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Post by Milkie on Sept 28, 2023 10:46:11 GMT
As we wallow around trying to find some style that works, lurching ever closer to an inevitable change of manager, leads me to think what is our DNA? Speak to Spurs, Liverpool Man Utd fans they expect high energy, entertaining attacking football, Man City, Arsenal expect a high press, total football solution. Drop down the leagues, Norwich, expect flowing attacking football, Millwall the aggressive high energy in your face style. If we were to identify our DNA and strategic direction that we instil throughout the club what would we go for? For me it’s that stable resilient no nonsense core, based around a keeper, 2 brutal centre half’s, a no nonsense defensive midfielder, 2 hard working wingers that can pick up their defensive duties as well as attack, a maverick centre midfielder to create , a grafting target man and another skilful/ maverick forward, high energy, in your face, aggressive but with the ability to play a bit. at times as well. I hope for the day that we settle on a strategy and recruit for it as opposed to lurching from one managers whim to
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 28, 2023 10:51:22 GMT
Not sure I believe in an inherent DNA - every set of fans thinks their club's 'way' is fast, attacking football, because it's what we all want to see, but when people start talking about 'The Derby County Way' it starts getting a bit silly.
It's possible to develop an identity at any time if you get someone in with a vision and recruit players and managers who fit it and can realise it.
We had that opportunity this summer and have still somehow managed to muddy the waters again. If Neil is sacked, Martin (assuming he stays) needs to look at the squad, who the key people to build around are, what style gets the best out of them, and find a manager who's well versed in that and has some ideas of his own as well.
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Post by onionman on Sept 28, 2023 10:56:04 GMT
Not sure I believe in an inherent DNA - every set of fans thinks their club's 'way' is fast, attacking football, because it's what we all want to see, but when people start talking about 'The Derby County Way' it starts getting a bit silly. It's possible to develop an identity at any time if you get someone in with a vision and recruit players and managers who fit it and can realise it. We had that opportunity this summer and have still somehow managed to muddy the waters again. If Neil is sacked, Martin (assuming he stays) needs to look at the squad, who the key people to build around are, what style gets the best out of them, and find a manager who's well versed in that and has some ideas of his own as well. Chris Wilder it is then. |
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Post by femark on Sept 28, 2023 10:59:39 GMT
Our only "DNA" or overall plan is to give the manager total control. We don't actually have a plan or vision and don't select managers based on anything other than who takes our fancy at the time.
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Post by skip on Sept 28, 2023 11:00:40 GMT
I believe in a team having a spine and a playing method but I don't believe clubs have a DNA. Unless you're New'astle and a bit of a romantic for a club that has won the square root of sod all since rationing.
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Post by swampySCFC on Sept 28, 2023 11:13:28 GMT
DNA stands for did not attend. Something the players and management seem to be accomplished at week in week out
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 28, 2023 11:18:51 GMT
Presently?
Ambling from one pitiful disaster to another.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 28, 2023 11:35:55 GMT
Pre war & after,we were known has a footballing side,also in the 60/70s. Plus for a while under Hughes.
Since then we don't seem to be anything,we haven't played decent football since just before we were relegated,we have been poor defence wise
for a while now,and not prolific in front of goal either.
If we had a DNA then it was been known as a decent footballing side,but has now been lost for quite a while now.
We haven't won much in our history,but we could look forward on knowing on our day we could play the best off the park.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 28, 2023 11:59:01 GMT
Our DNA genuinely seems to be dour grinding football. In my supporting there was the odd blip of Barker pre-POMO, Mills for a glorious few months, Lou, Pulis at home pre Cup Final, Hughes pre League Cup semi and MON during survival season.
Apart from that it's been mainly dour. Supporters seem to like it in a 'We'll play how we want' way.
Perhaps Pulis was right in his steak and chips analogy.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 28, 2023 12:58:27 GMT
Since relegation, we've likely changed our DNA in order to avoid arrest for false-impersonation of a football team.
Agree that giving every manager total control is NOT a good idea. Model has to change to where our owners just put the money up and let football people run it.
Free up the manager to manage the on-field product - none of the past ones were up to doing it all and "multi-tasking" is just the latest mental-illness in our society anyway.
When it isn't running right, owners still have the opportunity to step in and fire up the revolving door again.
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Post by ian57 on Sept 28, 2023 13:06:21 GMT
Failure
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 28, 2023 13:14:24 GMT
Since relegation, we've likely changed our DNA in order to avoid arrest for false-impersonation of a football team. Agree that giving every manager total control is NOT a good idea. Model has to change to where our owners just put the money up and let football people run it. Free up the manager to manage the on-field product - none of the past ones were up to doing it all and "multi-tasking" is just the latest mental-illness in our society anyway. When it isn't running right, owners still have the opportunity to step in and fire up the revolving door again. What was the DNA of the club before that? |
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 28, 2023 13:16:40 GMT
Since relegation, we've likely changed our DNA in order to avoid arrest for false-impersonation of a football team. Agree that giving every manager total control is NOT a good idea. Model has to change to where our owners just put the money up and let football people run it. Free up the manager to manage the on-field product - none of the past ones were up to doing it all and "multi-tasking" is just the latest mental-illness in our society anyway. When it isn't running right, owners still have the opportunity to step in and fire up the revolving door again. What was the DNA of the club before that? Stokealona - all the while watching the press describe us as the old cliche of a "direct" football team, which we hadn't been for years. And I think that we always at least were known to have a defense, not a pushover. But in reality, football clubs don't seem to have a DNA in this modern world of firing managers every year. (or in Watford's case, every week) |
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 28, 2023 13:37:29 GMT
Our DNA is
Stoke City over 150 years of history winning practically nothing.
