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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 1, 2023 12:04:11 GMT
Jamal Lascelles contract ends June 2024.
Stoke need to get in here in January and try to get him on loan until the end of the season then get him signed up if not get him permanently signed up in January
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 1, 2023 12:07:27 GMT
Liam Moore is only 30 and looked alright when he was with us. He's physical and experienced (was captain at Reading) I'd be happy with him and he's a big improvement on Rose. Picking someone out of the crowd would be an improvement on Rose.
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Post by lordb on Oct 1, 2023 12:19:36 GMT
Jamal Lascelles contract ends June 2024. Stoke need to get in here in January and try to get him on loan until the end of the season then get him signed up if not get him permanently signed up in January Bid for him wasn't accepted
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Post by baconburger on Oct 1, 2023 12:24:43 GMT
Jamal Lascelles contract ends June 2024. Stoke need to get in here in January and try to get him on loan until the end of the season then get him signed up if not get him permanently signed up in January Bid for him wasn't accepted Don’t think much of his spacial awareness anyhow. When that bloke punched him he didn’t even know he was there😂😂😂
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 1, 2023 12:33:21 GMT
Jamal Lascelles contract ends June 2024. Stoke need to get in here in January and try to get him on loan until the end of the season then get him signed up if not get him permanently signed up in January Bid for him wasn't accepted Interesting, didn't even know we made a bid? Any more info on that one, how much? Well we might be going back then in January with him being out of contract six months later
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Post by lordb on Oct 1, 2023 12:36:57 GMT
Bid for him wasn't accepted Interesting, didn't even know we made a bid? Any more info on that one? Well we might be going back then in January with him being out of contract six months later No just that we put a bid in near end of window don't know if Newcastle turned it down or the player Given we can't afford to get free agent C Clark atm assume we need to ease the wage bill or sell a player to make signings in January? Baker out on loan would ease that perhaps Hope I'm wrong and we have a pot to work with CB and another left back (& ideally a goalscorer) for January If we can squeeze a decent loan in then do that
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 1, 2023 12:44:23 GMT
Interesting, didn't even know we made a bid? Any more info on that one? Well we might be going back then in January with him being out of contract six months later No just that we put a bid in near end of window don't know if Newcastle turned it down or the player Given we can't afford to get free agent C Clark atm assume we need to ease the wage bill or sell a player to make signings in January? Baker out on loan would ease that perhaps Hope I'm wrong and we have a pot to work with CB and another left back (& ideally a goalscorer) for January If we can squeeze a decent loan in then do that Was it a case of not being able to afford Clarke or us deciding it's too much, length of contract etc. If we bid for Lascelles that's a big positive, plus we've missed out on this young European player a 'powerhouse' as described. It just shows he's aware of the type we need. Not sure where we are ffp wise, I thought our outlays were modest considering a couple of sale. They've got to be looking at that Bruno Petkovic he's a beast, with his contract ending in 2024, we could double his earnings. Two players there with contracts runni g out that could move us forward
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 1, 2023 12:47:52 GMT
Liam Moore is only 30 and looked alright when he was with us. He's physical and experienced (was captain at Reading) I'd be happy with him and he's a big improvement on Rose. Pretty bad knee injury last season and only managed 3 games, doesn't seem ideal.
