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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 5, 2023 9:32:07 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66714875"I've gone above and beyond to help [the LGBTQ+ community]. I've worn the laces. I've worn the armband. I've spoken to people in that community to try to use my profile to help them. That's all I've ever tried to do."
When I hear stuff like, 'You've turned your back on us', that hurts me. I do care. I have family and friends in the LGBTQ+ community."Is the criticism fair?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 5, 2023 9:43:21 GMT
Can you truly say you support it if you then go to take lots of money from a country where the exact opposite applies? He seems like a decent, genuine bloke and I guess it's a position in which most of us will never find ourselves in.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Sept 5, 2023 9:44:11 GMT
I don't blame him for going given the money, but he could possibly use his position over there to raise awareness, not matter how awkward it might be and then folk may be more understanding.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 5, 2023 9:51:14 GMT
Laces and armbands, that showed 'em
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 5, 2023 9:54:13 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66714875"I've gone above and beyond to help [the LGBTQ+ community]. I've worn the laces. I've worn the armband. I've spoken to people in that community to try to use my profile to help them. That's all I've ever tried to do."
When I hear stuff like, 'You've turned your back on us', that hurts me. I do care. I have family and friends in the LGBTQ+ community."Is the criticism fair? Of course it is. I am glad he supported the LGBTQ+ community in the past, but signing for a team in country which beheads and executes LGBTQ+ people is outrageous. He deserves every bit of criticism! Amnesty International
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 5, 2023 9:58:33 GMT
Can you truly say you support it if you then go to take lots of money from a country where the exact opposite applies? He seems like a decent, genuine bloke and I guess it's a position in which most of us will never find ourselves in. For all we know he might be donating ( or already) money to the said groups....... Whether thats now a guilt trip and hes thought long and hard about that we dont know......
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Post by kerouac on Sept 5, 2023 9:59:42 GMT
Of course the criticism is fair,he’s worn the shoe laces (wow Jordan,you hero….ffs!) but when push came to shove,where he could have made a meaningful stance,he’s fucked off and chased the money,poured on him in vast sums,by a regime where the exact thing he once “supported” is illegal and Allah forbid anyone who practices it.There’s no fucking grey area here,a la “ oh what would you do?/he’s securing the welfare of his great great great grandchildren/well he can now put his ideas and arguments to the hierarchy(yeah right….I’d love to see how that goes down!)……it’s all about the money and anything else can just do one PLUS the thick “pointer in chief” still gets picked for England.Jesus Hates Christ.
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 5, 2023 10:06:27 GMT
Wearing a couple of token gestures is hardly anything worth shouting about. I'm sure some people wear something "rainbow" without any intention of being pro-rights. And speaking to people and promoting, ok. A quick chat at a fans forum. Hmm? Criticism, yep it's fair.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Sept 5, 2023 10:07:40 GMT
I'd respect him if he come out and said "I honestly don't care about the LGBTQ shit over here, I've only come for shit loads of money" . That's the hard truth and if I was offered what he's earning , I'd do exactly the same. He's made for life.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 5, 2023 10:33:25 GMT
I'd respect him if he come out and said "I honestly don't care about the LGBTQ shit over here, I've only come for shit loads of money" . That's the hard truth and if I was offered what he's earning , I'd do exactly the same. He's made for life. Talking about what persuaded him to head to Saudi Arabia, Henderson said he was attracted by the prospect of trying to grow the game he loves in another country and said nothing would change by criticising another country from afar while burying "our heads in the sand".
People can believe me or not, but in my life and my career, money has never been a motivation. Ever," he said.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 5, 2023 10:33:56 GMT
Well wear your armband and laces next time you take the field for Al Ettifaq then Jordan.
That way you might restore a bit of your credibility.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 5, 2023 10:41:57 GMT
Laces and armbands, that showed 'em Exactly what I was thinking. Pathetic.
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Post by werrington on Sept 5, 2023 10:43:37 GMT
I love how the media jump on board this bandwagon but I didn’t see any of those boycott Qatar etc
Hypocrites the absolute lot of em
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Post by stoke1989 on Sept 5, 2023 10:45:49 GMT
I wish football could be played without politics, token gestures, virtue signalling etc..just play football
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Post by stoke1989 on Sept 5, 2023 10:53:15 GMT
Gareth Southgate's take;
"I find the area really complicated because we have a lot of trade with Saudi Arabia. We buy oil from Saudi Arabia, there's Saudi Arabian investment across a lot of British industries and I don't see any protests against any of that.
So, it does feel to me as if the involvement with Newcastle, the decision for Jordan to go there, get a different level of scrutiny to everything else. I don’t really know what the morality argument is because so many of our industries are wrapped up with Saudi investment. Given the situation with Russia we are reliant on Saudi Arabia for a lot of our oil.
They’re invested in so many British industries but I don’t hear any noises about that. It’s only the football that’s highlighted. The LGBT plus stance is a religious belief in that country."
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Post by stantheman on Sept 5, 2023 10:57:11 GMT
I couldn't give a monkey's chuff.....
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 5, 2023 11:01:55 GMT
Gareth Southgate's take; "I find the area really complicated because we have a lot of trade with Saudi Arabia. We buy oil from Saudi Arabia, there's Saudi Arabian investment across a lot of British industries and I don't see any protests against any of that. So, it does feel to me as if the involvement with Newcastle, the decision for Jordan to go there, get a different level of scrutiny to everything else. I don’t really know what the morality argument is because so many of our industries are wrapped up with Saudi investment. Given the situation with Russia we are reliant on Saudi Arabia for a lot of our oil. They’re invested in so many British industries but I don’t hear any noises about that. It’s only the football that’s highlighted. The LGBT plus stance is a religious belief in that country." At least someone speaks sense.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 5, 2023 11:06:41 GMT
Don't think I'd be turning my back tbh
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 5, 2023 11:20:27 GMT
Typical BBC question as well. The first thing they were asking at the WC was about armbands over football.
