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Post by xchpotter on Jul 28, 2023 16:57:44 GMT
About time too. At the last World Cup the extra time properly reflected the time wasted and then suddenly it lapsed back to the usual gamesmanship afterwards. Yes teams will still go to all lengths to disrupt momentum, but at least there is more chance of them paying for it now.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jul 28, 2023 17:11:32 GMT
This is just treating the symptoms not the cause. Better refereeing could cut down on a lot of the breaks in play without having to resort to massive amounts of stoppage time. It strikes me that the governing bodies of football over the last few years have had the attitude that technical correctness is more important than fan enjoyment, first with the marginal VAR offside calls and now this. They’re forgetting that it’s for the fans first and foremost and lengthy VAR breaks and endless stoppage time damage the fan experience. Exactly. Refs are far too weak when it comes to time wasting and dissent (another annoyance of mine). Give a player a warning the first time they're timewasting, then book them if it happens a second time, then send them off if it happens a third time. Players/teams would soon stop deliberately time wasting which means no need for 10+ minutes of time added on and we, the fans, get to see the ball in play far more which is what we're paying to see. Agreed but why give them a warning? If time wasting is a bookable offence then book them the first time they do it. Goal celebrations are getting longer and longer. Give them say 45 seconds then start booking them or allow the other team to kick off if the goal scoring team are not ready. Standing in front of the ball at a free kick and not retreating immediately should be an immediate bookable offence. Stop referees drawing that circle round the ball and pacing the ten yards at free kicks (unless it is just outside the penalty area). The referee at Blackpool last season was doing that for every free kick Stoke got in Blackpool’s half (even near the half way line) and it played right into Blackpool’s hand and it did my nut in. Players going down injured all the time is the worst thing that has happened and it’s getting a lot worse. This is a trickier one to stop but as a very minimum teams should never kick the ball out when an opposition player is down and a team should never ever ever ever throw the ball back to the opposition. Ever.
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 28, 2023 17:12:33 GMT
Does anyone actually want this? Me. I don't want to watch a bunch of professional athletes deliberately dawdling about and be lauded for their game management. I can watch my colleagues do fuck all during the week without paying good money to watch some other cunts do it at the weekend.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 28, 2023 17:36:49 GMT
Multi-Ball and penalising teams that waste time through cautions and time added on will do this. There will likely be games at the start of the season with masses of time added on that the opposition score in, or yellow cards etc thus rendering the entertainment sapping "Game Management" as useless. This will then make sure that people are as prompt as possible when restarting after stoppages and in turn speed up the game. It's a 90 minute match, it should be somewhere close to that, thats not unreasonable. Rather than timewasting, it's often more about frustrating the opposition and preventing them from gaining momentum, or to allow defenders to get into position for a setpiece. Alot of stuff disappeared from the game, for example, what happened to booking players who stand in front of the ball when defending a free kick. Every bugger does it to stop quick free kicks. It means getting a free kick often gives no advantage. Refs just stopped implementing cautions for this.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Jul 28, 2023 17:41:13 GMT
I’d also give 45 seconds to celebrate a goal after that the opposition should be able to kick off.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 28, 2023 17:44:22 GMT
I’d also give 45 seconds to celebrate a goal after that the opposition should be able to kick off. Goal celebrations have gone mental. About 2 mins these days. Yep let them kick off after an automatic 45 secs from when the goal goes in, they will soon organise themselves then.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 28, 2023 18:14:41 GMT
Yes, refs have literally been making up added time for too long. But why? 10 mins added time is way too long. Making it up seems better than this. The time wasting seems to creep up every year. I'd like to see yellow cards for strolling to a throw in but while most "cramps" are fake, it would be shitty to card someone for being actually injured so what do we do about those?
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 29, 2023 6:08:20 GMT
But why? 10 mins added time is way too long. Making it up seems better than this. The time wasting seems to creep up every year. I'd like to see yellow cards for strolling to a throw in but while most "cramps" are fake, it would be shitty to card someone for being actually injured so what do we do about those? Play on and let them get treated in play
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Post by pretzel on Jul 29, 2023 7:41:13 GMT
The time wasting seems to creep up every year. I'd like to see yellow cards for strolling to a throw in but while most "cramps" are fake, it would be shitty to card someone for being actually injured so what do we do about those? Play on and let them get treated in play Favourite bugbear of mine is this. I hate these prolonged delays where a player gets treated on the pitch then sprints back on as soon as they're signalled to rejoin the action. If a player's down, stopping proceedings for say four minutes, make him wait that time to rejoin the game. Take them off the pitch for treatment wherever possible and book any player who rolls or crawls back onto the pitch from beyond a line just to stop the game.