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Post by baconburger on Oct 1, 2023 13:32:28 GMT
Interesting, didn't even know we made a bid? Any more info on that one? Well we might be going back then in January with him being out of contract six months later No just that we put a bid in near end of window don't know if Newcastle turned it down or the player Given we can't afford to get free agent C Clark atm assume we need to ease the wage bill or sell a player to make signings in January? Baker out on loan would ease that perhaps Hope I'm wrong and we have a pot to work with CB and another left back (& ideally a goalscorer) for January If we can squeeze a decent loan in then do that So we bid for Laselles and Thomas-Asante but couldn’t afford Ciaran Clarke. Those two things don’t really stack up. You’ve got to think we just drew a line in the sand and Clarke refused to walk across it. We also sold Tymon late on and spent some of that on Junior so would the remainder not pay an OK out of contract CB’s wages for a season? EDIT: Worked it out the difference should have been enough to pay £20K+ per week.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 1, 2023 13:36:26 GMT
Interesting, didn't even know we made a bid? Any more info on that one? Well we might be going back then in January with him being out of contract six months later No just that we put a bid in near end of window don't know if Newcastle turned it down or the player Given we can't afford to get free agent C Clark atm assume we need to ease the wage bill or sell a player to make signings in January? Baker out on loan would ease that perhaps Hope I'm wrong and we have a pot to work with CB and another left back (& ideally a goalscorer) for January If we can squeeze a decent loan in then do that There's no way mate that stoke don't have money to spend. They didn't even spend all the souttar money in the summer
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 1, 2023 13:44:22 GMT
No just that we put a bid in near end of window don't know if Newcastle turned it down or the player Given we can't afford to get free agent C Clark atm assume we need to ease the wage bill or sell a player to make signings in January? Baker out on loan would ease that perhaps Hope I'm wrong and we have a pot to work with CB and another left back (& ideally a goalscorer) for January If we can squeeze a decent loan in then do that So we bid for Laselles and Thomas-Asante but couldn’t afford Ciaran Clarke. Those two things don’t really stack up. You’ve got to think we just drew a line in the sand and Clarke refused to walk across it. We also sold Tymon late on and spent some of that on Junior so would the remainder not pay an OK out of contract CB’s wages for a season? EDIT: Worked it out the difference should have been enough to pay £20K+ per week. Could have just been offered a deal until the end of the season. We're probably saving money and squad places for a strong move for preferred targets in January. If that is the case I'm fully on board, I'd rather wait and get a proper player
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Post by baconburger on Oct 1, 2023 13:45:31 GMT
No just that we put a bid in near end of window don't know if Newcastle turned it down or the player Given we can't afford to get free agent C Clark atm assume we need to ease the wage bill or sell a player to make signings in January? Baker out on loan would ease that perhaps Hope I'm wrong and we have a pot to work with CB and another left back (& ideally a goalscorer) for January If we can squeeze a decent loan in then do that There's no way mate that stoke don't have money to spend. They didn't even spend all the souttar money in the summer I estimate we’re between £7.5M to £10M in the black on player trading in the AN era even allowing for quite a bit of vaguery in the deals ie non of the Souttar add ons are likely to materialise but we’ve also bought in players on lower up front fees than publicised ie I believe Mmaee was €2M (£1.75M) up front which is much lower than the figure that seems to be getting used to defines our transfer business. It remains to be seen what the effect has been on the wage bill.
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Post by baconburger on Oct 1, 2023 13:49:05 GMT
So we bid for Laselles and Thomas-Asante but couldn’t afford Ciaran Clarke. Those two things don’t really stack up. You’ve got to think we just drew a line in the sand and Clarke refused to walk across it. We also sold Tymon late on and spent some of that on Junior so would the remainder not pay an OK out of contract CB’s wages for a season? EDIT: Worked it out the difference should have been enough to pay £20K+ per week. Could have just been offered a deal until the end of the season. We're probably saving money and squad places for a strong move for preferred targets in January. If that is the case I'm fully on board, I'd rather wait and get a proper player If you’re on about Clarke I’d bloody hope he wasn’t offered anything beyond the end of the season. The end of January would have been more appropriate.
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 1, 2023 13:55:17 GMT
Could have just been offered a deal until the end of the season. We're probably saving money and squad places for a strong move for preferred targets in January. If that is the case I'm fully on board, I'd rather wait and get a proper player If you’re on about Clarke I’d bloody hope he wasn’t offered anything beyond the end of the season. The end of January would have been more appropriate. So you can see where differences would occur in negotiations if that was the case. I'd rather we held out for a better player anyway myself. Lascelles might not have been allowed to leave because of extra games with champions league qualification. I'm hoping we go back in January with a strong bid for a player with 6 months remaining
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Post by etebojan on Oct 1, 2023 14:16:13 GMT
Does anyone have the full transcript of Nixons Patreon story on Stoke / Clark(e?)
