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Post by spoton on Sept 21, 2023 5:13:33 GMT
Well I'm going to bed thinking about what I've just watched and waking up at 4am thinking just can't believe why I keep watching it and thinking about the players who just don't cut it for me,I then realised it's just not that easy to categories so i broken it down into 3 groups firstly
Players who PROMISED so much top of the list got to be Burger he's got quality but to be honest not much difference than we had before and at 4/5 mill expected alot more, closely followed by Hoever luckily we can send him back
Second group DISAPPOINTED top here got to be Pearson I thought he would want to prove he can play at a better level,(would you want your child to play with his attitude) second would be McNally (understand now why he's on loan)
Third group GET RID this could be a big group, easy to say Wes but to be honest I didn't expect much from a player only given a 12 month contract so top would be Campbell he's had enough time to prove himself, then probably Pearson just don't understand why he thinks he can act how he does and not get punished,I understand he's there to stop the other team from playing but he's just a lability,
In saying all of this there's only really one person to blame for giving me nightmares and that's the management god help us if this is the best he can muster,,rant over
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 21, 2023 5:19:53 GMT
It's early days yet, but some of the players we've signed look like they're going to struggle.
For me, I've already got a red flag over the likes of McNally, Rose and Leris, while there's a question mark over several others.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 21, 2023 5:46:24 GMT
Early days but at least we showed some fluidity. Thought Pearson had a reasonably good game . It was revealed this wet that he cost £500k so that sort of mitigates . However a 4 year contract may hide the real fee . As for Burger I share that view . Both he and Laurent flitted in and out of the game . As for the defence what can you say other than to agree in entirety . To me Gooch is far too small and easily out muscled . Hoever just lacks positional understanding. McNally flattened to deceive. But where was the leadership for the second goal as Travers should have been screaming to clear the box or Rose or McNally or Wilmot . Then guy would have been offside . The one bright spot for me was the cameo appearance of Bae who takes the ball on the half turn and has real vision we expected a few to not cut the mustard . Inevitable. But we haven’t over committed this time . Hoever McNally Wesley Stevens are either on loan or one year contract . So to me vidigal Bae mmaee ( he will come good imho) financially outweigh those we currently doubt like Leris
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 21, 2023 7:03:04 GMT
Early days but at least we showed some fluidity. Thought Pearson had a reasonably good game . It was revealed this wet that he cost £500k so that sort of mitigates . However a 4 year contract may hide the real fee . As for Burger I share that view . Both he and Laurent flitted in and out of the game . As for the defence what can you say other than to agree in entirety . To me Gooch is far too small and easily out muscled . Hoever just lacks positional understanding. McNally flattened to deceive. But where was the leadership for the second goal as Travers should have been screaming to clear the box or Rose or McNally or Wilmot . Then guy would have been offside . The one bright spot for me was the cameo appearance of Bae who takes the ball on the half turn and has real vision we expected a few to not cut the mustard . Inevitable. But we haven’t over committed this time . Hoever McNally Wesley Stevens are either on loan or one year contract . So to me vidigal Bae mmaee ( he will come good imho) financially outweigh those we currently doubt like Leris I think that’s a balanced enough perspective, but hard to write off Lleris yet, he may need time and probably needs a position to help him settle in. I’m not convinced by Rose in the slightest, he looks a weak link to me. He got on the wrong side of his man for the second goal for no apparent reason and just generally he looks suspect. I think we have to go with Wilmot and McNally until January and then we need to go out and spend some money for a proven, experienced centre back. To me that’s been the big failing this window, we’ve brought in so many players but the bedrock of any team is the CB partnership and we need a leader there. |
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Post by march4 on Sept 21, 2023 7:19:53 GMT
It's early days yet, but some of the players we've signed look like they're going to struggle. For me, I've already got a red flag over the likes of McNally, Rose and Leris, while there's a question mark over several others. The red flag over Wesley is there for all to see. I can’t see him starting many more games. I’m also worried about the physical strength of Bae, Vidigal and Mmaae. They are all technically excellent but this is a league full of bullies and hatchet men. They are going to have to learn how to look after themselves quickly as we don’t have enough enforcers in our team. All of the three CBs would be fine alongside a powerful, dominant leader at the back. Any combination of the three of them is too physically weak. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 21, 2023 7:21:37 GMT
