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Post by mozzer on Sept 25, 2023 6:16:31 GMT
Oooo. Not bothering to look you up because you are too angry, your unsolicited outburst would suggest that you fall in to the "happy to ride the transfer shopping train" and voiced the opinion that it was the way to go but now have decided we sack the manager....get a grip, I think you’re a little intellectually challenged attention seeking troll tbh. Crack on making a muppet of yourself though with your online psycho analysis…  |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 25, 2023 6:47:22 GMT
Nothing knee jerk about this, I've had my doubts for a while but they're coming to fruition at an alarming rate. He's absolutely clueless. Yet another regular poster that got carried away with the transfer supermarket sweep and said FA, Yet now results are against us hindsight is God. Hindsight is golden, activity log is spot on. You liked posts and created posts yet none said...wowwww, this is not the man 'Kinell mate do you spend all your time trawling other member previous posts? Must be riveting for you. But to save you 3 weeks of trawling mine, here’s my take…..fans have now endured 6 years of turgid football from various managers, paying hundreds of pounds following the club. Think that entitles them to be angry at the very poor start to the season when so much hope was raised with the clear out and signings in the summer. I agree it’s early days still but many championship clubs had similar clear outs and seem to be holding their own. Even newly promoted Plymouth Argyle Have clicked after a big summer of new signings. |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 25, 2023 7:00:31 GMT
What horseshit - this is not a knee-jerk reaction nor testosterone fuelled - Neil was only really booed off for the first time yesterday and hes deserved it sooooo many other times in recent weeks and the shit show that was last season.
By trivialising and dismissing their legitimate views you disrespect the fanbase who have every right to express their opinions of what is now turning into a train-wreck after accommodating ALL the excuses under the sun from this chancer....
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 25, 2023 7:43:31 GMT
So... Now all the transfer activity testosterone fuelled wood has disappeared to a more falcid state and the reality is setting in, the oatcake football gods are now realising that when we hammered Forests decision to bring in a gazillion signings a few years back, we are now in the same boat with our supermarket sweep of a transfer window. But really, the oatcake pundits are now reccomending we sack another manager, are we really Watford in disguise because 8 games in with 5 losses we now have a general consensus that Neil has to go. Totally agree, the results and confidence is not good but please tell me how many points you think we should have now and why, for me we have started exactly where we left off last season and nothing in the close season has given me any hope that this season will be different. Cant keep goal Cant defend Cant dictate midfield No width No attacking flair No goal threat. Round pegs Square holes Wrong tactics Poor subs Crap results Then we hand a manager the biggest shake up in recent history...yet 8 games in we want rid. So wheres the fault, who made the decision, who decided that last season was good enough to warrant the supermarket sweep transfer window, who sanctioned the current set up, who is steering the stoke city titanic hitting every iceberg the football World can put in our traumatic path. Good luck with your sack him and who replaces him, there's something wrong 100%, but where I'm not sure. Heres the boo boy hit list to help you on your choices lads. Pick wisely because you know if you don't get the instant result you will want then they will be gone 3 months later. Pulis Hughes Lambert (disaster) Rowet Jones O'Neil Neil Who next you football gods, who is next for the scfc axe. Strange post. So pretty much everyone is agreed AN is performing terribly? But fans are not allowed to suggest sacking him? All such fans are boo boys and idiots for wanting the best for Stoke. The only possible replacements will inevitably be a failure? |
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Post by satoshi on Sept 25, 2023 7:54:50 GMT
My testosterone is through the roof, just on my way to divas
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 25, 2023 9:22:04 GMT
I've supported AN since he came in,but these last few games have me wondering,is he the right man for the job?
I just hope he can get enough pts in October to have us in the top half,if not & we are still near the bottom,the board must act, giving the new manager Nov/Dec to assess the squad before the Jan. Window.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Sept 25, 2023 9:25:18 GMT
In fairness, it has just been the 5 seasons of abject shite.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 25, 2023 9:36:28 GMT
Start a happy clappy club
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 25, 2023 9:43:32 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Sept 25, 2023 9:52:56 GMT
Hull could easily have had 5 or 6, and they looked nothing special. It is cause for concern.
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Post by brizzlestokie on Sept 25, 2023 9:58:54 GMT
In fairness, it has just been the 5 seasons of abject shite. Longer really. Fell off a cliff in the second half of the 2015/16 season and followed it up with a 13th-place finish in 2017 and relegation the year after. We haven't had a season where we notably improved on the last since 2013/14, which is a bit mad isn't it? |
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Post by stiggerstackle on Sept 25, 2023 10:05:00 GMT
What a sanctimonious load of bollocks.
