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Post by kerouac on Sept 7, 2023 15:40:05 GMT
Could we see him on the left, with Mmaee more central and Vidigal on the right? Looks exciting on paper... And the Korean behind them with Burger and Pearson now that’s looks exiting No,I reckon the crowd will stay for this combo..😉
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 15:59:21 GMT
And the Korean behind them with Burger and Pearson now that’s looks exiting No,I reckon the crowd will stay for this combo..😉 I’d say Vidigal’s strength is to cut in from the left and finish with his right.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 7, 2023 16:05:26 GMT
Losing Tyrese for nowt next season is poor, but Campbell very likley thought he might be better off going for free next season and talking himself a good deal. Did anyone actually come in for him? Maybe some laws need changing,how much did it cost the club whilst he was learning his trade plus the money we spent on his treatment and wages whilst out injured? yet he can walk away for nothing ,leaving the club out of pocket.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 7, 2023 16:32:48 GMT
Losing Tyrese for nowt next season is poor, but Campbell very likley thought he might be better off going for free next season and talking himself a good deal. Did anyone actually come in for him? Maybe some laws need changing,how much did it cost the club whilst he was learning his trade plus the money we spent on his treatment and wages whilst out injured? yet he can walk away for nothing ,leaving the club out of pocket. Pretty sure that’s been tested to death. You know like by some bloke named Bosman. It’s not like it’s in the laws of the game it’s employment law very few other professions even get compensation for training & development upto the age of 24. If you employ players you’re responsible for treating their injuries they sustained in the course of their work, think yourself lucky they don’t claim compensation on top of that for their injuries. Take your red and white blinkers off once in a while.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 7, 2023 17:48:42 GMT
If Campbells form continues he won't be offered a new contract. And it will look good business not to have offered him a new contract this summer. It will if he is wanting stupid money and a long contract.His current malaise isn't conjusive to either.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 7, 2023 18:03:01 GMT
And it will look good business not to have offered him a new contract this summer. It will if he is wanting stupid money and a long contract.His current malaise isn't conjusive to either. Pretty sure he isn’t in a malaise. He is our only/most likely source of goals bar Vidigal. Some Stoke fans don’t like him, we’ve heard it a million times before. Play Leris he runs about a lot, play Wesley he’s really strong, play Mmaee he looks even more lethargic than Campbell but he’s just arrived from Xanadu.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 7, 2023 18:17:17 GMT
It will if he is wanting stupid money and a long contract.His current malaise isn't conjusive to either. Pretty sure he isn’t in a malaise. He is our only/most likely source of goals bar Vidigal. Some Stoke fans don’t like him, we’ve heard it a million times before. Play Leris he runs about a lot, play Wesley he’s really strong, play Mmaee he looks even more lethargic than Campbell but he’s just arrived from Xanadu. "Like" has nothing to do with it - it's making a call on his actual contribution and to date he simply hasn't lived up to his potential. He is a very good finisher but the fact is is his overall contribution has been poor - he waits for things to drop and doesn't impose himself on games. He certainly doesn't deserve a place on the starting 11 after his last outing and unless he shows up on training he's going to be a bit part player while he runs down his contract.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 7, 2023 18:28:02 GMT
