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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 29, 2023 20:54:34 GMT
Simply out of interest I wonder what the story is behind the story is behind his loan at Stoke, his subsequent move to Sunderland and his current success (all the very best to him). .
Failure on our behalf, luck on Sunderland’s behalf, insightful management or purely coincidental and one of those quirks of football?
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Post by lordb on Sept 29, 2023 20:57:52 GMT
I genuinely thought he looked reasonably bright when he was here
Was bemused by the derision he got
Same with Angus Gunn
Gunn
Northington-Davies
Clarke, JPB all good players
I see Sima getting some form up at Rangers too
Not sure Matondo is doing much though
Sterling is the one who we really missed out, and he clearly got good money up there, shame.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 29, 2023 20:58:37 GMT
He was coming off the back of a major injury wasn't he and was bang out of minutes on the pitch IIRC?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 21:00:25 GMT
Been a fan since Leeds to be honest, mainly as I love a gangly winger  He wasn’t too bad here, good technical player that linked play up well. Mowbray seems like a great man manager who improves players, so he’s gone to another level under him at Sunderland. It’s a far cry from what we have at the moment where it feels like players are getting worse, which is a huge shame. Fingers crossed our next manager is in that mold of man managers who can improve players. That’s where the wins, promotions and ultimately money will come from for teams like us. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 21:17:09 GMT
it perhaps looked from the outside that he joined us a year early and came good at sunderland.
i think this may have put us off going for Andrew Moran ...another talented youngster ...going to come good at some point ...but when?
Think Moran went to Blackburn ? not sure ? but i see his picture in the paper celebrating a goal , so he is probably coming good already
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 29, 2023 21:18:12 GMT
Got a couple of niggly injuries during his loan spell which derailed it ultimately, shame as he's clearly a talent.........
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 29, 2023 21:18:41 GMT
it perhaps looked from the outside that he joined us a year early and came good at sunderland. i think this may have put us off going for Andrew Moran ...another talented youngster ...going to come good at some point ...but when? Think Moran went to Blackburn ? not sure ? but i see his picture in the paper celebrating a goal , so he is probably coming good already Scored 2 and assisted 2 in the same game the other night...... |
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Post by a on Sept 29, 2023 21:36:42 GMT
Simply out of interest I wonder what the story is behind the story is behind his loan at Stoke, his subsequent move to Sunderland and his current success (all the very best to him). . Failure on our behalf, luck on Sunderland’s behalf, insightful management or purely coincidental and one of those quirks of football? Seems a few have done well, THB, Ositard, even Matondo. We look more of the issue than the ex-players sadly. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 29, 2023 21:42:59 GMT
Simply out of interest I wonder what the story is behind the story is behind his loan at Stoke, his subsequent move to Sunderland and his current success (all the very best to him). . Failure on our behalf, luck on Sunderland’s behalf, insightful management or purely coincidental and one of those quirks of football? He was very young, had barely played football for 2 seasons and was also recovering from a long term injury I think. More a case of having him at the wrong time I suspect than anything we or he did wrong particularly. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 29, 2023 22:12:06 GMT
Simply out of interest I wonder what the story is behind the story is behind his loan at Stoke, his subsequent move to Sunderland and his current success (all the very best to him). . Failure on our behalf, luck on Sunderland’s behalf, insightful management or purely coincidental and one of those quirks of football? He was very young, had barely played football for 2 seasons and was also recovering from a long term injury I think. More a case of having him at the wrong time I suspect than anything we or he did wrong particularly. This. Right player. Wrong time. He looks to be fulfilling his potential now though! |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 29, 2023 23:12:14 GMT
He wasn't fully fit when he was here. He looked bright but never got into his stride but you could tell he was struggling a bit with the pace of the game. He hadn't played for a while when he came here. He's obviously fulfilling his potential now after playing regular football.
I dont think its qualifies as another stick to beat the club tbh
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Post by onionman on Sept 30, 2023 0:46:46 GMT
We would sign Leonardo da Vinci on loan and he’d break his finger and draw a picture of a stick man, lose his place to Jordan Thompson then resurface at Coventry or Aberdeen and paint the fucking Mona Lisa.
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 30, 2023 6:01:39 GMT
I could tell he was a good player when he was here.
