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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2023 19:37:35 GMT
Played shit during the week did he? Kk League games are what matter. Early cup rounds where teams aren't always playing at 100% don't count. So I always take cup performances with a pinch of salt. League games wise, it's 4 poor performances in a row. Disagree but ok
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Sept 2, 2023 19:51:50 GMT
Laurent and Campbell are both big strapping lads and yet more often than not the energy they put into their game is absolutely woeful, I was actually disappointed that no one came in for either of them. Laurent is not a leader on the pitch, him loping casually about midfield probably has the exact opposite result. If they can't be arsed to put in a proper shift they should both be on the bench.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Sept 2, 2023 19:54:16 GMT
He did okay for about the first 5 minutes then disappeared
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 2, 2023 20:17:56 GMT
He shouldn't have been given captaincy. He needs dropping for the next one and it should be Burger, Jun-Ho and Pearson in midfield for the next one. Let Wilmot have captaincy.
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Post by stokie23 on Sept 2, 2023 20:51:14 GMT
Not showing any leadership traits, almost emotionless at times.
Burger, Wilmot, Pearson all a lot more vocal.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2023 21:22:11 GMT
Not showing any leadership traits, almost emotionless at times. Burger, Wilmot, Pearson all a lot more vocal. He may or may not grow into the role. Strip him now and it might absolutely destroy what's left of him. He needs some training in leadership though. For some it comes naturally but for others it's a skill that you develop. There's time.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 2, 2023 21:24:19 GMT
Wilmot or Pearson should be captain.
A few jokey Twitter exchanges should not warrant being made a captain.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2023 21:31:37 GMT
Wilmot or Pearson should be captain. A few jokey Twitter exchanges should not warrant being made a captain. Strip Laurent now and it's game over for him.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2023 21:43:01 GMT
I don't. Hence my point that many of the same people thought Shawcross was a poor choice. I don't know is the truth. I think that we've got a surprisingly good bunch of players who are yet to quite gel and yet are still putting in reasonable displays. But do we have a captain among them? Well we only had ab out 6 players a few months back so it's not like we had a ye old reliable to turn to. Is Laurent captain material right now imo? At this stage I would say no, but that's not to say he won't grow into the role. Life is long, opinions change and people grow and develop into the role they are expected to fill. History is full of examples of great captains who grew into the role rather than came in as some kind of made-for-football leader. It's an interesting point you raise, because I'm not convinced either that any of our first team players scream "captain" material. Out of the current bunch I'd go for Pearson, and I'm not his biggest fan. Pearson is a top shithouse. Does it make him a leader?
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Post by stokiespark on Sept 2, 2023 22:11:57 GMT
Turned up twice this season both against Rotherham, not good enough! To many games pass him by.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 23:02:14 GMT
It's an interesting point you raise, because I'm not convinced either that any of our first team players scream "captain" material. Out of the current bunch I'd go for Pearson, and I'm not his biggest fan. Pearson is a top shithouse. Does it make him a leader? Not automatically no.
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Post by stokiespark on Sept 2, 2023 23:03:09 GMT
needs to play against Rotherham every week.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2023 23:08:04 GMT
Pearson is a top shithouse. Does it make him a leader? Not automatically no. My point exactly, players grow into the role of leader. He may need a bit of leadership training.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 3, 2023 10:12:06 GMT
Laurent and Campbell are both big strapping lads and yet more often than not the energy they put into their game is absolutely woeful, I was actually disappointed that no one came in for either of them. Laurent is not a leader on the pitch, him loping casually about midfield probably has the exact opposite result. If they can't be arsed to put in a proper shift they should both be on the bench. Can Neil not show him videos of his performances from that half-dozen purple patch earlier this year and say to him "Just do that every game, otherwise you're dropped!" Laurent's not that thick surely. He must know what's expected of him and that he needs to be making those driving runs towards the penalty area. What stops him from doing that in most games, then suddenly switch on again in a few others? Burger actually spent more time getting further forward, while Laurent was close to hugging the halfway line closer to Pearson. It's just unacceptable, and even more so from our captain.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 3, 2023 10:15:28 GMT
Had a bad game, round on the player. Dear me. He hasn't been good enough this season and if the team is being picked on merit, and hopefully it is, he shouldn't be in it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 3, 2023 10:17:32 GMT
Wilmot or Pearson should be captain. A few jokey Twitter exchanges should not warrant being made a captain. Why would anyone want Wilmot as captain!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 3, 2023 10:22:46 GMT
Interesting to hear Clive Clarke’s appraisal of Laurent post the last home league game.
In his view he had all the attributes to be a top class, premier league defensive midfield player but that playing more advanced midfield role, he’s simply not good enough.
Alluded to the player himself needing to understand his limitations and that Laurent probably isn’t as good, at this moment in time, as he himself thinks he is.
Hard to disagree with that view really.