I was defending AN a few weeks ago when these complaints reared their heads - we wanted a clear out and we've got one, we wanted dead wood gone and we've got it, we wanted a new transfer strategy instead of a lucky dip and we've got it.
I said at the time that he needed time, the team needed time and it would take a while for it to all to gel...
I stand by all of that, but what I will not stand by is absolutely brain dead management, that is bordering on the antagonistically arrogant perseverance with a system of wingbacks that our last 3 managers (AN included) have proved beyond all fucking doubt DOES NOT WORK. We cannot play 3 CB's and wingbacks. You know it, I know, it, every fucker on here knows it, so why the fuck is he steadfastly hanging onto it despite selling our best wingback at the 11th hour and not having the players to do it!
He said he wanted to play 443 or 442 with wingers, so he's bought a fuckload of wingers and playing with wingbacks! He's playing bloody good players completely out of position and then complaining that they are doing the job for him!
I'll give him all the time in the world if he weren't being so petulant and pig0headed in his set up and selections.
If he set up the way he told us, and the way for which he has recruited I'd be right behind him as I accept it takes time for so much change to gel, but for him to frankly take the piss out of all supporters who pour a small fortune into supporting this shit, by apparently just smearing fecal matter on the tactics board before kick off and seeing what sticks, I'm quite happy if he fucks the fuck off today.
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Post by neddy on Sept 25, 2023 10:07:10 GMT
I genuinely think the Watford win clouded his judgment as regards set up where he thinks it could work again?
He needs to get back to his original thinking, be bold and stick to it…..4231 or 433?
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Post by philb on Sept 25, 2023 10:08:49 GMT
What’s his record again 🤷♂️
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Post by philb on Sept 25, 2023 10:10:29 GMT
What a sanctimonious load of bollocks. I was defending AN a few weeks ago when these complaints reared their heads - we wanted a clear out and we've got one, we wanted dead wood gone and we've got it, we wanted a new transfer strategy instead of a lucky dip and we've got it. I said at the time that he needed time, the team needed time and it would take a while for it to all to gel... I stand by all of that, but what I will not stand by is absolutely brain dead management, that is bordering on the antagonistically arrogant perseverance with a system of wingbacks that our last 3 managers (AN included) have proved beyond all fucking doubt DOES NOT WORK. We cannot play 3 CB's and wingbacks. You know it, I know, it, every fucker on here knows it, so why the fuck is he steadfastly hanging onto it despite selling our best wingback at the 11th hour and not having the players to do it! He said he wanted to play 443 or 442 with wingers, so he's bought a fuckload of wingers and playing with wingbacks! He's playing bloody good players completely out of position and then complaining that they are doing the job for him! I'll give him all the time in the world if he weren't being so petulant and pig0headed in his set up and selections. If he set up the way he told us, and the way for which he has recruited I'd be right behind him as I accept it takes time for so much change to gel, but for him to frankly take the piss out of all supporters who pour a small fortune into supporting this shit, by apparently just smearing fecal matter on the tactics board before kick off and seeing what sticks, I'm quite happy if he fucks the fuck off today. He’s rapidly becoming Nathan Jones MK 2 |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 25, 2023 10:11:32 GMT
I genuinely think the Watford win clouded his judgment as regards set up where he thinks it could work again? He needs to get back to his original thinking, be bold and stick to it…..4231 or 433? In 48 league games he has played 3 at the back 24 times and 4 at the back 24 times. 3 at the back: W7 D5 L12 4 at the back: W7 D6 L11 |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 25, 2023 10:14:42 GMT
I genuinely think the Watford win clouded his judgment as regards set up where he thinks it could work again? He needs to get back to his original thinking, be bold and stick to it…..4231 or 433? Good point. And I agree he has to stick to one formation (in my opinion 433) and make it work and pick the players who best suit it. Which might mean small tweaks when a player is unavailable, for example having to play Wesley rather than Mmaee may mean bringing the wide forwards and attacking midfielders closer to Wesley. We should never again think of putting Vidigal and Saed up front as a two. I doubt if Campbell and Saed would have worked any better. If you talk about playing the ball forward quickly you need someone to target. Yesterday until Wesley came on the defendersoften had no option but to play across the back. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 25, 2023 10:17:29 GMT
What a sanctimonious load of bollocks. I was defending AN a few weeks ago when these complaints reared their heads - we wanted a clear out and we've got one, we wanted dead wood gone and we've got it, we wanted a new transfer strategy instead of a lucky dip and we've got it. I said at the time that he needed time, the team needed time and it would take a while for it to all to gel... I stand by all of that, but what I will not stand by is absolutely brain dead management, that is bordering on the antagonistically arrogant perseverance with a system of wingbacks that our last 3 managers (AN included) have proved beyond all fucking doubt DOES NOT WORK. We cannot play 3 CB's and wingbacks. You know it, I know, it, every fucker on here knows it, so why the fuck is he steadfastly hanging onto it despite selling our best wingback at the 11th hour and not having the players to do it! He said he wanted to play 443 or 442 with wingers, so he's bought a fuckload of wingers and playing with wingbacks! He's playing bloody good players completely out of position and then complaining that they are doing the job for him! I'll give him all the time in the world if he weren't being so petulant and pig0headed in his set up and selections. If he set up the way he told us, and the way for which he has recruited I'd be right behind him as I accept it takes time for so much change to gel, but for him to frankly take the piss out of all supporters who pour a small fortune into supporting this shit, by apparently just smearing fecal matter on the tactics board before kick off and seeing what sticks, I'm quite happy if he fucks the fuck off today. Great post, summed it up perfectly and I think 99% of us are on the same page |
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Post by hoppo96 on Sept 25, 2023 10:19:24 GMT
Neil has been pretty average throughout his time as Stoke manager, bar a few months towards the end of last season. People only think he's a good manager because of his jobs elsewhere, but this job was always going to be more difficult and so it's proving.