He can play where he wants and doesn't have to justify anything
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 5, 2023 11:25:33 GMT
He's a hypocritical prick.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 5, 2023 11:26:36 GMT
He can't have it both ways. Be outspoken about it one minute then take their coin the next. He's bound to be asked questions.
He's taken the money to secure his family and future generations. We'd all do it.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 5, 2023 11:36:08 GMT
Gareth Southgate's take; "I find the area really complicated because we have a lot of trade with Saudi Arabia. We buy oil from Saudi Arabia, there's Saudi Arabian investment across a lot of British industries and I don't see any protests against any of that. So, it does feel to me as if the involvement with Newcastle, the decision for Jordan to go there, get a different level of scrutiny to everything else. I don’t really know what the morality argument is because so many of our industries are wrapped up with Saudi investment. Given the situation with Russia we are reliant on Saudi Arabia for a lot of our oil. They’re invested in so many British industries but I don’t hear any noises about that. It’s only the football that’s highlighted. The LGBT plus stance is a religious belief in that country." Erm, because British industries do not go virtue signalling with armbands and laces? Must remember to get my rainbow credit card wallet out net time I fill up the car.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 5, 2023 11:36:28 GMT
What a dick. If your morals are so great you wouldn’t be there supporting an archaic society.
To come out whining about it is laughable. Poor little lamb chop…
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 5, 2023 11:38:46 GMT
Gareth Southgate's take; "I find the area really complicated because we have a lot of trade with Saudi Arabia. We buy oil from Saudi Arabia, there's Saudi Arabian investment across a lot of British industries and I don't see any protests against any of that. So, it does feel to me as if the involvement with Newcastle, the decision for Jordan to go there, get a different level of scrutiny to everything else. I don’t really know what the morality argument is because so many of our industries are wrapped up with Saudi investment. Given the situation with Russia we are reliant on Saudi Arabia for a lot of our oil. They’re invested in so many British industries but I don’t hear any noises about that. It’s only the football that’s highlighted. The LGBT plus stance is a religious belief in that country." At least someone speaks sense. I reckon Henderson is getting more criticism over where he has chosen to play football for LGBTQ+ rights than the Prime Minister of the country has had for rolling out the red carpet to a man who the CIA found to have ordered the assassination of a journalist. And what concerns me probably slightly less is that he is going to be anywhere England's midfield. *Henderson that is, not bin Salam.
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 5, 2023 11:45:35 GMT
He obviously does respect the LGBTQ+ community, but he's chosen to go and earn shedloads of brass in a country that doesn't and actually beheads some of them. Southgate is right to point out the hypocrisy of how other Saudi projects are embraced in this country but nogger is carrying the can because it's a MSM easy target. Henderson says, "I didn't know anything about it until it was out," Henderson said. "It's hard for me to know and understand everything because it is part of the religion.
"So if I wear the rainbow armband, if that disrespects their religion, then that's not right either. Everybody should be respectful of religion and culture."
No they shouldn't. Their religion and culture has yet to leave the Middle Ages. Saudi is not the only one in that regard. I can't think of any religion where parts (sometimes small and sometimes large) has yet left behind those middle aged sentiments. A prime example of that is in the US where many Christians practice extreme religious bullshit.
Henderson has chosen to work where he is and must take the flak along with the money. But then we can ask the question: how many of the general population would have not taken the bribe, ditched their principles, and filled their banks for that kind of money? Not many methinks.
OS.
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 5, 2023 11:51:00 GMT
I wish football could be played without politics, token gestures, virtue signalling etc..just play football Football (and sport more broadly) is not an island. I understand the desire for it to be otherwise but it is, always will be, shaped by politics. It's a fantasy to believe otherwise. The best you can hope for would be football in a political system based on real democracy not profit. Just imagine how much better the game would be without the huge gulf between rich and poor clubs. No buying the title every year, no exorbitant salaries, no human rights abusing owners and no gambling targeting the vulnerable. It would be so much more competitive and 1000x better to watch. As people felt less alienated, I am sure many, many more people would play football. Obesity rates would plummet too.
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Post by werrington on Sept 5, 2023 11:51:02 GMT
Sky TV is another hypocrite
Asking all these questions and all whilst selling PPV boxing fights in Saudi and covering the Grand Prix in Bahrain and Saudi
Which brings me on to Anthony Joshua and Lewis Hamilton and their constant equality stance drum thumping
See where all this is going
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 5, 2023 11:59:42 GMT
I love how the media jump on board this bandwagon but I didn’t see any of those boycott Qatar etc Hypocrites the absolute lot of em That may be true, you make a good point, but isn't he just setting himself up here? I mean firstly, laces and armbands.....I mean wow! but secondly, what's stopping him wearing them now, if they were important before? I see the issue with who is criticising him, and question marks over their credibility as a slightly different issue myself.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 5, 2023 12:03:57 GMT
I wish football could be played without politics, token gestures, virtue signalling etc..just play football Spot on...keep all this nonsense out of the game
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Post by Goonie on Sept 5, 2023 12:12:13 GMT
People work in intolerant countries for cash all the while - should they too be held to this scrutiny?
Asking for a friend 😶🌫️
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