in the death throws of a game. Was it beyond us to plan to attack them when the opportunity arose at any other stage of the game? To not have a single shot on target in the first 45 minutes of a game is just rank bad and embarrassing at any level of football, regardless of who was missing. What are we talking here, half of a back four? Sorry, not good enough and no excuses. |
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Post by pavel on Oct 8, 2023 14:18:43 GMT
I think there is a middle ground between expectation and reality, and going for it and parking the bus here. The manager has admitted that his whole game plan was to sit tight and have a little bit of a go at the end of a game. It's a shameful thing to admit to or even plan to do when you have fans paying good money and taking out a fair chunk of time to go and travel. Most fans are realistic in their outlook but there really is no excuse to plan to go into an 11 v 11 game of football with no ambition to win it and that is what the manager has done here by his own admission. Injuries are not only no excuse but it's also pretty damn brainless to set up to sit deep in a low block and automatically put pressure on the most injury ravaged and weakest part of your team. He's done himself no favours here and he should hang his head in shame. It's not showing no ambition win though in my opinion. If we'd just gone for it we'd probably have got hammered. The plan was to defend, then if we could keep it to 0-0 try nick one at the end when they'd have less time to respond. It's a commonly adopted tactic to try and win a game against the odds in those circumstances. We were an incomplete squad depleted by injuries away to the top team in the division, lots of people would agree that was a realistic tactic to try get something out of the game. I totally understand you wanting us to have been less defensive, and to be honest I'd have preferred that myself too. But I do understand Neil's tactics for the game, and I don't think he needs to hang his head in shame in my opinion. The problem was it wasn't a plan, it was a capitulation, a good plan allows for flexibility, the possibility of a counter attack throughout the game, not waiting for the dying embers of the game to try and rouse a dormant on the back foot, backs against the wall team approach. The plan failed when we went 1-0 down and still nothing changed, the subs at 88 minutes tells a pertinent story of a man lacking ambition, nous and bravery. A man who certainly should hold his head in shame for this approach as well as his awful, awful record to date and his stupidity in thinking 3 centre backs was enough to get us through a season. |
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Post by davethebass on Oct 8, 2023 14:30:57 GMT
It's not showing no ambition win though in my opinion. If we'd just gone for it we'd probably have got hammered. The plan was to defend, then if we could keep it to 0-0 try nick one at the end when they'd have less time to respond. It's a commonly adopted tactic to try and win a game against the odds in those circumstances. We were an incomplete squad depleted by injuries away to the top team in the division, lots of people would agree that was a realistic tactic to try get something out of the game. I totally understand you wanting us to have been less defensive, and to be honest I'd have preferred that myself too. But I do understand Neil's tactics for the game, and I don't think he needs to hang his head in shame in my opinion. I've not said we should have 'gone for it' gung go Bossie style, but there is a middle ground between that and admitting you have purposely locked the team down with the sole goal of only having a 'little bit' of a go in the death throws of a game. Was it beyond us to plan to attack them when the opportunity arose at any other stage of the game? To not have a single shot on target in the first 45 minutes of a game is just rank bad and embarrassing at any level of football, regardless of who was missing. What are we talking here, half of a back four? Sorry, not good enough and no excuses. Didnt think you were saying we should have gone Bossie style, should have made that clearer, I just thought you wanted us be less defensive, like I said in my last paragraph. To be fair we did attack in the first 45, like Nathan's missed chance from Junior's cross, it's just when we did get opportunities to be further upfield we tended to waste it by misplaced passes or hesitancy on the ball. Funny thing is I actually agree with everything you've said there about how you think we should have played, like I said I would have preferred that too. It's just I don't agree with criticising Neil for his tactics, because it is a commonly accepted game plan in those circumstances. |
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Post by davethebass on Oct 8, 2023 14:57:51 GMT
It's not showing no ambition win though in my opinion. If we'd just gone for it we'd probably have got hammered. The plan was to defend, then if we could keep it to 0-0 try nick one at the end when they'd have less time to respond. It's a commonly adopted tactic to try and win a game against the odds in those circumstances. We were an incomplete squad depleted by injuries away to the top team in the division, lots of people would agree that was a realistic tactic to try get something out of the game. I totally understand you wanting us to have been less defensive, and to be honest I'd have preferred that myself too. But I do understand Neil's tactics for the game, and I don't think he needs to hang his head in shame in my opinion. The problem was it wasn't a plan, it was a capitulation, a good plan allows for flexibility, the possibility of a counter attack throughout the game, not waiting for the dying embers of the game to try and rouse a dormant on the back foot, backs against the wall team approach. The plan failed when we went 1-0 down and still nothing changed, the subs at 88 minutes tells a pertinent story of a man lacking ambition, nous and bravery. A man who certainly should hold his head in shame for this approach as well as his awful, awful record to date and his stupidity in thinking 3 centre backs was enough to get us through a season. Like I just said to onlooker, I think we did try show that flexibility, like with Nathan's missed chances, it's just that most the time when we did try to counter we usually failed to keep possession of the ball. I agree regards the subs, I think he should have freshened things up, I did wonder if it was on his mind (was it the Hull game) when we were chasing the game and he made subs and we lost momentum, I wondered if that was on his mind. Anyway, whatever, the tactics were too negative for me too. It's just I don't think Neil should hang his head in shame for it, because they are acceptable tactics for trying to get a result against a superior team away from home. As for his record to date, I honestly don't know what any other manager would have done with that squad last season. And this season, with an influx of so many new players, then all the injuries, I still don't know! To be honest recently I was on the brink of thinking he should go, but for now I still think give him a bit more time. |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 8, 2023 15:20:25 GMT
I’m all in favour of giving AN the whole season and the January window. As long as we see a strong second half of the season. But compare Man United and Stoke today. Utd 0-1 down, 90 minutes on the clock, make a substitution to try and win it. Score twice in injury time and win 2-1. AN said he didn’t bring Vidigal on because it was a lost cause. I can’t support that. That’s is giving up. It’s small thinking. It’s not good enough from a manager and sends a very negative signal to the players. Compare Man U and Stoke? What a stupid assertion! Man U were at home against a team below them in the league and have no significant injury problems. We were away to the runaway leaders with barely enough fit players to put a team out. I agree AN was still too hesitant but let's stay somewhere close to reality. |
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Post by nott1 on Oct 8, 2023 15:40:48 GMT
He's got about six more weeks of losses before he gets the chop I reckon!
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