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Post by 4372stokie on Jul 29, 2023 9:32:51 GMT
I’m afraid timewasting is in the eye of the beholder. It’s part and parcel of the fabric of the game. One fans time wasting is the opposite fans smirk 😊 Rules and the cold implementation of them will ultimately just make the game robotic and uninteresting. A more simple solution is to simply stop the clock every time a goal is scored until re KO, every time a substitution is made and every time the trainer is on. Everything else is just part of football and how it’s played.
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Post by march4 on Jul 29, 2023 11:40:41 GMT
As a supporter / viewer / customer I am far more interested in getting rid of boring and frustrating down time / stoppages than I am in ‘fairness of time available’. At Blackpool last season it was taking a minute or more for the home side to take their free kicks once they were in the lead. If we ever introduce exact timings / stopping the clock it’s going to normalise these lengthy stoppages and make it worse. The authorities need to be bring in rules that speed up and shorten games, not lengthen them. A big clock, visible to everyone in the ground and controlled by a dedicated umpire is the obvious solution. At the instant the clock ticks down to zero, a klaxon sounds and the game ends (unless there is a penalty). That is a fair, transparent system that allows players to dawdle all they want without affecting the time the ball is in actual play.
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Post by headsgoup on Jul 29, 2023 17:05:39 GMT
Just pause the clock. How hard is that to do? 6 second rule for goalkeepers: enforce it. Make one for throw ins as well. That's how you get "this break in play is brought to you by Mcdonalds, now here's a word from our sponsors..."
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2023 20:04:57 GMT
The added time today was a joke. They can’t do this.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 29, 2023 20:16:39 GMT
As a supporter / viewer / customer I am far more interested in getting rid of boring and frustrating down time / stoppages than I am in ‘fairness of time available’. At Blackpool last season it was taking a minute or more for the home side to take their free kicks once they were in the lead. If we ever introduce exact timings / stopping the clock it’s going to normalise these lengthy stoppages and make it worse. The authorities need to be bring in rules that speed up and shorten games, not lengthen them. Multi-Ball and penalising teams that waste time through cautions and time added on will do this. There will likely be games at the start of the season with masses of time added on that the opposition score in, or yellow cards etc thus rendering the entertainment sapping "Game Management" as useless. This will then make sure that people are as prompt as possible when restarting after stoppages and in turn speed up the game. It's a 90 minute match, it should be somewhere close to that, thats not unreasonable. The ball has never been, and was never meant to be, in play for anything close to 90 minutes.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 30, 2023 7:10:37 GMT
The added time today was a joke. They can’t do this. Why not? If we needed one goal for promotion in the last game of the season and we should get 6-7 minutes added on because the other team “managed the game” like West Brom at home last season. Then my god we would riot if the board went up with 3 minutes.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 30, 2023 7:57:21 GMT
As a supporter / viewer / customer I am far more interested in getting rid of boring and frustrating down time / stoppages than I am in ‘fairness of time available’. At Blackpool last season it was taking a minute or more for the home side to take their free kicks once they were in the lead. If we ever introduce exact timings / stopping the clock it’s going to normalise these lengthy stoppages and make it worse. The authorities need to be bring in rules that speed up and shorten games, not lengthen them. A big clock, visible to everyone in the ground and controlled by a dedicated umpire is the obvious solution. At the instant the clock ticks down to zero, a klaxon sounds and the game ends (unless there is a penalty). That is a fair, transparent system that allows players to dawdle all they want without affecting the time the ball is in actual play. I agree that a visible clock which is stopped at appropriate times is a good idea and works well in rugby. But I'd still want players to be booked by the ref for deliberate time wasting. Players who walk off with the ball when the ref awards a free kick or a throw in to their opponents should get a yellow card as should players who crawl back onto the pitch when claiming to be injured as should players who spend 2 minutes celebrating a goal. As others have said, the ref should allow the other team to kick off after 45 seconds even if the other team are still celebrating. All these things would encourage players not to waste time which, surely, is the object of the excercise.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2023 9:10:22 GMT
The added time today was a joke. They can’t do this. Why not? If we needed one goal for promotion in the last game of the season and we should get 6-7 minutes added on because the other team “managed the game” like West Brom at home last season. Then my god we would riot if the board went up with 3 minutes. Because it’s terrible and not actually what a game should be like? 10 minutes of added time was given yesterday presumably because of this daft rule. It was ott. Managing the game is an art. We can’t whine that teams do it well and we don’t. As PL says, the game was never designed to have the ball in play for 90 minutes. It was fine as it was.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 30, 2023 10:04:10 GMT
Why not? If we needed one goal for promotion in the last game of the season and we should get 6-7 minutes added on because the other team “managed the game” like West Brom at home last season. Then my god we would riot if the board went up with 3 minutes. Because it’s terrible and not actually what a game should be like? 10 minutes of added time was given yesterday presumably because of this daft rule. It was ott. Managing the game is an art. We can’t whine that teams do it well and we don’t. As PL says, the game was never designed to have the ball in play for 90 minutes. It was fine as it was. Bollocks I want watch a football match not 18 minutes of somebody refusing pick the ball up for a throw in, decide they can’t kick the ball from one side of the six yard box or the other. Or watch somebody feign injury and roll back onto the pitch from an advertising hoarding to break up momentum for the attacking team. Rematch the World Cup it started like that with 10 minutes being added on by the end of the second lot of group games it was back down to 3 or 4 minutes and the matches were having less interruptions.