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Post by lordb on Oct 1, 2023 15:55:08 GMT
No just that we put a bid in near end of window don't know if Newcastle turned it down or the player Given we can't afford to get free agent C Clark atm assume we need to ease the wage bill or sell a player to make signings in January? Baker out on loan would ease that perhaps Hope I'm wrong and we have a pot to work with CB and another left back (& ideally a goalscorer) for January If we can squeeze a decent loan in then do that So we bid for Laselles and Thomas-Asante but couldn’t afford Ciaran Clarke. Those two things don’t really stack up. You’ve got to think we just drew a line in the sand and Clarke refused to walk across it. We also sold Tymon late on and spent some of that on Junior so would the remainder not pay an OK out of contract CB’s wages for a season? EDIT: Worked it out the difference should have been enough to pay £20K+ per week. Doesn't does it Perhaps it's length of contract that's the issue We have a loan spare A CB on loan till January was surely possible
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Post by lordb on Oct 1, 2023 15:57:50 GMT
No just that we put a bid in near end of window don't know if Newcastle turned it down or the player Given we can't afford to get free agent C Clark atm assume we need to ease the wage bill or sell a player to make signings in January? Baker out on loan would ease that perhaps Hope I'm wrong and we have a pot to work with CB and another left back (& ideally a goalscorer) for January If we can squeeze a decent loan in then do that There's no way mate that stoke don't have money to spend. They didn't even spend all the souttar money in the summer No but how much of that did we need to be FFP compliant last January?
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 1, 2023 16:09:16 GMT
From that free agents list, Steven Caulker could be worth a look.
Played for Wigan last year but left on a free due to not being paid. Didn't realise he'd been capped by England...still only 31 though so if he's still got something left in the tank, it might be worth us inviting him in for a couple of weeks?
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 1, 2023 16:14:07 GMT
I'd definitely have a look at a barely-remembered player from our relegation season Konstantinos Stefylidis as well. He's only 29, been capped 32 times by Greece, and he didn't look too bad from what I remember. Certainly a decent Championship left back.
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Post by lordb on Oct 1, 2023 16:16:44 GMT
From that free agents list, Steven Caulker could be worth a look. Played for Wigan last year but left on a free due to not being paid. Didn't realise he'd been capped by England...still only 31 though so if he's still got something left in the tank, it might be worth us inviting him in for a couple of weeks? Played same game as Shawcross
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Post by wearepremierleague on Oct 1, 2023 16:18:18 GMT
We don’t have a choice to sign a centre back on a free now if Rose is out. We cannot play a game without a substitute centre half on the bench.
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 1, 2023 16:30:50 GMT
We don’t have a choice to sign a centre back on a free now if Rose is out. We cannot play a game without a substitute centre half on the bench. Makes it all the more baffling that we let Connor Taylor leave, who, from what I've seen so far, is a much better defender than Rose.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Oct 1, 2023 17:03:47 GMT
We don’t have a choice to sign a centre back on a free now if Rose is out. We cannot play a game without a substitute centre half on the bench. Makes it all the more baffling that we let Connor Taylor leave, who, from what I've seen so far, is a much better defender than Rose. He was shit like, but Rose is definitely shit too.
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Post by baconburger on Oct 1, 2023 17:03:58 GMT
So we bid for Laselles and Thomas-Asante but couldn’t afford Ciaran Clarke. Those two things don’t really stack up. You’ve got to think we just drew a line in the sand and Clarke refused to walk across it. We also sold Tymon late on and spent some of that on Junior so would the remainder not pay an OK out of contract CB’s wages for a season? EDIT: Worked it out the difference should have been enough to pay £20K+ per week. Doesn't does it Perhaps it's length of contract that's the issue We have a loan spare A CB on loan till January was surely possible Think we simply ran out of time. It looks worse in hindsight because maybe we did some deals that were not essential but I suppose you have to do the deals as they become possible not live in an ideal world where you say I want this and I’m not moving on anything else before it’s sorted. We’re certainly a central striker a CB and a LB light. It’s really no surprise I knew we’d left ourselves with far too much to do when we did no permanent business in January.