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Post by theporcelainpele on Sept 25, 2023 10:20:20 GMT
If this is a knee jerk reaction, have a look at what a proper club does - Ajax. Haven’t won in FOUR games so they have sacked their director of football who joined in the summer with the manager strongly rumoured to be next for the chop. If it’s clear that it isn’t working after a whole year, why put us through more suffering week in week out!
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 25, 2023 10:23:29 GMT
I genuinely think the Watford win clouded his judgment as regards set up where he thinks it could work again? He needs to get back to his original thinking, be bold and stick to it…..4231 or 433? In 48 league games he has played 3 at the back 24 times and 4 at the back 24 times. 3 at the back: W7 D5 L12 4 at the back: W7 D6 L11 Our best form last season was 4 at the back the side was something like Bonham/Sarkic Hoever, Wilmot, Tuanzebe, Sterling Pearson, Laurent Smallbone Brown, Gayle/Powell, Campbell We have replaced some of the weaker players, injury prone players or those that have hung up there boots with better ones I think, so why deviate? The good news is though I do actually think AN acknowledged it in his interview, i think he knows he made an error. I really hope he learns and learns fast |
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Post by philb on Sept 25, 2023 10:28:07 GMT
Neil has been pretty average throughout his time as Stoke manager, bar a few months towards the end of last season. People only think he's a good manager because of his jobs elsewhere, but this job was always going to be more difficult and so it's proving. Makes you wonder why every manager since we got relegated has found this job ‘more difficult’ than previous ones 🤔 |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 25, 2023 10:31:02 GMT
If this is a knee jerk reaction, have a look at what a proper club does - Ajax. Haven’t won in FOUR games so they have sacked their director of football who joined in the summer with the manager strongly rumoured to be next for the chop. If it’s clear that it isn’t working after a whole year, why put us through more suffering week in week out! Because the owners are fucking useless. Rich beyond our wildest dreams but absolutely thick as fucking pigshit when it comes to running a football club in the 21st century. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 25, 2023 10:41:40 GMT
Neil has been pretty average throughout his time as Stoke manager, bar a few months towards the end of last season. People only think he's a good manager because of his jobs elsewhere, but this job was always going to be more difficult and so it's proving. Makes you wonder why every manager since we got relegated has found this job ‘more difficult’ than previous ones 🤔 I think what makes us appealing is that we give the manager pretty much free reign to do as his wishes. The fact is though that even managers need managing unless you are exceptional In my view we should have looked at our set up, maybe consider a top class coach instead of a manager, a DoF that chooses which player will be signed and have the best people in the best positions rather than a manager that is a jack of all trades. The jack of all trades worked years ago and still works with an exceptional manager such as Pep, just not with the "Scottish" Guardiola. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 25, 2023 10:42:51 GMT
So... Now all the transfer activity testosterone fuelled wood has disappeared to a more falcid state and the reality is setting in, the oatcake football gods are now realising that when we hammered Forests decision to bring in a gazillion signings a few years back, we are now in the same boat with our supermarket sweep of a transfer window. But really, the oatcake pundits are now reccomending we sack another manager, are we really Watford in disguise because 8 games in with 5 losses we now have a general consensus that Neil has to go. Totally agree, the results and confidence is not good but please tell me how many points you think we should have now and why, for me we have started exactly where we left off last season and nothing in the close season has given me any hope that this season will be different. Cant keep goal Cant defend Cant dictate midfield No width No attacking flair No goal threat. Round pegs Square holes Wrong tactics Poor subs Crap results Then we hand a manager the biggest shake up in recent history...yet 8 games in we want rid. So wheres the fault, who made the decision, who decided that last season was good enough to warrant the supermarket sweep transfer window, who sanctioned the current set up, who is steering the stoke city titanic hitting every iceberg the football World can put in our traumatic path. Good luck with your sack him and who replaces him, there's something wrong 100%, but where I'm not sure. Heres the boo boy hit list to help you on your choices lads. Pick wisely because you know if you don't get the instant result you will want then they will be gone 3 months later. Pulis Hughes Lambert (disaster) Rowet Jones O'Neil Neil Who next you football gods, who is next for the scfc axe. Should have been gone before the big shake up. Should have given the chance to someone who doesn’t lose more than they win. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 25, 2023 11:16:05 GMT
