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Post by numpty40 on Sept 21, 2023 19:03:14 GMT
It's been a bugbear of mine for a good while, keep 2 players on the half way line, your paciest, one on each touchline and I guarantee the opposition will keep 4 players back. I've always thought this aswell. If the opposition have piled everyone forward they'd soon commit at least 3 players back to the halfway line, possibly 4 as you say. On a corner if the team taking draw out a fellow player for a short corner the opposition always commit 2x defending players towards the corner flag. To me its a game of brinkmanship but pulling all your players back for a corner just gives the green line light for the attacking team to pummel your area and goal line. Show that we're more than happy to play off the halfway line on a corner & it forces the attacking team to withdraw. At least worth a go.. Let's face it, it can't be any worse than it is.. surely..?! Absolutely. If you left, say for argument sake, Vidigal left touchline on the halfway line and Campbell on the opposite side the opposition would need a man on each and then a cover for both sides. Defenders or keeper can belt clearances any direction forward for the two wide players to battle for and the ball is less likely to come straight back at you.
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Post by greenhoff on Sept 21, 2023 19:14:37 GMT
I've always thought this aswell. If the opposition have piled everyone forward they'd soon commit at least 3 players back to the halfway line, possibly 4 as you say. On a corner if the team taking draw out a fellow player for a short corner the opposition always commit 2x defending players towards the corner flag. To me its a game of brinkmanship but pulling all your players back for a corner just gives the green line light for the attacking team to pummel your area and goal line. Show that we're more than happy to play off the halfway line on a corner & it forces the attacking team to withdraw. At least worth a go.. Let's face it, it can't be any worse than it is.. surely..?! Absolutely. If you left, say for argument sake, Vidigal left touchline on the halfway line and Campbell on the opposite side the opposition would need a man on each and then a cover for both sides. Defenders or keeper can belt clearances any direction forward for the two wide players to battle for and the ball is less likely to come straight back at you. And as a keeper the less players in the box the better. A big bug bear of mine is after dragging everyone back there isn't a player on both posts.
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 21, 2023 19:41:54 GMT
Spot on, we need a no messing, attack the ball CB, it feels the one part of the team they took their eye off over the summer. We have had them in the recent past then people say get rid cos they can’t pass a ball. We need a solid tough centre half
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 21, 2023 19:59:38 GMT
You’re going way over the top on Wilmot. He’s not perfect but he’s not terrible. The best of the bunch tonight. He’s not absolutely gash. He’s a bench player. Makes a bad mistake every two:three games and shouldn’t be starting more than 15 games for a side that want to do well in this league. He’s part of this terrible defence you know. Stop making excuses. Another 6 posts tonight and you’re on 139,000
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2023 20:07:26 GMT
That’s a bit gash though right? No that’s a good squad player in my book. Someone who is absolutely gash is last choice and needs getting rid of pronto. See current form Dwight Gayle. I.e Shouldn’t be starting any games. By your reckoning everyone in the squad who isn’t a regular first team player is obviously absolutely gash. I think Wilmot would do very well with a quality leader next to him. For example in the games where he played along Tuanzebe last season. It's a bit of an issue if a player has to rely on another for them not to be a liability. Although the reason he looked better with Tuanzebe was he was capable of cleaning up Wilmots messes.
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Post by ratters on Sept 21, 2023 20:10:17 GMT
Wilmot was pretty much playing LB last night and thought he played well, especially first half. Really helped to drive our attacks forward. He is certainly the least of the problems. He is at least consistently semi decent, and haven't seen him have any major howlers that certain people keep suggesting he has.
