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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 2, 2023 22:09:49 GMT
Never seems to challenge for a header.
Very poor today.
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Hoever!
Sept 2, 2023 23:05:09 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 2, 2023 23:05:09 GMT
He was terrible again He needs benching I think he'll only play in certain games now Gooch is here and I can see it all going a bit Chiquinho. Yeah I think you’re right not been impressed by him at all this season and I’ve taken to gooch straight away very direct today and put some good balls in also. With junior also in the running now hoever has to get his finger out |
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 3, 2023 1:48:52 GMT
Needs dropping. We have two better RB options now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 3, 2023 9:54:26 GMT
I’m still not sure why we got him back.
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Hoever!
Sept 3, 2023 10:35:17 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 3, 2023 10:35:17 GMT
Gives the ball away more times than Stevie Wonder would.
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Hoever!
Sept 3, 2023 10:40:35 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 3, 2023 10:40:35 GMT
I’m still not sure why we got him back. Scores goals, which is a hard thing to do in this league. Gives the 19 year old some time to settle in and takes the pressure off him? |
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 3, 2023 10:46:27 GMT
I’m still not sure why we got him back. I am guessing that until we signed Gooch and Junior on deadline day, he was our only reasonable option? |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 3, 2023 10:50:31 GMT
I think he'll only play in certain games now Gooch is here and I can see it all going a bit Chiquinho. Yeah I think you’re right not been impressed by him at all this season and I’ve taken to gooch straight away very direct today and put some good balls in also. With junior also in the running now hoever has to get his finger out Hoever is a massive asset when he gets into the attacking third. Take that away, and he has little else to offer. Yesterday, in only half the time Hoever was on the pitch, Gooch had over twice as many touches of the ball in the attacking third - that says it all. I'm very thankful we only have Hoever on loan. We need to take great lengths this season with easing Junior into our style of play as understudy to Gooch, with the intent that Junior will be ready to be first choice RB next season. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 3, 2023 10:51:21 GMT
I’m still not sure why we got him back. Scores goals, which is a hard thing to do in this league. Gives the 19 year old some time to settle in and takes the pressure off him? Scores goals. He’s a right back. He can’t defend. That’s all that matters. |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Sept 3, 2023 10:55:02 GMT
I’m still not sure why we got him back. Scores goals, which is a hard thing to do in this league. Gives the 19 year old some time to settle in and takes the pressure off him? He’s 21, 22 in January. |
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 3, 2023 11:00:52 GMT
He's even less of a full-back than Tymon was, he's most effective as a wing-back, just as Tymon was. Stoke are too poor defensively, at the moment, to place any reliance upon him defending the right flank effectively. Exactly my thoughts but when he's playing well he's more effective when going forward than Tymon was. Our defence is a mess at the moment and it's not helping that we don't have two settled central defenders. OS. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 3, 2023 11:05:14 GMT
He's even less of a full-back than Tymon was, he's most effective as a wing-back, just as Tymon was. Stoke are too poor defensively, at the moment, to place any reliance upon him defending the right flank effectively. Exactly my thoughts but when he's playing well he's more effective when going forward than Tymon was. Our defence is a mess at the moment and it's not helping that we don't have two settled central defenders. OS. It's irresponsible management really that we've signed so many players yet we have 2 permanent centre backs on the books and one 33 year old left back. |
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Hoever!
Sept 3, 2023 11:07:02 GMT
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Post by Dave the Rave on Sept 3, 2023 11:07:02 GMT
Exactly my thoughts but when he's playing well he's more effective when going forward than Tymon was. Our defence is a mess at the moment and it's not helping that we don't have two settled central defenders. OS. It's irresponsible management really that we've signed so many players yet we have 2 permanent centre backs on the books and one 33 year old left back. Stephens is 30 isn't he? |
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 3, 2023 11:09:59 GMT
It's irresponsible management really that we've signed so many players yet we have 2 permanent centre backs on the books and one 33 year old left back. Stephens is 30 isn't he? Stevens is 33 |
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Hoever!
Sept 3, 2023 11:25:43 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 3, 2023 11:25:43 GMT
Scores goals, which is a hard thing to do in this league. Gives the 19 year old some time to settle in and takes the pressure off him? He’s 21, 22 in January. Sorry, I meant the player from Colchester. Hoever is a loan, he’s not a long term option. Just an expensive stop gap that will be back in this league next year with some other team willing to be exploited by the system. The lad from Colchester is 19 and has just stepped up two divisions. He will take time to get up to speed. At least now, he’s not thrown to the wolves right away. |
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Hoever!
Sept 3, 2023 13:17:36 GMT
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Post by stokesaint1 on Sept 3, 2023 13:17:36 GMT
If Neil is going to play with 4 at the back then Hoever is absolutely NOT the right person for the right back role. He cannot defend and is frequently caught out of position. Love the guy going forward but please, if we are staying with a back 4 then replace him now. I am sure he could do a great job in the wide role further forward but we do seem to have about 8 others now, who fit that brief. Based on yesterday it's just a pity that a couple of them weren't centre backs.
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Post by st3mark on Sept 3, 2023 13:20:45 GMT
He's a good player but it certainly is all or nothing with him.