It's early days yet, but some of the players we've signed look like they're going to struggle. For me, I've already got a red flag over the likes of McNally, Rose and Leris, while there's a question mark over several others. The red flag over Wesley is there for all to see. I can’t see him starting many more games. I’m also worried about the physical strength of Bae, Vidigal and Mmaae. They are all technically excellent but this is a league full of bullies and hatchet men. They are going to have to learn how to look after themselves quickly as we don’t have enough enforcers in our team. All of the three CBs would be fine alongside a powerful, dominant leader at the back. Any combination of the three of them is too physically weak. He was never intended to be a regular starter He's the option off the bench McNally is a big strong lad March I don't understand why he was playing on the right of the 3 Neither of the other two get bullied as you continually post either What they don't do is very well in the air, that's not the same as being bullied McNally wins the ball in the air as his stats show so in a back 4 it should be him and Wilmot |
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Post by wilcopotter on Sept 21, 2023 7:24:31 GMT
Out of 17 signings some of them won’t “cut it”, but thing is most of them haven’t even been here a month. Think this is a premature thread tbh.
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Post by foster on Sept 21, 2023 7:28:10 GMT
Laurent, Rose, Wesley, Campbell and Mmaee have been the most underwhelming for me so far. That's not to say that Wesley or Mmaee won't come good at some point.
Leris had one shocker of a game when multiple others were also shite, but showed some promise in his first match.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 21, 2023 7:32:13 GMT
Laurent, Rose, Wesley, Campbell and Mmaee have been the most underwhelming for me so far. That's not to say that Wesley or Mmaee won't come good at some point. Leris had one shocker of a game when multiple others were also shite, but showed some promise in his first match. Mmaee? Dont get much time around here do you one assist, one goal and hasn't even played 90 minutes yet and he's underwhelming people.  |
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Post by musik on Sept 21, 2023 7:34:46 GMT
Will Bae Jun-Ho get more time on the pitch soon?
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Post by senojbor on Sept 21, 2023 7:39:09 GMT
Will Bae Jun-Ho get more time on the pitch soon? Very decent player. Crosses from corners were top drawer |
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Post by RF10 on Sept 21, 2023 7:39:12 GMT
Definitely too early to say. The general organisation at the back is worrying though.
The sooner Campbell gets a goal, more will follow. He's a player who is reliant on confidence and last night showed.
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Post by foster on Sept 21, 2023 7:41:32 GMT
Laurent, Rose, Wesley, Campbell and Mmaee have been the most underwhelming for me so far. That's not to say that Wesley or Mmaee won't come good at some point. Leris had one shocker of a game when multiple others were also shite, but showed some promise in his first match. Mmaee? Dont get much time around here do you one assist, one goal and hasn't even played 90 minutes yet and he's underwhelming people. You should probably question the OP, not the people who are simply replying to it. Underwhelming isn't the same as wanting to get rid either. |
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 21, 2023 8:00:32 GMT
Mmaee? Dont get much time around here do you one assist, one goal and hasn't even played 90 minutes yet and he's underwhelming people. You should probably question the OP, not the people who are simply replying to it. Underwhelming isn't the same as wanting to get rid either. The original poster never mentioned Mmaee. We really need to give the foreign players more time. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 21, 2023 8:19:43 GMT
Early days but at least we showed some fluidity. Thought Pearson had a reasonably good game . It was revealed this wet that he cost £500k so that sort of mitigates . However a 4 year contract may hide the real fee . As for Burger I share that view . Both he and Laurent flitted in and out of the game . As for the defence what can you say other than to agree in entirety . To me Gooch is far too small and easily out muscled . Hoever just lacks positional understanding. McNally flattened to deceive. But where was the leadership for the second goal as Travers should have been screaming to clear the box or Rose or McNally or Wilmot . Then guy would have been offside . The one bright spot for me was the cameo appearance of Bae who takes the ball on the half turn and has real vision we expected a few to not cut the mustard . Inevitable. But we haven’t over committed this time . Hoever McNally Wesley Stevens are either on loan or one year contract . So to me vidigal Bae mmaee ( he will come good imho) financially outweigh those we currently doubt like Leris I think that’s a balanced enough perspective, but hard to write off Lleris yet, he may need time and probably needs a position to help him settle in. I’m not convinced by Rose in the slightest, he looks a weak link to me. He got on the wrong side of his man for the second goal for no apparent reason and just generally he looks suspect. I think we have to go with Wilmot and McNally until January and then we need to go out and spend some money for a proven, experienced centre back. To me that’s been the big failing this window, we’ve brought in so many players but the bedrock of any team is the CB partnership and we need a leader there. Good Point. For us the obvious example would be Huth and Shawcross, but I have followed football for an awfully long time and could reference several outstanding defensive pairings. For example I would look at what Roy Macfarland and Colin Todd accomplished as a partnership for Derby. And they were not two big guys. |