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Post by franklin on Sept 28, 2023 13:47:10 GMT
Candy floss we melt to nothing in seconds.
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Post by st3mark on Sept 28, 2023 14:18:52 GMT
Our DNA is direct football/long ball switched to counter attack once we get a goal isn't it?
There's been too much build from the back, slow passing from side to side over the last several years. And at the moment we can't even manage that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 28, 2023 14:20:57 GMT
Our DNA is direct football/long ball switched to counter attack once we get a goal isn't it? There's been too much build from the back, slow passing from side to side over the last several years. And at the moment we can't even manage that. How is that our DNA though? It was successful 10-15 years ago under one specific manager? |
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Post by satoshi on Sept 28, 2023 14:24:02 GMT
Whatever it is, passing the ball across the back 4 definitely isn’t it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 28, 2023 14:41:23 GMT
There's no such thing, it's nonsense.
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 28, 2023 14:48:46 GMT
My answer: idle passing and lack of aggression (in and out of possession).
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Post by pavel on Sept 28, 2023 14:51:34 GMT
Mogadon.
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Post by mossleypotter on Sept 28, 2023 16:01:54 GMT
There are many strands to Stoke's current DNA, none of them any good !
Defending Not Adequate
Direction Not Apparent
Directors Not Accountable
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Drinks Not Affordable ?😉
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Sept 28, 2023 16:05:52 GMT
The answer to the question is simple, our DNA is failure.
In our 160 year existence we've won only one major trophy, that was 51 years ago.
The tone was set in our first season of the football league, in 1888. We lost the first game of the inaugural season and finished bottom of the league.
Of the original 12 founder members we're the only club not to win either the League or the FA Cup. Our only FA cup final appearance ended in defeat. The only occasion we came close to winning the League (1947) we cocked it up and fell at the final hurdle.
We seem to accept that we are simply there to make up the numbers, just happy to to take part. Fleeting moments of "success" are followed by long periods of abject failure. Sustained success is not for the likes of us.
I have no idea why our DNA is such. There's something about our club that has and continues to dash our hopes of glory. Managers that have previously been relatively successful continually find the Stoke job a poisoned chalice. The same could be said for many players, their form drops alarmingly as soon as they put on the striped shirt. Who knows why? I don't.
Never mind though, I'll be at Bristol on Saturday, the stubborn optimist, as ever.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 28, 2023 16:33:41 GMT
Our DNA….?
Don’t No Anything
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 28, 2023 16:37:55 GMT
What was the DNA of the club before that? Stokealona - all the while watching the press describe us as the old cliche of a "direct" football team, which we hadn't been for years. And I think that we always at least were known to have a defense, not a pushover. But in reality, football clubs don't seem to have a DNA in this modern world of firing managers every year. (or in Watford's case, every week) My memory was that Stokealona ended at Anfield. |
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 28, 2023 17:18:08 GMT
Stokealona - all the while watching the press describe us as the old cliche of a "direct" football team, which we hadn't been for years. And I think that we always at least were known to have a defense, not a pushover. But in reality, football clubs don't seem to have a DNA in this modern world of firing managers every year. (or in Watford's case, every week) My memory was that Stokealona ended at Anfield. You are correct now that I think of it.  |
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 28, 2023 17:39:50 GMT
Our current DNA is a mixture of jelly, heart of mice, devoid of spine and apathy all wrapped up in a nice soft underbelly.
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Post by st3mark on Sept 28, 2023 18:39:45 GMT
Our DNA is direct football/long ball switched to counter attack once we get a goal isn't it? There's been too much build from the back, slow passing from side to side over the last several years. And at the moment we can't even manage that. How is that our DNA though? It was successful 10-15 years ago under one specific manager? We played with a target man in the 70s as well didn't we? And didnt we play with a target man (iwelumo) during promotion in 2002. And the next promotion with TP. And Boskamp in between used sidibe. I feel that kind of football has taken up a lot of the last 50 years. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 28, 2023 18:44:39 GMT
How is that our DNA though? It was successful 10-15 years ago under one specific manager? We played with a target man in the 70s as well didn't we? And didnt we play with a target man (iwelumo) during promotion in 2002. And the next promotion with TP. And Boskamp in between used sidibe. I feel that kind of football has taken up a lot of the last 50 years. Waddo was before my time but weren't we a passing team known as 'the thinking man's team' in the 70s? With a quality midfield? Not sure we had a reputation as a long ball side then? Boskamp wasn't a long ball merchant either. |
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Post by glpotter on Sept 28, 2023 18:46:28 GMT
As we wallow around trying to find some style that works, lurching ever closer to an inevitable change of manager, leads me to think what is our DNA? Speak to Spurs, Liverpool Man Utd fans they expect high energy, entertaining attacking football, Man City, Arsenal expect a high press, total football solution. Drop down the leagues, Norwich, expect flowing attacking football, Millwall the aggressive high energy in your face style. If we were to identify our DNA and strategic direction that we instil throughout the club what would we go for? For me it’s that stable resilient no nonsense core, based around a keeper, 2 brutal centre half’s, a no nonsense defensive midfielder, 2 hard working wingers that can pick up their defensive duties as well as attack, a maverick centre midfielder to create , a grafting target man and another skilful/ maverick forward, high energy, in your face, aggressive but with the ability to play a bit. at times as well. I hope for the day that we settle on a strategy and recruit for it as opposed to lurching from one managers whim to another Hire a dinosaur British manager. Sign loads of players and then play them out of formation and position every week |
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