Never quite happened for him during that loan but there were definite signs of his quality. Some fans did nothing but slate him, however. You can probably guess who his main hater was.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 30, 2023 6:05:53 GMT
I could tell he was a good player when he was here. Never quite happened for him during that loan but there were definite signs of his quality. Some fans did nothing but slate him, however. You can probably guess who his main hater was. The phrase “he’s not a winger he’s a midfielder” echoes in my mind |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 30, 2023 6:08:56 GMT
I could tell he was a good player when he was here. Never quite happened for him during that loan but there were definite signs of his quality. Some fans did nothing but slate him, however. You can probably guess who his main hater was. His main problem was that he wasn't called Thibaud. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 30, 2023 6:09:06 GMT
I could tell he was a good player when he was here. Never quite happened for him during that loan but there were definite signs of his quality. Some fans did nothing but slate him, however. You can probably guess who his main hater was. The phrase “he’s not a winger he’s a midfielder” echoes in my mind Yes, "he's not a winger, he's a number 10." "He's not the next Thibaud Verlinden, he's a very naughty boy." |
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 30, 2023 6:12:54 GMT
Those list of players above is interesting including THB, Ostigard and Matondo aswell as Clarke. All signed by MON which proves maybe our recruitment under him wasn't so bad and maybe whilst there were oversights like a lack of a tackling DM, where a passing DM was his preference, he was starting to go down the right track and was targeting the right players.
All water under the bridge now though which is a shame.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 30, 2023 6:39:06 GMT
The bet365 curse
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Sept 30, 2023 7:01:52 GMT
Perhaps we've just become a bit of a graveyard for players.
And actual football itself.
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Post by marwood on Sept 30, 2023 7:22:43 GMT
He was very young, had barely played football for 2 seasons and was also recovering from a long term injury I think. More a case of having him at the wrong time I suspect than anything we or he did wrong particularly. This. Right player. Wrong time. He looks to be fulfilling his potential now though! My view too Wasn’t it COVID closed doors time as well? I wasn’t at my best then either, would hate to be judged on that |
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Post by lordb on Sept 30, 2023 7:24:55 GMT
I could tell he was a good player when he was here. Never quite happened for him during that loan but there were definite signs of his quality. Some fans did nothing but slate him, however. You can probably guess who his main hater was. The phrase “he’s not a winger he’s a midfielder” echoes in my mind Yes that was the argument, it was absurd |
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Post by Waggy on Sept 30, 2023 7:40:07 GMT
The common denominator is Stoke City. All players doing well. We just don't seem to play them right and that lad we had from Villa on loan - winger- he would play a good game then he would be dropped by O’Neil in favour of a back 5.
I thought Clarke showed good signs for us and a good run would have come good. Typical.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 30, 2023 8:06:02 GMT
Young players are inconsistent, it's a shame a lot of fans don't appreciate that and are too quick to judge.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 30, 2023 8:26:09 GMT
We would sign Leonardo da Vinci on loan and he’d break his finger and draw a picture of a stick man, lose his place to Jordan Thompson then resurface at Coventry or Aberdeen and paint the fucking Mona Lisa. His move to Spurs did him no favours.He was sent back to Leeds for 12 months and hardly kicked a ball. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 30, 2023 9:13:34 GMT
Those list of players above is interesting including THB, Ostigard and Matondo aswell as Clarke. All signed by MON which proves maybe our recruitment under him wasn't so bad and maybe whilst there were oversights like a lack of a tackling DM, where a passing DM was his preference, he was starting to go down the right track and was targeting the right players. All water under the bridge now though which is a shame. THB is not looking too good this season. Southampton's defence looks atrocious 19 goals conceded in 8 games, worst in the division. |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 30, 2023 9:52:11 GMT
Those list of players above is interesting including THB, Ostigard and Matondo aswell as Clarke. All signed by MON which proves maybe our recruitment under him wasn't so bad and maybe whilst there were oversights like a lack of a tackling DM, where a passing DM was his preference, he was starting to go down the right track and was targeting the right players. All water under the bridge now though which is a shame. THB is not looking too good this season. Southampton's defence looks atrocious 19 goals conceded in 8 games, worst in the division. He was one I didn't rate. For a Man City player I thought his passing was mediocre |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 30, 2023 12:29:41 GMT
Young players are inconsistent, it's a shame a lot of fans don't appreciate that and are too quick to judge. Especially when they are inexperienced. They are not FM like robots. |
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Post by topcat on Sept 30, 2023 12:49:52 GMT
I think the simple answer is minutes on the pitch. He came to us in Jan 2022 and looked talented but was inconsistent. Since then, he's made 68 starts is getting fitter, stronger and better with each game.
He'll be a PL player next season regardless of what happens to us this season.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 30, 2023 13:04:58 GMT
Didn't Sunderland pay a fee which pretty much ruled us out!
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Post by metalhead on Sept 30, 2023 19:12:33 GMT
I genuinely thought he looked reasonably bright when he was here Was bemused by the derision he got Same with Angus Gunn Gunn Northington-Davies Clarke, JPB all good players I see Sima getting some form up at Rangers too Not sure Matondo is doing much though Sterling is the one who we really missed out, and he clearly got good money up there, shame. Agreed on Clarke but Gunn was awful |
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