Pretty sure he isn’t in a malaise. He is our only/most likely source of goals bar Vidigal. Some Stoke fans don’t like him, we’ve heard it a million times before. Play Leris he runs about a lot, play Wesley he’s really strong, play Mmaee he looks even more lethargic than Campbell but he’s just arrived from Xanadu. "Like" has nothing to do with it - it's making a call on his actual contribution and to date he simply hasn't lived up to his potential. He is a very good finisher but the fact is is his overall contribution has been poor - he waits for things to drop and doesn't impose himself on games. He certainly doesn't deserve a place on the starting 11 after his last outing and unless he shows up on training he's going to be a bit part player while he runs down his contract. It’s not the way I see it though I don’t disagree he can be a very frustrating player. I think AN will keep sticking him in as a proven goal scorer at this level and the others will have to prove they can deliver output over work rate. I’d agree with that approach, it’s going to be hit and miss as we didn’t sign that forward to hang your hat on. Lots of possibilities, no certainties. We’ve been very lucky/smart with Vidigal so far. I think he’s nailed his place for quite a while once fit. Everything else in the forward line is a bit meh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 18:37:44 GMT
It will if he is wanting stupid money and a long contract.His current malaise isn't conjusive to either. Pretty sure he isn’t in a malaise. He is our only/most likely source of goals bar Vidigal. Some Stoke fans don’t like him, we’ve heard it a million times before. Play Leris he runs about a lot, play Wesley he’s really strong, play Mmaee he looks even more lethargic than Campbell but he’s just arrived from Xanadu. Back slagging Mmaee off I see, absolute weapon.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 7, 2023 18:46:16 GMT
Pretty sure he isn’t in a malaise. He is our only/most likely source of goals bar Vidigal. Some Stoke fans don’t like him, we’ve heard it a million times before. Play Leris he runs about a lot, play Wesley he’s really strong, play Mmaee he looks even more lethargic than Campbell but he’s just arrived from Xanadu. Back slagging Mmaee off I see, absolute weapon. Yeah go cry somewhere else or try to get me banned again. I’m slagging no one Mmaee is no workhorse just like Campbell, who by the way should have tested the keeper vs Preston at the very least.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 19:01:04 GMT
Back slagging Mmaee off I see, absolute weapon. Yeah go cry somewhere else or try to get me banned again. I’m slagging no one Mmaee is no workhorse just like Campbell, who by the way should have tested the keeper vs Preston at the very least. Nobody tried to get you banned, you disappeared when you were found out for what you are.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 7, 2023 19:05:38 GMT
Yeah go cry somewhere else or try to get me banned again. I’m slagging no one Mmaee is no workhorse just like Campbell, who by the way should have tested the keeper vs Preston at the very least. Nobody tried to get you banned, you disappeared when you were found out for what you are. No I didn’t disappear my account was suspended because I possibly over stepped in responding to little girls like you. I’ve never deleted an account and never voluntarily stopped posting. Maybe you could step up and post more content and less about what other people shouldn’t post.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 19:07:03 GMT
Nobody tried to get you banned, you disappeared when you were found out for what you are. No I didn’t disappear my account was suspended because I possibly over stepped in responding to little girls like you. I’ve never deleted an account and never voluntarily stopped posting. Maybe you could step up and post more content and less about what other people shouldn’t post. Hilarious 🤣
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Post by baconburger on Sept 7, 2023 19:13:33 GMT
No I didn’t disappear my account was suspended because I possibly over stepped in responding to little girls like you. I’ve never deleted an account and never voluntarily stopped posting. Maybe you could step up and post more content and less about what other people shouldn’t post. Hilarious 🤣 You aren’t give your mates in admin a toot, they obviously don’t like you getting a bit of your own.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 8, 2023 11:56:26 GMT
I would assume Haksabanovic will play more on the right? Whenever I've seen him, which isn't often he's been on the left. FullerMagic's graph from a few pages back showed that at Kazan he actually operated more as a CAM, and though he can also play as a left attacking forward, it seems like a ball-winning No 10 might be his best position. He is very good on the press, creates chances, and is strong against opposition challenges. We've yet to really see what Bae can do short of a brief cameo against Preston, but Vidigal has the left sewn up, Campbell and Léris will have the right covered, so you have two excellent attacking midfielders vying for that position in front of Burger and Pearson. Longer term, I'm not sure where that leaves DJ.