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Post by spoton on Sept 21, 2023 8:20:40 GMT
You should probably question the OP, not the people who are simply replying to it. Underwhelming isn't the same as wanting to get rid either. The original poster never mentioned Mmaee. We really need to give the foreign players more time. Like some have said I agree we haven't seen alot of the foreign players I was commenting on the ones we have seen more of, maybe some people don't mind giving the team and playing staff another season or two and keep on dreaming what could happen,I personally expected this season to be on around 13 points by now ( just look what Sunderland have achieved with alot less), it's great giving a team time to gel but by that time they go back to their original clubs and it all starts again,top six is definitely a must |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 21, 2023 8:22:27 GMT
The original poster never mentioned Mmaee. We really need to give the foreign players more time. Like some have said I agree we haven't seen alot of the foreign players I was commenting on the ones we have seen more of, maybe some people don't mind giving the team and playing staff another season or two and keep on dreaming what could happen,I personally expected this season to be on around 13 points by now ( just look what Sunderland have achieved with alot less), it's great giving a team time to gel but by that time they go back to their original clubs and it all starts again,top six is definitely a must If only there was a middle ground between 'another season or two' and 'seven games'... |
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 21, 2023 8:26:34 GMT
Definitely too early to say. The general organisation at the back is worrying though. The sooner Campbell gets a goal, more will follow. He's a player who is reliant on confidence and last night showed. Our own acquisitions seem to pale in comparison with those who we sometimes lose out on. Watching the EFL highlights last night and Watford against West Brom, I was impressed by Thomas-Asante who really looked to be a handful. And of course we allegedly wouldn't meet West Brom's valuation for him. Our former goalkeeper, Daniel Bachmann, also looked impressive in the match. |
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Sept 21, 2023 8:27:22 GMT
Out of the new faces I thought Haskabanovic and Gooch did themselves no harm at all. Haska probably should've scored or at least tested the keeper and his fitness got the better of him but I liked what I saw overall.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 21, 2023 8:29:30 GMT
I think that’s a balanced enough perspective, but hard to write off Lleris yet, he may need time and probably needs a position to help him settle in. I’m not convinced by Rose in the slightest, he looks a weak link to me. He got on the wrong side of his man for the second goal for no apparent reason and just generally he looks suspect. I think we have to go with Wilmot and McNally until January and then we need to go out and spend some money for a proven, experienced centre back. To me that’s been the big failing this window, we’ve brought in so many players but the bedrock of any team is the CB partnership and we need a leader there. Good Point. For us the obvious example would be Huth and Shawcross, but I have followed football for an awfully long time and could reference several outstanding defensive pairings. For example I would look at what Roy Macfarland and Colin Todd accomplished as a partnership for Derby. And they were not two big guys. Footballers have become taller, stronger, lighter and faster compared to players from the past. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 21, 2023 8:30:54 GMT
Out of the new faces I thought Haskabanovic and Gooch did themselves no harm at all. Haska probably should've scored or at least tested the keeper and his fitness got the better of him but I liked what I saw overall. And of course Haska had the challenge of moving up two or three levels from the standard he's used to.  |
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Sept 21, 2023 8:44:44 GMT
Out of the new faces I thought Haskabanovic and Gooch did themselves no harm at all. Haska probably should've scored or at least tested the keeper and his fitness got the better of him but I liked what I saw overall. And of course Haska had the challenge of moving up two or three levels from the standard he's used to. There is that |
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Post by foster on Sept 21, 2023 8:47:05 GMT
You should probably question the OP, not the people who are simply replying to it. Underwhelming isn't the same as wanting to get rid either. The original poster never mentioned Mmaee. We really need to give the foreign players more time. I agree. Never said otherwise. Just that he hasn't done anything yet to impress me. |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 21, 2023 9:01:43 GMT
Its early days for alot of these players.