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Post by Fred Merger on Oct 1, 2023 17:12:58 GMT
One plus in signing Rose is that he makes Wilmot look half decent😂
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Post by baconburger on Oct 1, 2023 17:13:03 GMT
Makes it all the more baffling that we let Connor Taylor leave, who, from what I've seen so far, is a much better defender than Rose. He was shit like, but Rose is definitely shit too. I’m not sure what standard you’re judging them by. Rose is an adequate championship back up CB and Taylor was a bit short of that. Anyone would think the division is packed with Vidic like CB’s. Reality is barring a select few they all leave quite a bit to be desired, that’s the championship. That’s why I say Wilmot is a good championship CB not because I think he’s going to go on to play internationally and take the prem by storm. The standards some fans try to hold these players to are ridiculous. There really aren’t that many top players in the championship in any position.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 1, 2023 17:20:25 GMT
He was shit like, but Rose is definitely shit too. I’m not sure what standard you’re judging them by. Rose is an adequate championship back up CB and Taylor was a bit short of that. Anyone would think the division is packed with Vidic like CB’s. Reality is barring a select few they all leave quite a bit to be desired, that’s the championship. That’s why I say Wilmot is a good championship CB not because I think he’s going to go on to play internationally and take the prem by storm. The standards some fans try to hold these players to are ridiculous. There really aren’t that many top players in the championship in any position. I've seen a perfect example of that this afternoon. Faes looked absolutely dogshit in the Premier League last season for Leicester. A total liability. He looks like a world beater in this league.
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Post by callas12 on Oct 1, 2023 17:28:35 GMT
I'm still suprised we let Tymon go when we did, especially as left back has been a problem area since he left. Must have just been a case that Neil didn't fancy him, but he'd have surely been a better option than playing Johnson as a makeshift left back. Tymon was always pretty versatile aswell & I'm sure would have been useful to hold onto until January at least.
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Post by baconburger on Oct 1, 2023 17:38:23 GMT
I’m not sure what standard you’re judging them by. Rose is an adequate championship back up CB and Taylor was a bit short of that. Anyone would think the division is packed with Vidic like CB’s. Reality is barring a select few they all leave quite a bit to be desired, that’s the championship. That’s why I say Wilmot is a good championship CB not because I think he’s going to go on to play internationally and take the prem by storm. The standards some fans try to hold these players to are ridiculous. There really aren’t that many top players in the championship in any position. I've seen a perfect example of that this afternoon. Faes looked absolutely dogshit in the Premier League last season for Leicester. A total liability. He looks like a world beater in this league. It’s highly competitive and can be dramatic and gripping but high quality it isn’t. Additional subs and bigger benches has only made matters worse, it’s disheartening in a way because you can be sure if we unearth any gems they won’t be with us long but you have to live in the world as it is.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Oct 1, 2023 17:45:49 GMT
He was shit like, but Rose is definitely shit too. I’m not sure what standard you’re judging them by. Rose is an adequate championship back up CB and Taylor was a bit short of that. Anyone would think the division is packed with Vidic like CB’s. Reality is barring a select few they all leave quite a bit to be desired, that’s the championship. That’s why I say Wilmot is a good championship CB not because I think he’s going to go on to play internationally and take the prem by storm. The standards some fans try to hold these players to are ridiculous. There really aren’t that many top players in the championship in any position. You said it yourself. Rose is an adequate ‘back up’ defender yet he’s been first choice more weeks than not for us. The minimum standard id expect is that a centre half can head the ball, and he can’t.
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