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Post by neddy on Sept 16, 2023 18:26:15 GMT
Someone described Wesley well in the match day thread today. Like a Brazilian John Gayle. Haha - I missed that. João Gayle. Grande Lumpo I think I was pretty much expecting him to be what he is given his injury and his lack of impact in the Spanish second division last year - but thought he'd be just what we chucked on for the last half hour if we were being frustrated at home against 10 men behind the ball. You're only ever as good as your centre-forward, so I was expecting us to go much bigger there, rather than him and another absolute punt in Mmaee. Why can’t Neil just tell us how long Maaee and Vidigal are out for and what it is? We know hammy and ankle but how long!? He doesn’t help himself?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2023 19:26:41 GMT
Haha - I missed that. João Gayle. Grande Lumpo I think I was pretty much expecting him to be what he is given his injury and his lack of impact in the Spanish second division last year - but thought he'd be just what we chucked on for the last half hour if we were being frustrated at home against 10 men behind the ball. You're only ever as good as your centre-forward, so I was expecting us to go much bigger there, rather than him and another absolute punt in Mmaee. Why can’t Neil just tell us how long Maaee and Vidigal are out for and what it is? We know hammy and ankle but how long!? He doesn’t help himself? Doesn't sound like they'll be back in the short-term.. If it's a choice of Wes or Gayle at Huddersfield, I'd go for Gayle. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/norwich-stoke-city-live-stream-8756173It doesn't help when you're missing both your first choice full-backs on the back of missing other players?Neil: “No, it doesn’t help that we’re missing both first choice full-backs, doesn’t help that we’re missing Vidigal, that Mmaee is missing. We’ve got that to contend with but there are a lot of teams in the league with all kinds of things to contend with. What's the problem with Hoever?Neil: I didn’t realise he was going to be (out) until yesterday. He wasn't able to train yesterday. We got a scan. It's not going to be a long-term thing. We’ll have a call on him for potentially the next game. How about the rest? Vidigal, Stevens, Mmaee...Neil: "They will probably be a little bit longer."
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 16, 2023 19:38:07 GMT
We need Mmaee to stay injury free and be the main striker. Wesley has a place in the squad but if he’s starting the majority of our games then it’s looking grim. Yeah, we're boxed in with Mmaee injured - and even he is a complete unknown at this point. But we need Wes to be a very limited plan B for a certain type of home game, as Neil was referencing. Massive shame we didn't get Thomas-Asante in. We can't afford to have a big lump with the mobility of David Attenborough and the goal threat of Dame Judi Dench leading the line in this type of away game. At least Gayle can move. Yes.. I have to say I've been totally underwhelmed by big Wes. Suppose that's why he hasn't played for yonks.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 16, 2023 20:46:10 GMT
Yeah, we're boxed in with Mmaee injured - and even he is a complete unknown at this point. But we need Wes to be a very limited plan B for a certain type of home game, as Neil was referencing. Massive shame we didn't get Thomas-Asante in. We can't afford to have a big lump with the mobility of David Attenborough and the goal threat of Dame Judi Dench leading the line in this type of away game. At least Gayle can move. Yes.. I have to say I've been totally underwhelmed by big Wes. Suppose that's why he hasn't played for yonks. If he doesn’t start scoring soon he will become a laughing stock. He doesn’t look remotely like a footballer. We’ve signed the only Brazilian not to love a football
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Post by baconburger on Sept 16, 2023 20:58:50 GMT
I really wouldn’t claim to know what is our go to defensive line up (does AN?) - however the inability to stop the opposition scoring in all but one game this season doesn’t fill me with confidence and as injuries and suspensions usually abound for defensive players surely we should have made sure we had appropriate cover. Well, we did keep one of the most scoring teams in the league to one goal. Also, it doesn't matter that we conceded against Rotherham since we won 4-1. Norwich also have one of the leakiest defences, so it's much more worrying for me that we couldn't score. Not scoring enough goals has been our problem since well before relegation. Stoke fans and some managers continually diagnose the wrong problem and obsess about the defence and clean sheets. It’s got to be some form of mental illness, we do not concede an undue amount of goals.