In 48 league games he has played 3 at the back 24 times and 4 at the back 24 times. 3 at the back: W7 D5 L12 4 at the back: W7 D6 L11 Our best form last season was 4 at the back the side was something like Bonham/Sarkic Hoever, Wilmot, Tuanzebe, Sterling Pearson, Laurent Smallbone Brown, Gayle/Powell, Campbell We have replaced some of the weaker players, injury prone players or those that have hung up there boots with better ones I think, so why deviate? The good news is though I do actually think AN acknowledged it in his interview, i think he knows he made an error. I really hope he learns and learns fast Vidigal and the Keeper are better so far Tuanzabe/ Jags and Sterling both better than the replacements Campbell, Pearson and Laurent are playing worse than last season not sure why but they are, especially Laurent Wasn't a great fan of Smallbone but in the role he played for us nobody has yet shown they are better We have not replaced Brown in any way shape or form We have a few with potential and promise for sure and time will tell if they can cut it but only vidigal has really improved us so far and the centre halves stink the place out and seems Wilmot is suffering from playing with them |
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Post by ceejays on Sept 25, 2023 20:50:36 GMT
I don't think it's knee jerk, we've gone from positive performances against Rotherham and Watford. Where we looked like we were progressing and had a clear plan to how we wanted to play, to playing a ball playing midfielder at left wing back. Had we not looked so clueless over the past few games I wouldn't be concerned especially as we have a tough run of fixtures. I'm struggling to see where our next win is coming from . We played 3 at the back against Watford with Hoever and Stevens wing backs . Baffling that he’s continued . Does know his own mind . Tinker man . Overthinker . A legend in his own world. We’ve employed two great talkers. Neil is not as mad as Nath but not far sort . God willing we get out of this mess but I’m not holding my breath |
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Post by Ron on Sept 25, 2023 22:18:50 GMT
So... Now all the transfer activity testosterone fuelled wood has disappeared to a more falcid state and the reality is setting in, the oatcake football gods are now realising that when we hammered Forests decision to bring in a gazillion signings a few years back, we are now in the same boat with our supermarket sweep of a transfer window. But really, the oatcake pundits are now reccomending we sack another manager, are we really Watford in disguise because 8 games in with 5 losses we now have a general consensus that Neil has to go. Totally agree, the results and confidence is not good but please tell me how many points you think we should have now and why, for me we have started exactly where we left off last season and nothing in the close season has given me any hope that this season will be different. Cant keep goal Cant defend Cant dictate midfield No width No attacking flair No goal threat. Round pegs Square holes Wrong tactics Poor subs Crap results Then we hand a manager the biggest shake up in recent history...yet 8 games in we want rid. So wheres the fault, who made the decision, who decided that last season was good enough to warrant the supermarket sweep transfer window, who sanctioned the current set up, who is steering the stoke city titanic hitting every iceberg the football World can put in our traumatic path. Good luck with your sack him and who replaces him, there's something wrong 100%, but where I'm not sure. Heres the boo boy hit list to help you on your choices lads. Pick wisely because you know if you don't get the instant result you will want then they will be gone 3 months later. Pulis Hughes Lambert (disaster) Rowet Jones O'Neil Neil Who next you football gods, who is next for the scfc axe. put your fishing rod away. It’s shit. You know it’s shit. Stop moaning at people moaning. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 25, 2023 23:28:49 GMT
What’s his record again 🤷♂️ I'm going slightly mad? |
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 25, 2023 23:36:36 GMT
I genuinely think the Watford win clouded his judgment as regards set up where he thinks it could work again? He needs to get back to his original thinking, be bold and stick to it…..4231 or 433? In 48 league games he has played 3 at the back 24 times and 4 at the back 24 times. 3 at the back: W7 D5 L12 4 at the back: W7 D6 L11 Interesting to know the stats on whether 3 at the back really was so much more fucking miserable like I remember it being. |
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