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Post by wakeypotter on Oct 7, 2023 16:36:34 GMT
Could have put a young lad on bench if not wanting to risk him. Utterly pointless It depends how desperate it got, more injuries and we may not have had a choice but to bring him on. But that’s not an answer we could have brought a young lad on all the same. If he’s not fit shouldn’t be on the bench he’s taking someone else’s spot.
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Post by soulsurvivor on Oct 7, 2023 16:37:57 GMT
Atmosphere was good, its Stoke after all! The half time banter outside was class! Fans appreciated we were never going to win but feel he could have gone for it at 1-0 and who knows what would have happened # away days are fun
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 7, 2023 16:40:10 GMT
It depends how desperate it got, more injuries and we may not have had a choice but to bring him on. But that’s not an answer we could have brought a young lad on all the same. If he’s not fit shouldn’t be on the bench he’s taking someone else’s spot. Okay but who's this young lad? Is there one? Edit: I'm guessing we had two keepers because there isn't one.
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Post by sealion100 on Oct 7, 2023 16:40:54 GMT
Players putting the effort in ! Fans fantastic Manager poor Don’t think today defines our season, but we need players back, fit and fighting for everything
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 7, 2023 16:42:19 GMT
You’re usually a sensible poster but your stance on this is daft. If he’s not fit to play don’t put him on the bench full stop. What was the atmosphere like amongst the fans mate? Fans in good voice. Enjoyed the atmosphere. Great turnout to be fair considering the patch we are going through. Few boos at the end and the self deprecating singing didn’t reflect well on Neil. Today was always a tough ask but I’ve turned on Neil now, can’t see him improving us. Fucking Vardy giving it large in front of the fans was a bit of a sickener but in fairness we fairly abused his missus 😆
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 7, 2023 16:45:48 GMT
Didn't expect much today, but again we show that we aren't good enough in any of the boxes. Looks like we are in for a long season again. If we aren't top 12 by January I would sack Neil. No excuses any longer with the budget he has been given.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Oct 7, 2023 16:46:11 GMT
The first half was the most disgraceful pathetic attempt at playing a football a match I’ve ever seen. We’ve played all of the biggest teams in the world in our recent history, and we’ve never surrendered like we did today.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 7, 2023 16:47:16 GMT
At least today confirmed a few things, Junior should be number one choice full back, Burger has to be found a position on the best 11 and Jun ho has to play whenever fit..
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 7, 2023 16:47:32 GMT
Atmosphere was good, its Stoke after all! The half time banter outside was class! Fans appreciated we were never going to win but feel he could have gone for it at 1-0 and who knows what would have happened # away days are fun You're clearly a masochist. (I know of some very exclusive 'gatherings' that I could get you an invite to, if you're interested? 😉)
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Post by soulsurvivor on Oct 7, 2023 16:47:38 GMT
We will come good either with or without Neil, our players need to believe as much as the fans but feel we could have gone for a draw
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 7, 2023 16:50:07 GMT
We are now even behind teams like Huddersfield and Plymouth! How the mighty have fallen!
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Post by wearepremierleague on Oct 7, 2023 16:52:20 GMT
Atmosphere was good, its Stoke after all! The half time banter outside was class! Fans appreciated we were never going to win but feel he could have gone for it at 1-0 and who knows what would have happened # away days are fun You're clearly a masochist. (I know of some very exclusive 'gatherings' that I could get you an invite to, if you're interested? 😉) What?
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Post by stokemark on Oct 7, 2023 16:55:12 GMT
His record speaks volume
Atrocious
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Post by soulsurvivor on Oct 7, 2023 17:04:44 GMT
Not sure what you guts want Supporting Stoke is not easy, paid for my ticket had a good day out never expected to win enjoy it. If you want go support Man city
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 7, 2023 17:13:10 GMT
I can't see where our next point is coming from, Sunderland, Leeds, Middlesboro Cardiff. Even if we have all our players back, you just know AN will consentrate om them instead of letting the players go for it.
Lose all those, we won't just be in the bottom 3,we could even be adrift of the 4th bottom.
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 7, 2023 17:35:55 GMT
Didn't expect much today, but again we show that we aren't good enough in any of the boxes. Looks like we are in for a long season again. If we aren't top 12 by January I would sack Neil. No excuses any longer with the budget he has been given. I would say top 12 is as delusional as they come. There's no indication what do ever that we are a top half team. Zero. We have lost 7 from 11. People say the players 'tried hard'. What???? They looked clueless and limited in ability! And have done almost all season. Our regular form is shit and we still lose when we try to play to our higher form. When we are low form we get absolutely annihilated. That's bottom 6 stuff right there.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Oct 7, 2023 17:36:37 GMT
Typical overreaction we were never going to achieve anything today with the number of players we had missing. I honestly believe we will turn it around but it won't be quick so get used to it. Agree, never likely to get anything from this game / odds firmly against us. What I can’t get my head around is that after 70 mins we were well in the game, the longer it went on at 1-0 the more nervous Leicester we’re getting, and less ambitious. That was the time to bring some subs on. But we didn’t, and we let them make changes and didn’t respond. I found that to be extremely crap management - if we lose 2-0 from there so what? But we had everything to gain by going for the jugular. With this manager we are so worried about how the opposition can hurt us we cannot impose ourselves on games. So perhaps an overreaction in isolation, but this has just cemented for me why this guy isn’t right for us. Same here! He can fuck off as far as I’m concerned, any manager who is prepared to accept defeat when only one down is not a Stoke City manager!