I couldn't see who was personally at fault for the goals, but it was far too easy and some of that seemed to be from the CM's as well for the 2nd goal. The biggest concern is from set plays but with that many people in the box it is poor as a collective and not just the CB's. But in terms of general play McNally and Rose were poor. Rose's passing is dreadful, it was awful at Norwich too.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 21, 2023 20:10:19 GMT
He’s a bench player. Makes a bad mistake every two:three games and shouldn’t be starting more than 15 games for a side that want to do well in this league. He’s part of this terrible defence you know. Stop making excuses. Another 6 posts tonight and you’re on 139,000 One goal and two assists plus top of the whole league for heading duels . Just saying . And when knobhead replies my answe in advance to save time and ping pong is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2023 20:11:38 GMT
He’s a bench player. Makes a bad mistake every two:three games and shouldn’t be starting more than 15 games for a side that want to do well in this league. He’s part of this terrible defence you know. Stop making excuses. Another 6 posts tonight and you’re on 139,000 Are you going to buy him a cake?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 21, 2023 20:13:05 GMT
No that’s a good squad player in my book. Someone who is absolutely gash is last choice and needs getting rid of pronto. See current form Dwight Gayle. I.e Shouldn’t be starting any games. By your reckoning everyone in the squad who isn’t a regular first team player is obviously absolutely gash. I think Wilmot would do very well with a quality leader next to him. For example in the games where he played along Tuanzebe last season. It's a bit of an issue if a player has to rely on another for them not to be a liability. Can't remember who it was that used to defend Bursik no matter what If the shot hadn't been allowed to come in he wouldn't have been beaten so easily...again. I suppose it was true in a way but making the odd save would have helped
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2023 20:14:25 GMT
It's a bit of an issue if a player has to rely on another for them not to be a liability. Can't remember who it was that used to defend Bursik no matter what If the shot hadn't been allowed to come in he wouldn't have been beaten so easily...again. I suppose it was true in a way but making the odd save would have helped I'm sure it would have.
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Sept 22, 2023 3:00:29 GMT
Laurent seems to play better the further back his is. We could try 3-1-4-2 with this squad with Laurent sitting in front of the back 3?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 22, 2023 6:41:51 GMT
Laurent seems to play better the further back his is. We could try 3-1-4-2 with this squad with Laurent sitting in front of the back 3? Why would anyone who wants to Stoke do well want to use a back 3?
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Post by stiggerstackle on Sept 22, 2023 8:39:43 GMT
I've not seen Junior play yet, but he's meant to be a bit of a beast isn't he? Any chance he could be converted to a CB?
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 22, 2023 8:41:03 GMT
Laurent seems to play better the further back his is. We could try 3-1-4-2 with this squad with Laurent sitting in front of the back 3? Why would anyone who wants to Stoke do well want to use a back 3? For as well as we played the other night, it's just baffling and frankly, feeding the inner idiot inside our managers.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Sept 22, 2023 15:25:52 GMT
Cooper signed a new contract at Millwall during the transfer window and then posted about how pleased he was to play for the best team in the land! Don't be naive. If a club doubled his salary do you think he'd stay at Millwall? Would they still be the best in the land? Money isn't the be all and end all for some people. We might not have offered to double his money. Perhaps he likes living in London. Perhaps he's got kids at school who he doesn't want to disrupt. He was born in Ascot so perhaps he has family down south. There's lots involved in any transfer that we aren't aware off.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 22, 2023 16:35:53 GMT
Why would anyone who wants to Stoke do well want to use a back 3? For as well as we played the other night, it's just baffling and frankly, feeding the inner idiot inside our managers. ppl are defending the 5 at the back the other night because it was an ok performance and we got a point , but maybe if we played a more attacking 4231 we could have taken all 3 , ifs and buts i know but it’s what i would prefer
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 22, 2023 17:06:37 GMT
Yes, I feel we are two players away from being a real play-off contender, a strong dominant centre half and a goalscoring striker. Should be able to be top 10 even with the squad we have right now as I see it,
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Post by greenhoff on Sept 22, 2023 17:08:43 GMT
Don't be naive. If a club doubled his salary do you think he'd stay at Millwall? Would they still be the best in the land? Money isn't the be all and end all for some people. We might not have offered to double his money. Perhaps he likes living in London. Perhaps he's got kids at school who he doesn't want to disrupt. He was born in Ascot so perhaps he has family down south. There's lots involved in any transfer that we aren't aware off. Lots of assumptions in that statement. Caiceido said Arsenal were his all time favourite team then signed for Chelsea. I'm not saying we would get him. I'm saying he was the type we should be looking at. You're saying that he signed a new contract and said Millwall were the best team in the land. This in your view made him unobtainable. I disagree.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 22, 2023 19:02:52 GMT
I've not seen Junior play yet, but he's meant to be a bit of a beast isn't he? Any chance he could be converted to a CB? No, he's not that sort of player.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 22, 2023 20:42:13 GMT
Football fashions may change. The basics don’t. You build a strong spine through the middle and develop from there. All successful teams have that
Have we been spoilt with excellent goalkeepers, trustworthy central defenders and competent central attackers for a number of years.
