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Post by kustokie on Aug 26, 2023 18:38:31 GMT
Of course I have, and I played at a very decent level of football. As I said, I don’t get the hype, is that a bit difficult for you to understand? Perhaps the North West Counties league should be on our screens? More pertinent did you watch any of the matches or did you just assume they wouldn't keep you entertained? Or are you saying that a world cup shouldn't be broadcast? That women's sport such as athletics or tennis shouldn't be watched because they are not the same standard as men? Half the world are women and the standard of women's football is improving. The number of shocks and the fact that the African and South American teams were very good made for an entertaining tournament. For me it was far more entertaining than the Premier League when you know before a ball is kicked that after 40 matches one of at most five teams will be Champions. Well said
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 26, 2023 18:51:41 GMT
Another thread about women’s football where men who don’t care about women’s football log on to a thread about women’s football to tell us they don’t care about women’s football…..
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Post by noustie on Aug 27, 2023 17:43:25 GMT
I'll be honest I've managed at most a continuous half of Premier league football so far this season without switching off, falling asleep or walking off.
I absolutely can't be arsed with the SPL as the quality in the last 30 years has declined beyond recognition, I know the top 2 before a balls kicked and who'll win the equivalent of a coin toss of a competition by Christmas.
I've watched women's Internationals for 15 years, the quality has improved beyond all recognition and at the last 16 of the world cup you could make a case for 8 teams winning it. Pretty much every game engrossed me and the raw emotion of the two peno shootouts was obscene!
I watched Spain with Bonmati,Jenni Hermoso and Putellas against Scotland play some of the most technically gifted football I've ever seen. Including Caroline Weir, whose left foot could open a tin of beans, they'd get hammered v a tier 9 bloke's side purely by biology because if these blokes were even half as talented they wouldn't be plodding around the 9th tier of football.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 27, 2023 18:33:19 GMT
You have an overactive imagination. I don’t get the hype over women’s football. That’s it- I watched some of the World Cup and to be honest didn’t find anything exciting about it at all. Would you like me to lie and say “wow!” As I said, each to their own, because a lot of people like it. My opinion is it’s massively overrated and if the public in general thought differently, a lot of women’s teams would be regularly playing in front of 4 figure crowds; the bigger teams do- the likes of Stoke don’t. Let me explain what the excitement was about shall I…..England Women created a real interest, quite clearly not from you or your likes, from the majority of football loving people. They are a breath of fresh air for the game, they have a superb coach and like it or not Women’s football is well and truly here to stay. You don’t understand the excitement fair enough, but 33 million people in uk who watched the final would suggest that hype is probably a poor description. More like excellent is a more apt description and it doesn’t matter that the standard falls short of men’s high level football. If they have created such a level of interest, no doubt women’s football teams will be playing to five figure crowds every week won’t they?
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Post by thehoof on Aug 27, 2023 18:42:38 GMT
Another thread about women’s football where men who don’t care about women’s football log on to a thread about women’s football to tell us they don’t care about women’s football….. I thought that this board was for Stoke City? If you are so interested in women’s football go and create a site, where you can debate it to your hearts content. It appears that so long as everyone is quite prepared to say how wonderful women’s football is, that’s okay. If you actually ask why all the hype, what it actually has done to deserve such coverage ( other than the fact that England have a good international team), no one can actually give an answer. For goodness sake don’t dare question or have an opinion that differs from our moral guardians.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 27, 2023 18:49:59 GMT
Another thread about women’s football where men who don’t care about women’s football log on to a thread about women’s football to tell us they don’t care about women’s football….. I thought that this board was for Stoke City? If you are so interested in women’s football go and create a site, where you can debate it to your hearts content. It appears that so long as everyone is quite prepared to say how wonderful women’s football is, that’s okay. If you actually ask why all the hype, what it actually has done to deserve such coverage ( other than the fact that England have a good international team), no one can actually give an answer. For goodness sake don’t dare question or have an opinion that differs from our moral guardians. You thought wrong then. Have you not figured out after all this time that unlike some other teams boards we don’t separate Stoke City chat with general football chat?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 27, 2023 19:21:14 GMT
All I'll say is...England lose a Women's World Cup Final and I'm over before the adverts start. If it was the men, I'm in a mood for days.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 27, 2023 20:28:49 GMT
I don’t get the hype around the women’s game. The standard is not that which you would see in the 9th grade of English football. Each to their own. And? Nobody is saying it is. Have you never watched non-league or junior football? And if you have, do you stand there thinking "this is nowhere near as good as the Premier League"? Yes I watch non league football every week and I often think fuck this is a lot better than the premier league No diving cheating over paid tossers And of course no corrupt VAR
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Post by rowbeartoe on Aug 28, 2023 0:36:18 GMT
All I'll say is...England lose a Women's World Cup Final and I'm over before the adverts start. If it was the men, I'm in a mood for days. I think that's fine. There are probably women that don't feel anything about football unless it's the women's team which they've recently grown an affinity for.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 28, 2023 6:50:47 GMT
Let me explain what the excitement was about shall I…..England Women created a real interest, quite clearly not from you or your likes, from the majority of football loving people. They are a breath of fresh air for the game, they have a superb coach and like it or not Women’s football is well and truly here to stay. You don’t understand the excitement fair enough, but 33 million people in uk who watched the final would suggest that hype is probably a poor description. More like excellent is a more apt description and it doesn’t matter that the standard falls short of men’s high level football. If they have created such a level of interest, no doubt women’s football teams will be playing to five figure crowds every week won’t they? The game and interest is evolving and following the Lioness's World Cup success the average attendance at WSL games is expected to leap dramatically. Last season, following their success at the Euros, attended at the games jumped by 173% to over 5000 or similar to EFL2. A similar increase this season will push average attendance close to 10,000 which is the average for EFL1. Do you also think that EFL 1&2 are "over-hyped".