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Post by george2again on Sept 3, 2023 10:45:14 GMT
He shouldn't have been given captaincy. He needs dropping for the next one and it should be Burger, Jun-Ho and Pearson in midfield for the next one. Let Wilmot have captaincy. Agreed about Lauren and captaincy but it would be out of frying pan into the fire giving it to Wilmot. Neither are leaders or organisers.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 3, 2023 10:46:43 GMT
He’s beginning to remind me more game by game of Sam Clucas
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Post by mrnovember on Sept 3, 2023 11:36:08 GMT
Interesting to hear Clive Clarke’s appraisal of Laurent post the last home league game. In his view he had all the attributes to be a top class, premier league defensive midfield player but that playing more advanced midfield role, he’s simply not good enough. Alluded to the player himself needing to understand his limitations and that Laurent probably isn’t as good, at this moment in time, as he himself thinks he is. Hard to disagree with that view really. I'd argue and say he needs to have more faith in himself and offer for the ball more. He hid yesterday until after Preston had scored their second. They then sat back and let him have the ball and he was popping up all over the shop. Until then he didn't want anything to do with it. You mark him, you neutralise him.
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Post by greenhoff on Sept 3, 2023 11:49:53 GMT
He has all the attributes to be one of the top midfielders in this league, however he doesn't turn up for too many games. He looked pedestrian yesterday and the game passed him by. If we want to play an all action,fluid pressing game then he simply can't be in the first 11. Same for Campbell, Wesley and to a certain extent Pearson. The difference Junho and Gooch made was there for all to see. Urgency and a determination to make things happen. Gooch made Campbell look awful with his constant movement and probing. Campbell basically stood and watched It will take time for the team to evolve but for me the more mobile aggressive players should form the first eleven
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Post by theglove on Sept 3, 2023 15:09:37 GMT
Not showing any leadership traits, almost emotionless at times. Burger, Wilmot, Pearson all a lot more vocal. He may or may not grow into the role. Strip him now and it might absolutely destroy what's left of him. He needs some training in leadership though. For some it comes naturally but for others it's a skill that you develop. There's time. In the clips from training I've seen on Youtube, DJ seems quite captainesque.
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 3, 2023 15:13:40 GMT
He may or may not grow into the role. Strip him now and it might absolutely destroy what's left of him. He needs some training in leadership though. For some it comes naturally but for others it's a skill that you develop. There's time. In the clips from training I've seen on Youtube, DJ seems quite captainesque. Perfectly acceptable to drop the captain, and he can still be the club captain. Seen that happen before and in this day and age I can’t see why it would be an issue. He may be a great leader off the pitch, great trainer, great motivator etc, but his body language and communication in games stinks.
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Post by TinkerT on Sept 3, 2023 15:19:49 GMT
Interesting to hear Clive Clarke’s appraisal of Laurent post the last home league game. In his view he had all the attributes to be a top class, premier league defensive midfield player but that playing more advanced midfield role, he’s simply not good enough. Alluded to the player himself needing to understand his limitations and that Laurent probably isn’t as good, at this moment in time, as he himself thinks he is. Hard to disagree with that view really. Since when has Clive Clarke played in the top division and won things? I think if he was trying tell me how play my position (a position he's never played in his life) I'd tell him fuck himself off. Laurents performances have pretty much summed up our season, he plays well we look like we will walk the league, he plays bad and we're absolute shite. I'm not saying he's our best player or anything either, but at the moment we need he pointing the finger at Pearson in midfield not him.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 3, 2023 17:02:05 GMT
Had a bad game, round on the player. Dear me. He hasn't been good enough this season and if the team is being picked on merit, and hopefully it is, he shouldn't be in it. I agree that the team should be picked on merit. Just not sure he's played quite as badly as people on here think. He's been average, not terrible.
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 3, 2023 17:15:00 GMT
Had a bad game, round on the player. Dear me. He hasn't been good enough this season and if the team is being picked on merit, and hopefully it is, he shouldn't be in it. It will be very interesting for the next game as Laurent and hoever should be dropped as now we have better players. If there still picked v Norwich it will tell me a lot about AN
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 3, 2023 17:18:45 GMT
He hasn't been good enough this season and if the team is being picked on merit, and hopefully it is, he shouldn't be in it. I agree that the team should be picked on merit. Just not sure he's played quite as badly as people on here think. He's been average, not terrible. I’m a Laurent fan but have to say at the min on yesterdays showing we have better players hence needs to be dropped and it may just be what he needs to give him a kick up the backside
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Post by metalhead on Sept 3, 2023 17:40:24 GMT
I agree that the team should be picked on merit. Just not sure he's played quite as badly as people on here think. He's been average, not terrible. I’m a Laurent fan but have to say at the min on yesterdays showing we have better players hence needs to be dropped and it may just be what he needs to give him a kick up the backside I think considering the size of the squad and the resources we have at our disposal, we can rotate him in and out. I don't think yesterday was his best game but I think everyone is a bit hot after what was a disappointing result.
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Post by questionable on Sept 3, 2023 17:43:15 GMT
Wilmot or Pearson should be captain. A few jokey Twitter exchanges should not warrant being made a captain. Strip Laurent now and it's game over for him. One way ticket on the Baker express coming up.
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Post by onepara on Sept 3, 2023 18:01:05 GMT
Wilmot or Pearson should be captain. A few jokey Twitter exchanges should not warrant being made a captain. Strip Laurent now and it's game over for him. In which case he has no strength of character, & therefore shouldn't be Captain.
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