It's far too early to judge players like Leris, Bae, Mmaee. They need time to adapt.
It's definitely worrying if very few of them cut it, but we have to go with it and develop them.
I created a thread for early impressions of Mmaee, and some people were critical. There is nothing wrong with first impressions imo, but should be accompanied by the awareness that players will need time to get used to playing in this country and in this league and things should therefore change.
I'm more worried about established players like Laurent tbh and where they are taking us!
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Post by femark on Sept 21, 2023 9:11:24 GMT
As Neil has said, we need competition and the players that are not up to it will be dropped down the pecking order. We haven't spent a great deal on any of the players so it wont be an issue. It's part of building a squad.
Next season we shouldn't need to sign 18 players, just 4 or 5 that will improve us.
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Post by desman2 on Sept 21, 2023 10:03:42 GMT
Strange thing is, Rose and McNally were apparently highly thought of at Coventry last season. They seemed quite pissed off that they left to come here. Seems they could do the job there but not here. Seems to be something that happens quite often for some reason. I think the last defenders that came from elsewhere and improved were Shawcross and Huth.
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Post by skip on Sept 21, 2023 10:36:35 GMT
There's training and then there is coaching and I would love to know how much of each happens week in week out.
I've no doubt that all of these players are highly competent professionals, so when we lose, how does the analysis of the game happen and how is it then translated into coaching. And when we win, how are those games analysed and then the players coached to do things better.
I'd love to see how our coaching methods include problem solving and individual and small group development.
Is Alex Neil the type of manager who simply believes that you accrue players who can do something and then instruct them what to do?
To conclude, I was pleased with the recruitment this summer, but am beginning to question coaching and training more than the players themselves.
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Post by biglad180 on Sept 21, 2023 10:57:55 GMT
we had jack clark on loan a lot of people wrote him off on here now the lad seems to be flying at sunderland,its frustrating but these new lads need time,you cannot just right players off after a couple of weeks,
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 21, 2023 11:02:14 GMT
Unfortunately I think it's pretty clear Dwight Gayle is as good as done, at least at this club, I'm not even sure he's interested anymore, he's earned his fortune and scored his goals, he looks like he's winding down to retirement
At this point Di Margio Wright Philips has to be a better option from the bench than Gayle, the bits I saw of him in a Stoke shirt he looked decent.
Wesley just doesn't look the part, he's just too immobile and doesn't use his size to batter defenders, he reminds me of the BFG, maybe he just doesn't suit English football. Lowe has to be worth an appearance if that's what we're going to get from Wesley.
Wesley's performances kind of highlights further the actual player scfc had in Sidibe, he really was a handful if not best gifted technically.
Send Wes back if possible January and stick a cheeky £2m bid in for that Bruno Petkovic from Zagreb and offer to double his wages before others join the clamour in summer to get him on a free, he looks a hell of a player
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 21, 2023 11:49:55 GMT
Out of the new faces I thought Haskabanovic and Gooch did themselves no harm at all. Haska probably should've scored or at least tested the keeper and his fitness got the better of him but I liked what I saw overall. Remind me a bit of benrahma |
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