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Oct 7, 2023 17:40:40 GMT
Tezgel scored for u18s today hopefully back in contention soon.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Oct 7, 2023 17:41:22 GMT
Typical overreaction we were never going to achieve anything today with the number of players we had missing. I honestly believe we will turn it around but it won't be quick so get used to it. I don’t get how anyone not happy with that performance is overreacting. So so poor once again, yes we have injuries but what team doesn’t. We are in this mess because of poor management end of. As a club and fans we have to stop accepting such poor performances, get some pride back in the club. We just lose games now and it’s deemed acceptable, I don’t get it You know I was going to type a different response and then I thought fuck it, I cant be bothered. I am a realist and the team I support is an average team with an average manager what the hell do you think you will achieve by sacking him and replacing him with another average manager. Maybe just maybe once in a while we get a bit of success and it usually happens when you stick by the one you have. If the fans had their way we wouldn't have won the league Cup because Waddington would have been sacked, same with Pulis and Hughes. The majority of football clubs are unsuccessful and few get to win anything. We have had far worse periods in our history and I cant quite decide why fans are so negative nowadays is it the fact they were spoilt by 10 years in the Premier league or just a sense of entitlement that everyone seems to have nowadays?
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Post by independent on Oct 7, 2023 18:02:13 GMT
I don’t get how anyone not happy with that performance is overreacting. So so poor once again, yes we have injuries but what team doesn’t. We are in this mess because of poor management end of. As a club and fans we have to stop accepting such poor performances, get some pride back in the club. We just lose games now and it’s deemed acceptable, I don’t get it You know I was going to type a different response and then I thought fuck it, I cant be bothered. I am a realist and the team I support is an average team with an average manager what the hell do you think you will achieve by sacking him and replacing him with another average manager. Maybe just maybe once in a while we get a bit of success and it usually happens when you stick by the one you have. If the fans had their way we wouldn't have won the league Cup because Waddington would have been sacked, same with Pulis and Hughes. The majority of football clubs are unsuccessful and few get to win anything. We have had far worse periods in our history and I cant quite decide why fans are so negative nowadays is it the fact they were spoilt by 10 years in the Premier league or just a sense of entitlement that everyone seems to have nowadays? "It won't be quick". I admire your faith in a manager who is achieving .91 PPG. How long do you think it will take and when should we panic? Has any previous manager had a worse record over any 11 games?
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 7, 2023 18:09:38 GMT
Didn't expect much today, but again we show that we aren't good enough in any of the boxes. Looks like we are in for a long season again. If we aren't top 12 by January I would sack Neil. No excuses any longer with the budget he has been given. I would say top 12 is as delusional as they come. There's no indication what do ever that we are a top half team. Zero. We have lost 7 from 11. People say the players 'tried hard'. What???? They looked clueless and limited in ability! And have done almost all season. Our regular form is shit and we still lose when we try to play to our higher form. When we are low form we get absolutely annihilated. That's bottom 6 stuff right there. It might be, but if that isn't what is expected Neil needs to go! Lack of ambition is not the way to promotion!
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Post by dirtclod on Oct 7, 2023 18:13:36 GMT
Would normally brag that I predicted the score right,[Edit - I just did] but nah...would rather have been proven wrong and snagged a point or 3. Agree with Stokeoptimist. It's not like we'd get Carlo Ancelotti, Xabi Alonso or Thomas Tuchel as manager here. (This year anyway! )
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Post by independent on Oct 7, 2023 18:18:19 GMT
Over the last 3 seasons the 12th placed team has had between 60 and 64 points. I think that might be just a little beyond us this season.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Oct 7, 2023 18:19:02 GMT
I don’t get how anyone not happy with that performance is overreacting. So so poor once again, yes we have injuries but what team doesn’t. We are in this mess because of poor management end of. As a club and fans we have to stop accepting such poor performances, get some pride back in the club. We just lose games now and it’s deemed acceptable, I don’t get it You know I was going to type a different response and then I thought fuck it, I cant be bothered. I am a realist and the team I support is an average team with an average manager what the hell do you think you will achieve by sacking him and replacing him with another average manager. Maybe just maybe once in a while we get a bit of success and it usually happens when you stick by the one you have. If the fans had their way we wouldn't have won the league Cup because Waddington would have been sacked, same with Pulis and Hughes. The majority of football clubs are unsuccessful and few get to win anything. We have had far worse periods in our history and I cant quite decide why fans are so negative nowadays is it the fact they were spoilt by 10 years in the Premier league or just a sense of entitlement that everyone seems to have nowadays? Typical “Little Stoke”mentality! I don’t expect us to win every match, but I do expect us to compete and not accept a low-scoring defeat! What sort of message does that send to the players?? I take your point about Waddo in particular, I remember chants of “Waddington out!” when we were struggling at the bottom of the First Division, before we really started to push on, but I can’t ever remember feeling like we accepted a 1-0 defeat!