He can have no complaints if The Gooch starts next match. Or Junior for that matter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 13:51:53 GMT
I can't believe Stevens isn't getting more stick on here. Hoever was poor yesterday but for me most of our problems and both goals came down our left side.
I think Gooch should replace Stevens.
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Hoever!
Sept 3, 2023 13:56:02 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Sept 3, 2023 13:56:02 GMT
I can't believe Stevens isn't getting more stick on here. Hoever was poor yesterday but for me most of our problems and both goals came down our left side. I think Gooch should replace Stevens. Stevens was poor. Offered zero going forward too. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 13:56:25 GMT
He is the anti Andy Wilkinson , good at everything Wilko was poor at .
Poor at everything, Wilko was good at .
Unfortunate then , that Wilko was a rock solid RB and team player.
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Hoever!
Sept 3, 2023 14:03:37 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on Sept 3, 2023 14:03:37 GMT
I can't believe Stevens isn't getting more stick on here. Hoever was poor yesterday but for me most of our problems and both goals came down our left side. I think Gooch should replace Stevens. If that was tymon he would be getting pelters on here. He was absolute dogshit and for his age, he should be miles more clued on for the second. Shockingly bad |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 3, 2023 14:06:37 GMT
I can't believe Stevens isn't getting more stick on here. Hoever was poor yesterday but for me most of our problems and both goals came down our left side. I think Gooch should replace Stevens. Stevens was poor. Offered zero going forward too. His shitty crosses were pissing me off yesterday, just lazily lumped in with no pace or any thought of where he was putting it. |
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Post by stokesaint1 on Sept 3, 2023 16:38:01 GMT
I can't believe Stevens isn't getting more stick on here. Hoever was poor yesterday but for me most of our problems and both goals came down our left side. I think Gooch should replace Stevens. The problem here is that there is zero competition for the pure left back role especially with Tymon gone, which I don't mind at all as he couldn't defend anyway. But we do appear to have overloaded with naturally right sided players. Almost as big a recruitment error as not getting in a left sided centre back. Using Gooch or Junior at left back is purely the plaster we may have to use until the problem can be properly rectified, when someone recognises it as a problem. Left back has been a key issue for far too long at this club. |
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Hoever!
Sept 3, 2023 22:44:24 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 3, 2023 22:44:24 GMT
Scores goals, which is a hard thing to do in this league. Gives the 19 year old some time to settle in and takes the pressure off him? Scores goals. He’s a right back. He can’t defend. That’s all that matters. In the same way as a defender doesn’t need to pass a ball, yes. In a 433 where no midfielder operates as an attacking outlet, goals from your fullbacks are generally helpful. |
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Hoever!
Sept 3, 2023 22:52:51 GMT
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Post by stokefanone on Sept 3, 2023 22:52:51 GMT
Ok in a back 5, not a good enough defender to be an out and out right back.
We have conceded 4 goals with balls crossed to our right side of the box. Can’t defend in the area at all.
Gooch seems a possible answer?
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Hoever!
Sept 4, 2023 22:53:10 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2023 22:53:10 GMT
Does anyone else find the defending of him with he scores goals just really childish?
Like it’s just not a serious argument for grown ups.
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Hoever!
Sept 4, 2023 22:55:48 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 4, 2023 22:55:48 GMT
Does anyone else find the defending of him with he scores goals just really childish? Like it’s just not a serious argument for grown ups. I don’t think anyone serious makes that argument but people are allowed to enjoy him for his attacking output and you should accept that. We have not had many attacking full backs over the years. |
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Hoever!
Sept 4, 2023 22:56:39 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2023 22:56:39 GMT
Does anyone else find the defending of him with he scores goals just really childish? Like it’s just not a serious argument for grown ups. I don’t think anyone serious makes that argument but people are allowed to enjoy him for his attacking output and you should accept that. We have not had many attacking full backs over the years. It’s literally the only argument they have 😂 He’s absolute dogshit. |
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Hoever!
Sept 4, 2023 23:08:00 GMT
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 4, 2023 23:08:00 GMT
Scores goals, which is a hard thing to do in this league. Gives the 19 year old some time to settle in and takes the pressure off him? Scores goals. He’s a right back. He can’t defend. That’s all that matters. Being a good defender isn’t all that matters in right backs anymore though is it? Surely the fact that Alexander-Arnold has won everything you can win at club level playing right back is proof of that. The fact is a lot of the time Hoever has been one of our best attacking options and playing him at right back gets the best out of him in that sense rather than wing back or on the wing. He’s not undroppable and I don’t think anyone is saying he is but in an Alex Neil system with the full backs pushing up high as they were on our best run of games last season, he works pretty well most of the time. He’s been poor for a couple of games this season though and should probably be dropped for Gooch vs Norwich (especially with Hoever going away with the Dutch u21’s) |
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Hoever!
Sept 4, 2023 23:09:37 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 4, 2023 23:09:37 GMT
I don’t think anyone serious makes that argument but people are allowed to enjoy him for his attacking output and you should accept that. We have not had many attacking full backs over the years. It’s literally the only argument they have 😂 He’s absolute dogshit. I don’t think he’s dogshit is he? Why have you logged on to the oatcake at midnight to slag off your least favourite player? Bit sad. |
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