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Post by nonameface on Sept 17, 2023 11:52:06 GMT
Of those losses, three against teams in the top 4.
All games where we've lost by small margins.
Yesterday we lost due to giving the ball away cheaply, conceding an easy to stop goal, then missing easy chances and not having a penalty.
By the end of the game a draw was there abouts a fair result.
We aren't as good as our pre season optimism and we aren't as bad as what's being said on this board.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 17, 2023 11:55:35 GMT
We need to find the ability to nick a goal here and then Over to you Alex!
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 17, 2023 11:55:49 GMT
Of those losses, three against teams in the top 4. All games where we've lost by small margins. Yesterday we lost due to giving the ball away cheaply, conceding an easy to stop goal, then missing easy chances and not having a penalty. By the end of the game a draw was there abouts a fair result. We aren't as good as our pre season optimism and we aren't as bad as what's being said on this board. Has playing Stoke been helpful in making the top four?
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 17, 2023 11:58:06 GMT
We didn't lose by a small margin against Ipswich, we were completely outplayed.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 12:12:38 GMT
We didn't lose by a small margin against Ipswich, we were completely outplayed. To be fair it doesn't matter how many you lose by .
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 17, 2023 12:12:44 GMT
Of those losses, three against teams in the top 4. All games where we've lost by small margins. Yesterday we lost due to giving the ball away cheaply, conceding an easy to stop goal, then missing easy chances and not having a penalty. By the end of the game a draw was there abouts a fair result. We aren't as good as our pre season optimism and we aren't as bad as what's being said on this board. Has playing Stoke been helpful in making the top four? This.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 17, 2023 12:12:52 GMT
“In the top four” ffs we’re six games in
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Post by ravey123 on Sept 17, 2023 12:23:00 GMT
Of those losses, three against teams in the top 4. All games where we've lost by small margins. Yesterday we lost due to giving the ball away cheaply, conceding an easy to stop goal, then missing easy chances and not having a penalty. By the end of the game a draw was there abouts a fair result. We aren't as good as our pre season optimism and we aren't as bad as what's being said on this board. We've been losing games by small margins since before Neil took over - its just continued with him in charge. We hardly ever seem to get hammered just consistently lose by 1 goal despite the stats showing we deserved something. Its gone on for far too long now to just be a coincidence. Is it a mentality thing?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2023 12:24:27 GMT
This lost by small margins shite.
MON used to say it too and it didn’t wash then.
Stinks of a group with low resilience not able to hold on for the draw in tight games.
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Post by sensiblestokie on Sept 17, 2023 12:33:29 GMT
This lost by small margins shite. MON used to say it too and it didn’t wash then. Stinks of a group with low resilience not able to hold on for the draw in tight games. It’s an optimistic take for sure. But of course it does ring true. We’ve had chances to win or take points from all. Ipswich dominated us but even then we had 20 mins or so pressure at a time. Another day that could have got us a point. We are missing chances, big chances, at the moment every time we get them so when they go in hopefully the ‘small margins’ start going in our favour.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Sept 17, 2023 12:39:50 GMT
This lost by small margins shite. MON used to say it too and it didn’t wash then. Stinks of a group with low resilience not able to hold on for the draw in tight games. Which group though? This group, last year's group MONs group or all of them? If so it's a club malaise.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 17, 2023 12:42:32 GMT
What the bollocks is it with the away games though? We were relatively ok away last season weren’t we? We clearly had some element of resilience there. Now we’ve lost three in three and failed to score a goal. We seemed to have redressed it with home wins but we promptly lost one of them an’ all.
Frustrating. Roll on Wednesday I guess
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 17, 2023 12:43:10 GMT
If you want to worry about it in xG terms:
Ipswich was a 2-1 defeat
We should have beaten Millwall 2-1
Preston was a 2-1 defeat
Yesterday was a 1-1 draw
We've had enough chances that, on basic probability, we should have scored five goals in those four games but scored none. We don't seem to be effective enough at converting opportunities still.
To look at it a different way (bearing in mind that stats don't really work like this) we cashed in all of our variance in the 6-1 against Rotherham, where our chance creation was poorer or as poor as the games above but all of our one-in-a-million thirty yard punts went in.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 17, 2023 12:43:16 GMT
This lost by small margins shite. MON used to say it too and it didn’t wash then. Stinks of a group with low resilience not able to hold on for the draw in tight games. It’s an optimistic take for sure. But of course it does ring true. We’ve had chances to win or take points from all. Ipswich dominated us but even then we had 20 mins or so pressure at a time. Another day that could have got us a point. We are missing chances, big chances, at the moment every time we get them so when they go in hopefully the ‘small margins’ start going in our favour. Having to work really hard to score a goal but gifting them at the other end usually only ends one way…and it isn’t positively. Most relegation campaigns have a start to the season of “what ifs” We are consistently on the wrong side of these things. It’s long since stopped being something to view positively.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2023 12:43:39 GMT
This lost by small margins shite. MON used to say it too and it didn’t wash then. Stinks of a group with low resilience not able to hold on for the draw in tight games. Which group though? This group, last year's group MONs group or all of them? If so it's a club malaise. No argument from me there.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 12:52:28 GMT
If you want to worry about it in xG terms: Ipswich was a 2-1 defeat We should have beaten Millwall 2-1 Preston was a 2-1 defeat Yesterday was a 1-1 draw We've had enough chances that, on basic probability, we should have scored five goals in those four games but scored none. We don't seem to be effective enough at converting opportunities still. To look at it a different way (bearing in mind that stats don't really work like this) we cashed in all of our variance in the 6-1 against Rotherham, where our chance creation was poorer or as poor as the games above but all of our one-in-a-million thirty yard punts went in. We haven't scored away in 5 months so we shouldn't be saying we should have won there Leeds are opening them up. Organised and proper game plan.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 17, 2023 12:53:24 GMT
Preston,Millwall & Norwich,are the type of teams we would most likely have beaten,if we had scored 1st.