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 28, 2023 7:21:02 GMT
If they have created such a level of interest, no doubt women’s football teams will be playing to five figure crowds every week won’t they? The game and interest is evolving and following the Lioness's World Cup success the average attendance at WSL games is expected to leap dramatically. Last season, following their success at the Euros, attended at the games jumped by 173% to over 5000 or similar to EFL2. A similar increase this season will push average attendance close to 10,000 which is the average for EFL1. Do you also think that EFL 1&2 are "over-hyped". Just as a matter of interest what are the admission prices compared to league one / two
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Post by thehoof on Aug 28, 2023 11:58:08 GMT
I thought that this board was for Stoke City? If you are so interested in women’s football go and create a site, where you can debate it to your hearts content. It appears that so long as everyone is quite prepared to say how wonderful women’s football is, that’s okay. If you actually ask why all the hype, what it actually has done to deserve such coverage ( other than the fact that England have a good international team), no one can actually give an answer. For goodness sake don’t dare question or have an opinion that differs from our moral guardians. You thought wrong then. Have you not figured out after all this time that unlike some other teams boards we don’t separate Stoke City chat with general football chat? What I didn’t expect was that a simple statement “I don’t get the hype associated with women’s football, each to their own”,, would bring the sanctimonious, all knowing, wet wipe brigade out in such force, telling you what you can and shouldn’t think. There again, perhaps I’m not that surprised.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 28, 2023 12:04:15 GMT
If they have created such a level of interest, no doubt women’s football teams will be playing to five figure crowds every week won’t they? The game and interest is evolving and following the Lioness's World Cup success the average attendance at WSL games is expected to leap dramatically. Last season, following their success at the Euros, attended at the games jumped by 173% to over 5000 or similar to EFL2. A similar increase this season will push average attendance close to 10,000 which is the average for EFL1. Do you also think that EFL 1&2 are "over-hyped". How many teams and which teams- what is our ladies teams average attendance- or are you talking about the larger ladies teams- Chelsea, Arsenal, Utd? If you are that is NOT representative of the women’s football in general. There was another Ladies International team that made the World Cup Final this year, before losing to the best team in the world, and has far greater participation at grass roots level than Women’s football. Why was the exposure for that at not the same level?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 28, 2023 12:14:16 GMT
You thought wrong then. Have you not figured out after all this time that unlike some other teams boards we don’t separate Stoke City chat with general football chat? What I didn’t expect was that a simple statement “I don’t get the hype associated with women’s football, each to their own”,, would bring the sanctimonious, all knowing, wet wipe brigade out in such force, telling you what you can and shouldn’t think. There again, perhaps I’m not that surprised. You responded to me, not the other way round. I was merely correcting your inaccurate comment about this board being purely for Stoke City chat as clearly it isn't. Happy to be of service....................
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Aug 28, 2023 12:28:13 GMT
I don’t get the hype around the women’s game. The standard is not that which you would see in the 9th grade of English football. Each to their own. I don’t give a shit about women’s football either. I also don’t give a shit about basketball. I don’t go out of my way to tell people how much I don’t give a shit about basketball. But a lot of people go out of their way to tell people how much they don’t give a shit about women’s football. Putting “each to their own” at the end of your post feels like a bit of a disingenuous way to legitimise what’s essentially a tired, unoriginal dig at women’s football that the people who actually do give a shit have heard a thousand times before and can do without. I really don't get why people feel the need to compare it to men's football all the time. Yes, it probably is a worse standard than quite low levels of men's non league football and North West Counties League teams would probably beat them. That's down to the differences between male and female biology, men have such an advantage that pretty much any man who's able to compete in a sport at a decent level will beat even the very best women. The same is also true of much more established women's sports like athletics, Olympic sports and tennis but nobody constantly complains about how much faster the male athletes are or how the man ranked 900 in the world would probably thrash the woman ranked world number 1 in tennis etc. The biological differences are accepted and the different events are treated separately on their own merits with their own histories, records and yardstick achievements and kept separate from what happens in the men's events. One thing that possibly doesn't help is the media sometimes trying to link men's and women's football and saying things like 'this will be the first World Cup win since 1966'. I get what they're trying to do in trying to inflate the importance of women's football and piggy back off the men's game to give it a leg up. But in doing so I think it creates a bit of resentment and pushback and can encourage negative comparisons between the two competitions. Women's football needs to create its own records and history and stand on its own two feet. It would have been the first England women's team to win the World Cup, not the first win since 1966. What the men have or haven't achieved is irrelevant, they have their own competition.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 28, 2023 14:51:55 GMT