Supporters can name them
At the moment time will prove me wrong. Goalkeeper👍. Central Defender Partnership? Central attacker?
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Post by stokesaint1 on Sept 22, 2023 20:44:24 GMT
Yes, I feel we are two players away from being a real play-off contender, a strong dominant centre half and a goalscoring striker. Should be able to be top 10 even with the squad we have right now as I see it, Unfortunately Rob, every other team in this league would probably say the same. Alongside a keeper and midfield general, the four key positions in any team, assuming at least one of them is a real leader. I think we currently lack the on pitch leader too unfortunately.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 23, 2023 6:33:15 GMT
Football fashions may change. The basics don’t. You build a strong spine through the middle and develop from there. All successful teams have that Have we been spoilt with excellent goalkeepers, trustworthy central defenders and competent central attackers for a number of years. Supporters can name them At the moment time will prove me wrong. Goalkeeper👍. Central Defender Partnership? Central attacker? i would have thought the spine of our team would have been priority in the transfer window since we didn’t have one , to come out the window missing two key players after all the players we signed is baffling
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Post by baconburger on Sept 23, 2023 6:39:08 GMT
For as well as we played the other night, it's just baffling and frankly, feeding the inner idiot inside our managers. ppl are defending the 5 at the back the other night because it was an ok performance and we got a point , but maybe if we played a more attacking 4231 we could have taken all 3 , ifs and buts i know but it’s what i would prefer Must admit I’d prefer it too but people just get hysterical about systems involving 3 CB’s including calling it 5 at the back when the reality on the pitch was anything but.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 23, 2023 6:42:44 GMT
ppl are defending the 5 at the back the other night because it was an ok performance and we got a point , but maybe if we played a more attacking 4231 we could have taken all 3 , ifs and buts i know but it’s what i would prefer Must admit I’d prefer it too but people just get hysterical about systems involving 3 CB’s including calling it 5 at the back when the reality on the pitch was anything but. it’s 5 at the back no matter how you see it
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Post by baconburger on Sept 23, 2023 6:52:07 GMT
Must admit I’d prefer it too but people just get hysterical about systems involving 3 CB’s including calling it 5 at the back when the reality on the pitch was anything but. it’s 5 at the back no matter how you see it I don’t think a heat map of Johnson and Gooch’s positions on the field would agree with your rather odd statement. Having seen how often we are failing to score I think we’d be better of with an extra dedicated attacking player on the pitch but I also understand the manager is more conservative in nature than me so I’m happy enough for him to do it his own way just so long as he solves the problem of Stoke 0.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 23, 2023 7:01:17 GMT
Laurent seems to play better the further back his is. We could try 3-1-4-2 with this squad with Laurent sitting in front of the back 3? Why would anyone who wants to Stoke do well want to use a back 3? I’m not a fan of that system but if you’re going to use it you need 2 WBs who fly down the wings and cross a great ball in. Might work with Junior and Hoever but for me 4231 is made for us .
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 23, 2023 7:17:44 GMT
Yes, I feel we are two players away from being a real play-off contender, a strong dominant centre half and a goalscoring striker. Should be able to be top 10 even with the squad we have right now as I see it, Unfortunately Rob, every other team in this league would probably say the same. Alongside a keeper and midfield general, the four key positions in any team, assuming at least one of them is a real leader. I think we currently lack the on pitch leader too unfortunately. Souttar on loan in January? He will certainly win many headers where we lose out, and hopefully we'll go back for Asante too.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 23, 2023 7:38:24 GMT
Yes, I feel we are two players away from being a real play-off contender, a strong dominant centre half and a goalscoring striker. Should be able to be top 10 even with the squad we have right now as I see it, Are those two players Ruben Diaz and Erling Haaland?
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Post by Veritas on Sept 23, 2023 8:07:56 GMT
Yes, I feel we are two players away from being a real play-off contender, a strong dominant centre half and a goalscoring striker. Should be able to be top 10 even with the squad we have right now as I see it, Are those two players Ruben Diaz and Erling Haaland? No Denis Smith and John Ritchie
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 23, 2023 8:57:30 GMT
Yes, I feel we are two players away from being a real play-off contender, a strong dominant centre half and a goalscoring striker. Should be able to be top 10 even with the squad we have right now as I see it, Are those two players Ruben Diaz and Erling Haaland? I would be satisfied with Souttar back on loan, and Asante who we were linked with at the end of the window.
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