But we keep wasting chances,then find ourselves 1 down.
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 17, 2023 12:56:34 GMT
After you watch the extended highlights, it doest seem so bad, a strong shout for a pen and certainly excellent chances for Campbell and Gayle to score. Travers is certainly a step up from last season but we need a regular back four in front of him.
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 17, 2023 13:05:07 GMT
“In the top four” ffs we’re six games in "FFS we're six games in" "FFS it's only Christmas" "FFS there are still 10 games left" "FFS we've been relegated"** It's got to change and sharpish, we seem to have overloaded with wingers (more than he knows what to do with) and neglected MASSIVE shortfalls that we have ** I don't for one minute think that we will be relegated
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 17, 2023 13:10:34 GMT
“In the top four” ffs we’re six games in "FFS we're six games in" "FFS it's only Christmas" "FFS there are still 10 games left" "FFS we've been relegated"** It's got to change and sharpish, we seem to have overloaded with wingers (more than he knows what to do with) and neglected MASSIVE shortfalls that we have ** I don't for one minute think that we will be relegated I think you missed the point I was making
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Post by sensiblestokie on Sept 17, 2023 13:34:58 GMT
It’s an optimistic take for sure. But of course it does ring true. We’ve had chances to win or take points from all. Ipswich dominated us but even then we had 20 mins or so pressure at a time. Another day that could have got us a point. We are missing chances, big chances, at the moment every time we get them so when they go in hopefully the ‘small margins’ start going in our favour. Having to work really hard to score a goal but gifting them at the other end usually only ends one way…and it isn’t positively. Most relegation campaigns have a start to the season of “what ifs” We are consistently on the wrong side of these things. It’s long since stopped being something to view positively. For sure, from decisions to missef chances. We seem to always be on the wrong side. Personally, however, I think with Vidi to come back, even Mmaee to return, he was good in his last game, hopefully Wesley out and a few more of the new lads getting to grips with the league I’m still confident we can have a good season. 😀
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2023 13:36:30 GMT
“In the top four” ffs we’re six games in To be fair they have all had the advantage of playing stoke others opportunity will come
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 17, 2023 13:41:30 GMT
"FFS we're six games in" "FFS it's only Christmas" "FFS there are still 10 games left" "FFS we've been relegated"** It's got to change and sharpish, we seem to have overloaded with wingers (more than he knows what to do with) and neglected MASSIVE shortfalls that we have ** I don't for one minute think that we will be relegated I think you missed the point I was making No, I know what you mean and although my post quoted your post, it wasn't necessarily a dig at you. Just the fanbase in general, is there a more "forgiving" fanbase than ours? We are not good enough again despite AN being allowed to buy nearly a whole new squad, making it very unbalanced and looking no better. He will have to take FULL accountability for our performances now
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 17, 2023 13:42:12 GMT
Of those losses, three against teams in the top 4. All games where we've lost by small margins. Yesterday we lost due to giving the ball away cheaply, conceding an easy to stop goal, then missing easy chances and not having a penalty. By the end of the game a draw was there abouts a fair result. We aren't as good as our pre season optimism and we aren't as bad as what's being said on this board. We’ve played 2 of the bottom 7.
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Post by independent on Sept 17, 2023 15:06:36 GMT
If we could keep a clean sheet, it might take a bit of the pressure off the strikers and enable them to score. For the last 4 seasons,not just this year, If we concede a goal, the reaction from both players and fans is: Here we go again, another defeat. Why do we always need to score 2 goals to win,why can't one be enough?
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 17, 2023 15:17:48 GMT
A standard Championship tactic is to score and defend a lead at all cost. Why? Because it’s clear that 95% of the teams in this league are not good enough to breakdown a semi organized defence. Of course, they’ll still get chances but those chances also fall to Championship standard players.
We lose by tight margins because most teams in this league will win more games not going for the jugular.
The formation needs to change. Wesley is too isolated. A prime Drogba would struggle in this set up (almost).
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 17, 2023 15:18:34 GMT
Of those losses, three against teams in the top 4. All games where we've lost by small margins. Yesterday we lost due to giving the ball away cheaply, conceding an easy to stop goal, then missing easy chances and not having a penalty. By the end of the game a draw was there abouts a fair result. We aren't as good as our pre season optimism and we aren't as bad as what's being said on this board. If you lose that means you are always 2 goals away (at least) from winning the game. To turn these games around going forward we have to be at least 2 goals better than previous performances. It’s a big ask. Is that something this manager and squad are capable of? We haven’t played any of the relegated sides yet and we are struggling. To say we have only lost by small margins is like telling a bereaved person their loved one almost survived. Pointless comment.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 18, 2023 13:42:05 GMT
Of those losses, three against teams in the top 4. All games where we've lost by small margins. Yesterday we lost due to giving the ball away cheaply, conceding an easy to stop goal, then missing easy chances and not having a penalty. By the end of the game a draw was there abouts a fair result. We aren't as good as our pre season optimism and we aren't as bad as what's being said on this board. 0 points Vs 3 points is not a small margin. If it happens too many times it's a chasm.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Sept 18, 2023 13:47:32 GMT
Weird thing is we were taking shots from everywhere against Rotherham in the league and cup and actually getting them on target.
No we just don’t seem to have the confidence to take a shot at all
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 18, 2023 13:50:30 GMT
We didn't lose by a small margin against Ipswich, we were completely outplayed. Probably the only game this season where we weren't anywhere near.
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