The game and interest is evolving and following the Lioness's World Cup success the average attendance at WSL games is expected to leap dramatically. Last season, following their success at the Euros, attended at the games jumped by 173% to over 5000 or similar to EFL2. A similar increase this season will push average attendance close to 10,000 which is the average for EFL1. Do you also think that EFL 1&2 are "over-hyped". Just as a matter of interest what are the admission prices compared to league one / two Just looked at some of season ticket prices for the forthcoming season As I’m interested for comparison purposes West Ham the most expensive the vip ticket adult is £90 Liverpool £70 plus one free child So any comparison with league one and two crowds is pretty irrelevant As if these clubs were able to subsidise their support to that extent than their crowds would probably be considerably higher still
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 28, 2023 15:34:08 GMT
The game and interest is evolving and following the Lioness's World Cup success the average attendance at WSL games is expected to leap dramatically. Last season, following their success at the Euros, attended at the games jumped by 173% to over 5000 or similar to EFL2. A similar increase this season will push average attendance close to 10,000 which is the average for EFL1. Do you also think that EFL 1&2 are "over-hyped". How many teams and which teams- what is our ladies teams average attendance- or are you talking about the larger ladies teams- Chelsea, Arsenal, Utd? If you are that is NOT representative of the women’s football in general. There was another Ladies International team that made the World Cup Final this year, before losing to the best team in the world, and has far greater participation at grass roots level than Women’s football. Why was the exposure for that at not the same level? Let’s just agree to disagree. You’ve obviously got a bee under your bonnet about women’s football whilst most other people accept it for what is as a successful emerging sport. For clarity I was quoting the increase in the average attendance of WSL and comparing it to EFL average attendances.
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Post by musik on Aug 28, 2023 16:10:23 GMT
Sweden need a good start in the Nations League to be at #1 until the next evaluation. September the 22nd. Against Spain.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 28, 2023 19:09:09 GMT
What I didn’t expect was that a simple statement “I don’t get the hype associated with women’s football, each to their own”,, would bring the sanctimonious, all knowing, wet wipe brigade out in such force, telling you what you can and shouldn’t think. There again, perhaps I’m not that surprised. You responded to me, not the other way round. I was merely correcting your inaccurate comment about this board being purely for Stoke City chat as clearly it isn't. Happy to be of service.................... Are you for real? Below is your response to my original statement that I don’t get the hype over women’s football… each to their own. “Another thread about women’s football where men who don’t care about women’s football log on to a thread about women’s football to tell us they don’t care about women’s football”. You then do your usual backtracking- typical of most of your posts.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 28, 2023 21:01:00 GMT
You responded to me, not the other way round. I was merely correcting your inaccurate comment about this board being purely for Stoke City chat as clearly it isn't. Happy to be of service.................... Are you for real? Below is your response to my original statement that I don’t get the hype over women’s football… each to their own. “Another thread about women’s football where men who don’t care about women’s football log on to a thread about women’s football to tell us they don’t care about women’s football”. You then do your usual backtracking- typical of most of your posts. Just ignore them then. I’m more than happy to ignore yours…….
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Post by thehoof on Aug 29, 2023 7:30:02 GMT
The first sensible thing you’ve ever said. Clearly you ignored it, hence why you responded. 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by noustie on Aug 29, 2023 9:20:50 GMT
This gives an interesting insight globally of how far the women's game has come in such a short period of time and the barriers they've had historically: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_of_women%27s_association_footballDuring the 1910s, women's football in the UK saw a significant surge in growth which would continue past the end of World War I and into the 1920s. During this period, women's matches often attracted thousands of spectators, with the top teams, such as Dick, Kerr Ladies F.C., attracting audiences in the tens of thousands. Many of these matches were played for charity, often raising thousands of pounds, and the game was growing to the point where interest rivaled that of men's games.[25]
However, The Football Association viewed the growth and success of women's football with distrust and increasingly saw it as a rival competitor to men's profits, particularly as the FA had announced a significant expansion of the men's English Football League in 1920. As well, the FA had little control over the finances of women's matches and was opposed to the charity matches that had been played in support of workers taking strike actions, such as during the Miners' Federation of Great Britain lockout.[26] As a result, on 5 December 1921, the FA imposed a ban on women's football, stating that "the game of football is quite unsuitable for females and should not be encouraged" and alleging that "an excessive proportion of the receipts are absorbed in expenses and an inadequate percentage devoted to charitable objects."[27] When women's teams attempted to continue to organise matches on non-football grounds, such as on cricket or rugby grounds, the FA further pressured the organisations in charge of those grounds to deny women permission.[28] The ban was only lifted in 1971 barely a decade before I was born ffs - seems absolutely mental looking back!
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Post by independent on Aug 29, 2023 22:04:55 GMT
i remember Pele and Beckenbaur and the New York Cosmos introducing "Soccer" to America in the 1970s. Amazing how well the USA Women's team has done in the intervening period without any subsidisation from anyone.
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