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Post by lordb on Sept 8, 2023 12:37:09 GMT
Whenever I've seen him, which isn't often he's been on the left. FullerMagic's graph from a few pages back showed that at Kazan he actually operated more as a CAM, and though he can also play as a left attacking forward, it seems like a ball-winning No 10 might be his best position. He is very good on the press, creates chances, and is strong against opposition challenges. We've yet to really see what Bae can do short of a brief cameo against Preston, but Vidigal has the left sewn up, Campbell and Léris will have the right covered, so you have two excellent attacking midfielders vying for that position in front of Burger and Pearson. Longer term, I'm not sure where that leaves DJ. Sounds good re Haksabanovic but if that's the case then we don't have an an actual right winger
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 12:49:48 GMT
FullerMagic's graph from a few pages back showed that at Kazan he actually operated more as a CAM, and though he can also play as a left attacking forward, it seems like a ball-winning No 10 might be his best position. He is very good on the press, creates chances, and is strong against opposition challenges. We've yet to really see what Bae can do short of a brief cameo against Preston, but Vidigal has the left sewn up, Campbell and Léris will have the right covered, so you have two excellent attacking midfielders vying for that position in front of Burger and Pearson. Longer term, I'm not sure where that leaves DJ. Sounds good re Haksabanovic but if that's the case then we don't have an an actual right winger As he says he expects Campbell and Leris to battle it out for the wide right attacking role we don’t really play with chalk on the boots type wingers do we. That isn’t how I’d describe Vidigal on the left either.
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Post by stantheman on Sept 8, 2023 12:56:11 GMT
You aren’t give your mates in admin a toot, they obviously don’t like you getting a bit of your own. You are 100% related to BO
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 12:56:38 GMT
Whenever I've seen him, which isn't often he's been on the left. FullerMagic's graph from a few pages back showed that at Kazan he actually operated more as a CAM, and though he can also play as a left attacking forward, it seems like a ball-winning No 10 might be his best position. He is very good on the press, creates chances, and is strong against opposition challenges. We've yet to really see what Bae can do short of a brief cameo against Preston, but Vidigal has the left sewn up, Campbell and Léris will have the right covered, so you have two excellent attacking midfielders vying for that position in front of Burger and Pearson. Longer term, I'm not sure where that leaves DJ. There isn’t really a longer term with this squad by the time loans, out of contracts and signings who haven’t made the grade need replacement it will be a very busy Summer again next season. By when you’d hope we have a few more almost nailed on starters to add to than we had at the start of the window just gone.
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Post by stantheman on Sept 8, 2023 12:56:51 GMT
You aren’t give your mates in admin a toot, they obviously don’t like you getting a bit of your own.
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Post by lordb on Sept 8, 2023 13:02:38 GMT
Sounds good re Haksabanovic but if that's the case then we don't have an an actual right winger As he says he expects Campbell and Leris to battle it out for the wide right attacking role we don’t really play with chalk on the boots type wingers do we. That isn’t how I’d describe Vidigal on the left either. Videgal can beat a man with pace and trickery, that's exactly what we need our wide players to do in games like last week That's why we signed Chiqinho Leris will be very useful in other types of games, especially if Hoever finds form and Campbell does have match winning moments but without a genuine winger on both sides (I think Videgal is) we will continue to have games like last week The good news is Joon Ho looks like he can unlock a team from inside forward positions That leaves Haksabanovic, he looks tricksy which is why thought he would play wide
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 13:11:24 GMT
As he says he expects Campbell and Leris to battle it out for the wide right attacking role we don’t really play with chalk on the boots type wingers do we. That isn’t how I’d describe Vidigal on the left either. Videgal can beat a man with pace and trickery, that's exactly what we need our wide players to do in games like last week That's why we signed Chiqinho Leris will be very useful in other types of games, especially if Hoever finds form and Campbell does have match winning moments but without a genuine winger on both sides (I think Videgal is) we will continue to have games like last week The good news is Joon Ho looks like he can unlock a team from inside forward positions That leaves Haksabanovic, he looks tricksy which is why thought he would play wide I’ve no idea what Haksabanovic is like I don’t really watch clips of players just wait to see them in our setup. People were raving about Leris but I think he’s looked pretty poor. I hope and believe AN will keep faith with Campbell for that role unless someone else provides a compelling case. Despite the fact that if we get one goal we often seem to get a few Stoke 0 is something that still happens far too often to my mind and should be the prime focus of AN’s attention to remedy.