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 7, 2023 18:20:00 GMT
You know I was going to type a different response and then I thought fuck it, I cant be bothered. I am a realist and the team I support is an average team with an average manager what the hell do you think you will achieve by sacking him and replacing him with another average manager. Maybe just maybe once in a while we get a bit of success and it usually happens when you stick by the one you have. If the fans had their way we wouldn't have won the league Cup because Waddington would have been sacked, same with Pulis and Hughes. The majority of football clubs are unsuccessful and few get to win anything. We have had far worse periods in our history and I cant quite decide why fans are so negative nowadays is it the fact they were spoilt by 10 years in the Premier league or just a sense of entitlement that everyone seems to have nowadays? "It won't be quick". I admire your faith in a manager who is achieving .91 PPG. How long do you think it will take and when should we panic? Has any previous manager had a worse record over any 11 games? None of them have had to bring in 17 new players from all over the globe, have little to no pre-season and had their key new attacking signings unavailable
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Oct 7, 2023 18:33:23 GMT
"It won't be quick". I admire your faith in a manager who is achieving .91 PPG. How long do you think it will take and when should we panic? Has any previous manager had a worse record over any 11 games? None of them have had to bring in 17 new players from all over the globe, have little to no pre-season and had their key new attacking signings unavailable I get that! But with, say 20 mins to go at 1-0 down, why not bring on Vidigal (if he can’t manage 20 mins, why have him on the bench?) or Haks, or even Gayle? Why just sit there and let it carry on as it was?
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Post by soulsurvivor on Oct 7, 2023 18:34:54 GMT
Little Stoke? We are not Real Madrid just enjoy the ride we won't go down. Once we are clear of injuries with this Manager or another we will be OK
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 7, 2023 18:40:18 GMT
None of them have had to bring in 17 new players from all over the globe, have little to no pre-season and had their key new attacking signings unavailable I get that! But with, say 20 mins to go at 1-0 down, why not bring on Vidigal (if he can’t manage 20 mins, why have him on the bench?) or Haks, or even Gayle? Why just sit there and let it carry on as it was? I don't know his reasoning and I'm not sticking up for him here but I myself thought we looked to be coming into the game later and I assume we didn't want to upset any progress we were making. I wouldn't have started Lowe though, I think it's time to give a proven scorer a good run now in Gayle ahead of Wesley at least until Mmaee returns. Four good chances Lowe has had in the last two games, it's not good enough. It's not like we arnt creating chances, even with a decimated team we should have gone in 1-1 at the break today, then one guilt edge chance straight at the restart, it's unacceptable. We need someone who will stick these chances away because goals change games. He's doing well for his age Lowe to even be in the reckoning and I championed playing him myself not long back but maybe not starting atm. He has plenty of time on his side I also think vidigal has got a niggling injury and we don't want him to come back to early to flare it up again whatever it is
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Post by baconburger on Oct 7, 2023 18:45:01 GMT
Didn't expect much today, but again we show that we aren't good enough in any of the boxes. Looks like we are in for a long season again. If we aren't top 12 by January I would sack Neil. No excuses any longer with the budget he has been given. What budget is this ? Minus net spend on transfers even though some of the punts look pretty decent. I’ll stick thanks even though I’m not sure how big of a part the manager is in this. His here and now’s look pretty shit.
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Post by independent on Oct 7, 2023 19:08:51 GMT
"It won't be quick". I admire your faith in a manager who is achieving .91 PPG. How long do you think it will take and when should we panic? Has any previous manager had a worse record over any 11 games? None of them have had to bring in 17 new players from all over the globe, have little to no pre-season and had their key new attacking signings unavailable AN didn't have to bring in 17 players from all over the globe. He chose to do so. He also chose to sell players and not resign others. Nobody prevented him from buying players in June or July and having them fit and ready to go at the start of the season. He took a chance with his CBs last year and got away with it. He did the same this year and got caught out. When MON was short of defenders his record was 15 draws in the season. Why can't AN do the same at least?
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