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 16, 2023 21:05:22 GMT
I’m a neil fan but am wavering a bit. One thing he said after last season is he will definitely get players who can open a team up. Well Alex where are they
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Post by onionman on Sept 16, 2023 21:19:52 GMT
Since Alex Neil took charge we’ve come back on 6 occasions to take points from games,2 wins and 4 draws.😳 It was also a massive issue for Michael O’Neill as well I seem to remember It makes watching football utterly depressing. That sinking feeling of saying “game over” as soon as the other team scores and knowing you will virtually never be proved wrong. You sit there watching the seconds tick by, unable to walk away, but knowing with total certainty it’s not going to happen. That time Scott Hogan scored against Swansea I literally fell off my chair in amazement and even though it hurt like fuck that has been the high point of the last 7 years watching Stoke.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 16, 2023 21:25:00 GMT
Since Alex Neil took charge we’ve come back on 6 occasions to take points from games,2 wins and 4 draws.😳 It was also a massive issue for Michael O’Neill as well I seem to remember It makes watching football utterly depressing. That sinking feeling of saying “game over” as soon as the other team scores and knowing you will virtually never be proved wrong. You sit there watching the seconds tick by, unable to walk away, but knowing with total certainty it’s not going to happen. That time Scott Hogan scored against Swansea I literally fell off my chair in amazement and even though it hurt like fuck that has been the high point of the last 7 years watching Stoke. Brilliant post and sums up being a stoke fan this last 7 years. Surely by the law of averages we were due a season of NOT being shite?
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 16, 2023 21:35:13 GMT
Yeah, we're boxed in with Mmaee injured - and even he is a complete unknown at this point. But we need Wes to be a very limited plan B for a certain type of home game, as Neil was referencing. Massive shame we didn't get Thomas-Asante in. We can't afford to have a big lump with the mobility of David Attenborough and the goal threat of Dame Judi Dench leading the line in this type of away game. At least Gayle can move. Someone described Wesley well in the match day thread today. Like a Brazilian John Gayle. That was me (and I stand by it).
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 16, 2023 21:43:12 GMT
The club is desperate for a reset, let's be honest.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 16, 2023 21:47:01 GMT
The club is desperate for a reset, let's be honest. We’ve had the reset. Question is, when will we need the next one??
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Post by thevoid on Sept 16, 2023 21:49:28 GMT
With Wesley playing, what do people expect? He is offering absolutely nothing and doesn’t have the excuse of adapting to English culture and football. Until Mmaee and Vidigal are back, we simply have to play Gayle. He might be poor but at least runs around a bit. We need more from footballers than 'running around a bit'. I mean, that's surely a basic requirement
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2023 6:18:32 GMT
Where have I written him off? I've questioned his record, which is fair, and I believe he should deliver a promotion push this season given the resource etc. Other people settle for mediocrity and a plethora of excuses - that's their problem. Ive got no issue whatsoever with expectations as long as they’re realistic ones,some of the folk on here/Twitter have us winning the league this season. I actually think we’ll lose a few more in the coming weeks as well before he gets/knows the team he wants but I think in the end we’ll be in the top ten(pushing for play offs) by the end of the season. We’re all guilty of a lack of patience nowadays but I really do think we as a set of fans need it more than ever this season. From Sept 14th hahaha
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Post by lordflashheart on Sept 17, 2023 7:06:29 GMT
The experienced players in this group are ducking cowards. That’s why they don’t come back. Campbell, Laurent, wilmot, Pearson just go through motions and couldn’t lift anyone else. Love to hide. Look at Laurent and Pearson - basically they are both that fucking idle it needs two of them do one midfielders jobs. As for Campbell, just fuck him off. Please fuck him off, I’ve had enough of that idle Fucker playing 1 in 10. He can’t even jump
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Post by george2again on Sept 17, 2023 7:09:11 GMT
Said it time and time again we have no leaders in the team. Captaincy needs removing from the least captain like player in the club. ThTs the starting point.
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Post by campbellsleftpeg on Sept 17, 2023 7:21:21 GMT
Why arent we using the only ever good formation we have had, 4-2-3-1?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2023 7:32:26 GMT
Why arent we using the only ever good formation we have had, 4-2-3-1? This is something I’ve been saying for 7 years.