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Post by lordb on Sept 8, 2023 13:14:41 GMT
Videgal can beat a man with pace and trickery, that's exactly what we need our wide players to do in games like last week That's why we signed Chiqinho Leris will be very useful in other types of games, especially if Hoever finds form and Campbell does have match winning moments but without a genuine winger on both sides (I think Videgal is) we will continue to have games like last week The good news is Joon Ho looks like he can unlock a team from inside forward positions That leaves Haksabanovic, he looks tricksy which is why thought he would play wide I’ve no idea what Haksabanovic is like I don’t really watch clips of players just wait to see them in our setup. People were raving about Leris but I think he’s looked pretty poor. I hope and believe AN will keep faith with Campbell for that role unless someone else provides a compelling case. Despite the fact that if we get one goal we often seem to get a few Stoke 0 is something that still happens far too often to my mind and should be the prime focus of AN’s attention to remedy. Sometimes Campbell is the remedy other timrs(too often?) he most definitely isn't Leris has had 2 decent games and one anonymous one don't see him making or scoring many though
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 8, 2023 13:17:08 GMT
Has Sead ever played has a No. 9?
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 13:20:54 GMT
I’ve no idea what Haksabanovic is like I don’t really watch clips of players just wait to see them in our setup. People were raving about Leris but I think he’s looked pretty poor. I hope and believe AN will keep faith with Campbell for that role unless someone else provides a compelling case. Despite the fact that if we get one goal we often seem to get a few Stoke 0 is something that still happens far too often to my mind and should be the prime focus of AN’s attention to remedy. Sometimes Campbell is the remedy other timrs(too often?) he most definitely isn't Leris has had 2 decent games and one anonymous one don't see him making or scoring many though Great last sentence it’s really not what you want to hear about one of your front 3. Particularly if you’ve already decided Wesley doesn’t look like he’ll score many at all. Kind of puts all the emphasis on one player and an AM which is something AN doesn’t even seem to employ. Perhaps he’s about to change or perhaps they’ll be deployed as wide forwards.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 8, 2023 14:22:28 GMT
"Like" has nothing to do with it - it's making a call on his actual contribution and to date he simply hasn't lived up to his potential. He is a very good finisher but the fact is is his overall contribution has been poor - he waits for things to drop and doesn't impose himself on games. He certainly doesn't deserve a place on the starting 11 after his last outing and unless he shows up on training he's going to be a bit part player while he runs down his contract. It’s not the way I see it though I don’t disagree he can be a very frustrating player. I think AN will keep sticking him in as a proven goal scorer at this level and the others will have to prove they can deliver output over work rate. I’d agree with that approach, it’s going to be hit and miss as we didn’t sign that forward to hang your hat on. Lots of possibilities, no certainties. We’ve been very lucky/smart with Vidigal so far. I think he’s nailed his place for quite a while once fit. Everything else in the forward line is a bit meh. Proven goal scorer at this level? The most he's got in a season is 9 - which really isn't good enough for your supposed main source of goals. The new lads may not have "proven' themselves at this level but Campbell hadn't done enough to make his place secure in the starting 11 either and on his last performance really deserves to be dropped. I've nothing against Campbell and I hope he finally realises his potential but he's got no more right to a position in the starting 11 than any of the other forwards on our books and he's got as much to prove as anyone.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Sept 8, 2023 14:37:15 GMT
It’s not the way I see it though I don’t disagree he can be a very frustrating player. I think AN will keep sticking him in as a proven goal scorer at this level and the others will have to prove they can deliver output over work rate. I’d agree with that approach, it’s going to be hit and miss as we didn’t sign that forward to hang your hat on. Lots of possibilities, no certainties. We’ve been very lucky/smart with Vidigal so far. I think he’s nailed his place for quite a while once fit. Everything else in the forward line is a bit meh. Proven goal scorer at this level? The most he's got in a season is 9 - which really isn't good enough for your supposed main source of goals. The new lads may not have "proven' themselves at this level but Campbell hadn't done enough to make his place secure in the starting 11 either and on his last performance really deserves to be dropped. I've nothing against Campbell and I hope he finally realises his potential but he's got no more right to a position in the starting 11 than any of the other forwards on our books and he's got as much to prove as anyone. Well, Tyrese will be 24 in December, long past the time when ‘he needs to prove himself’. Suggest that if he hasn’t ‘proved himself’ by now, he never will.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 8, 2023 14:58:47 GMT
Proven goal scorer at this level? The most he's got in a season is 9 - which really isn't good enough for your supposed main source of goals. The new lads may not have "proven' themselves at this level but Campbell hadn't done enough to make his place secure in the starting 11 either and on his last performance really deserves to be dropped. I've nothing against Campbell and I hope he finally realises his potential but he's got no more right to a position in the starting 11 than any of the other forwards on our books and he's got as much to prove as anyone. Well, Tyrese will be 24 in December, long past the time when ‘he needs to prove himself’. Suggest that if he hasn’t ‘proved himself’ by now, he never will. Exactly mate. He does have a really great match winning performance in him, however these are extremely rare. Some talk of him as though he is a kid still learning his trade when in reality he should be coming into his best years now. Maybe he just isn't as good as we first thought he would be unfortunately.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 15:33:55 GMT
It’s not the way I see it though I don’t disagree he can be a very frustrating player. I think AN will keep sticking him in as a proven goal scorer at this level and the others will have to prove they can deliver output over work rate. I’d agree with that approach, it’s going to be hit and miss as we didn’t sign that forward to hang your hat on. Lots of possibilities, no certainties. We’ve been very lucky/smart with Vidigal so far. I think he’s nailed his place for quite a while once fit. Everything else in the forward line is a bit meh. Proven goal scorer at this level? The most he's got in a season is 9 - which really isn't good enough for your supposed main source of goals. The new lads may not have "proven' themselves at this level but Campbell hadn't done enough to make his place secure in the starting 11 either and on his last performance really deserves to be dropped. I've nothing against Campbell and I hope he finally realises his potential but he's got no more right to a position in the starting 11 than any of the other forwards on our books and he's got as much to prove as anyone. Given the choice I'd start the player I know can and will score at this level. The other forwards will get chances to stake a claim for the shirt from the bench. It's common sense really and in no way says that some or all of the others won't surpass him. Of his last performance it wasn't anything to write home about but he was still our most likely source of a goal in that game. At the moment we're playing a front 3, Vidigal is injured I'd certainly prefer to have one player in there that has scored goals at this level. I've no idea what his (AN's) plans are going forward. He seems to have signed a number of players who people say their best position is AM/10 but they've also featured as wide forwards. Will he move to 4231 and play one of them in that position I've haven't got a clue. Despite scoring a 4 & a 6 we don't look like a team with a lot of goals in us, proven by the all to often occurrence of Stoke 0 (3 times out of 5 already this season)
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 9, 2023 11:06:42 GMT
Proven goal scorer at this level? The most he's got in a season is 9 - which really isn't good enough for your supposed main source of goals. The new lads may not have "proven' themselves at this level but Campbell hadn't done enough to make his place secure in the starting 11 either and on his last performance really deserves to be dropped. I've nothing against Campbell and I hope he finally realises his potential but he's got no more right to a position in the starting 11 than any of the other forwards on our books and he's got as much to prove as anyone. Given the choice I'd start the player I know can and will score at this level. The other forwards will get chances to stake a claim for the shirt from the bench. It's common sense really and in no way says that some or all of the others won't surpass him. Of his last performance it wasn't anything to write home about but he was still our most likely source of a goal in that game. At the moment we're playing a front 3, Vidigal is injured I'd certainly prefer to have one player in there that has scored goals at this level. I've no idea what his (AN's) plans are going forward. He seems to have signed a number of players who people say their best position is AM/10 but they've also featured as wide forwards. Will he move to 4231 and play one of them in that position I've haven't got a clue. Despite scoring a 4 & a 6 we don't look like a team with a lot of goals in us, proven by the all to often occurrence of Stoke 0 (3 times out of 5 already this season) A "proven" goalscorer is one who is going to get you 15+ in a season. Campbell hasn't even got into double figures - if anything his proven he isn't up to being our main source of goals. The only reason to stick with Campbell is the hope that he will finally live up to his early promise - there is no actual evidence to stake his claim as an automatic starter. It's just wishful thinking.
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