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Post by stantheman on Sept 17, 2023 8:02:40 GMT
It's the center attacking positions that never got the attention they deserved. Wesley is an effective player, only if there is a good No.10 around him. On his own up top, I feel for him as he's got no one near him for 20 yards. We put our financial attacking hope in Maee, who hasn't got us off our seats, and it's worrying that he's injured so early in the season. Gayle showed yesterday that lack of game time/age really doesn't help strikers at the best of times.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 18, 2023 16:25:13 GMT
It's the center attacking positions that never got the attention they deserved. Wesley is an effective player, only if there is a good No.10 around him. On his own up top, I feel for him as he's got no one near him for 20 yards. We put our financial attacking hope in Maee, who hasn't got us off our seats, and it's worrying that he's injured so early in the season. Gayle showed yesterday that lack of game time/age really doesn't help strikers at the best of times. I don’t think either Wesley or Mmaee were meant to be our major signing for CF.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 18, 2023 16:32:29 GMT
It's the center attacking positions that never got the attention they deserved. Wesley is an effective player, only if there is a good No.10 around him. On his own up top, I feel for him as he's got no one near him for 20 yards. We put our financial attacking hope in Maee, who hasn't got us off our seats, and it's worrying that he's injured so early in the season. Gayle showed yesterday that lack of game time/age really doesn't help strikers at the best of times. I don’t think either Wesley or Mmaee were meant to be our major signing for CF. Well they had the whole summer to do better and np lack of funds so the Buick stops there , another defeat to 0 on Wednesday and its surely jsut a matter of time
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Post by baconburger on Sept 18, 2023 17:10:58 GMT
I don’t think either Wesley or Mmaee were meant to be our major signing for CF. Well they had the whole summer to do better and np lack of funds so the Buick stops there , another defeat to 0 on Wednesday and its surely jsut a matter of time Of course the Buick stops there, it’s jsut a matter of time before Mork calls Orsen ffs. They allowed what seemed a healthy amount for a front line championship striker circa £5M which turned out to be fairly mediocre. They revised their targets downward to a player who wasn’t even on the radar a week earlier and couldn’t come to a sensible deal for him either . Wesley and Mmaee cost a combined £1.75M (€2M) upfront. What can you expect and who can you blame if you’re a reasonable person who realises you don’t always get your own way.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 18, 2023 17:26:39 GMT
It doesn’t help when we continually concede soft goals. WTF was Gooch doing ? Stop the f ing cross man . Didn’t get anywhere close to the man . Allowed him to keep his head up and centre unchallenged. Not impressed. Just basic defending . And Stevens has gone under the radar too . Diabolical at Ipswich . I don’t see anyone bollocking others either . Spineless the lot of them . And like the rest of the board don’t get me started on Campbell. Rant over
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 18, 2023 17:35:05 GMT
If McNally is worse than the two clowns who played today then heaven help us. He was massively at fault for Preston's goal. That's why he was dropped. He got himself in a position where he could do nothing. Couldn't move a ross once Wilmot had been beaten, wrong side to intercept the pass and wrong side to block the shot. He was hauled almost immediately for that schoolboy error.
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 18, 2023 17:48:35 GMT
We're clearly missing Jacob Brown
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Post by baconburger on Sept 18, 2023 18:31:31 GMT
If McNally is worse than the two clowns who played today then heaven help us. He was massively at fault for Preston's goal. That's why he was dropped. He got himself in a position where he could do nothing. Couldn't move a ross once Wilmot had been beaten, wrong side to intercept the pass and wrong side to block the shot. He was hauled almost immediately for that schoolboy error. So Wesley took a goal kick for them trying to control the ball. Wilmot got wrong footed by the sudden and unnecessary change from attacking phase to defensive phase and McNally had got himself where he was unable to cover FFS instant hooking and dropping for that we might as well start a new 11 every week complete and utter out of proportion kneejerk reaction.
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Post by pavel on Sept 18, 2023 18:34:21 GMT
We've made not getting anything after going behind into a art form, in fact we have a Master's in it. It may be something to do with just replacing like for like, no imagination. I think fondly of the days when we used to throw Dennis Smith up front, it rarely worked but it did cause chaos sometimes.
Seriously though, I would have brought Lowe on before Gayle, why try what we have tried time and again and expect anything different from Gayle.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 18, 2023 18:43:24 GMT
We've made not getting anything after going behind into a art form, in fact we have a Master's in it. It may be something to do with just replacing like for like, no imagination. I think fondly of the days when we used to throw Dennis Smith up front, it rarely worked but it did cause chaos sometimes. Seriously though, I would have brought Lowe on before Gayle, why try what we have tried time and again and expect anything different from Gayle. We've seen CB's going up front. GK's coming up for set pieces yet we're still knocking it about in the middle of the park with seconds remaining. It's not just us it seems to be pretty widespread but absolutely maddening.
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