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Post by stoke111 on Jul 30, 2023 10:07:11 GMT
What’s this? A thread which provides a chance Bayern to have a controversial opinion to gain attention? Opportunity ceased.
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Post by a on Jul 30, 2023 10:08:43 GMT
Expecting a thread on here next season regarding leaving early with the thick end of a quarter of an hour to go, and getting off the car park. "If I want leave before I have a clue whether we will win or lose, that right is enshrined in as a paying customer." etc. God I hope not! People getting sad over someone minding their own business and coming or going when they want is so tedious. Seriously people should mind their own business and get a life!
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Post by a on Jul 30, 2023 10:11:03 GMT
What’s this? A thread which provides a chance Bayern to have a controversial opinion to gain attention? Opportunity ceased. Of course
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2023 10:19:13 GMT
Because it’s terrible and not actually what a game should be like? 10 minutes of added time was given yesterday presumably because of this daft rule. It was ott. Managing the game is an art. We can’t whine that teams do it well and we don’t. As PL says, the game was never designed to have the ball in play for 90 minutes. It was fine as it was. Bollocks I want watch a football match not 18 minutes of somebody refusing pick the ball up for a throw in, decide they can’t kick the ball from one side of the six yard box or the other. Or watch somebody feign injury and roll back onto the pitch from an advertising hoarding to break up momentum for the attacking team. Rematch the World Cup it started like that with 10 minutes being added on by the end of the second lot of group games it was back down to 3 or 4 minutes and the matches were having less interruptions. And that’s what you do. Time management has always been a part of it. And is it really that bad? It’s the odd game and that’s it. People have thrown the baby out with the bath water over a little issue. I didn’t watch the World Cup thankfully!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2023 10:20:31 GMT
What’s this? A thread which provides a chance Bayern to have a controversial opinion to gain attention? Opportunity ceased. What’s this, someone has a different opinion and someone can’t handle that. And then want me to reply to get a little kick….well done 👏
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 30, 2023 10:22:38 GMT
Bollocks I want watch a football match not 18 minutes of somebody refusing pick the ball up for a throw in, decide they can’t kick the ball from one side of the six yard box or the other. Or watch somebody feign injury and roll back onto the pitch from an advertising hoarding to break up momentum for the attacking team. Rematch the World Cup it started like that with 10 minutes being added on by the end of the second lot of group games it was back down to 3 or 4 minutes and the matches were having less interruptions. And that’s what you do. Time management has always been a part of it. And is it really that bad? It’s the odd game and that’s it. People have thrown the baby out with the bath water over a little issue. I didn’t watch the World Cup thankfully! Get it watched then. And you will see the change in the games due to the time keeping and how much of the game management disappears
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2023 10:23:34 GMT
And that’s what you do. Time management has always been a part of it. And is it really that bad? It’s the odd game and that’s it. People have thrown the baby out with the bath water over a little issue. I didn’t watch the World Cup thankfully! Get it watched then. And you will see the change in the games due to the time keeping and how much of the game management disappears I’d rather not.
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Post by a on Jul 30, 2023 10:26:22 GMT
Does anyone actually want this? Me. I don't want to watch a bunch of professional athletes deliberately dawdling about and be lauded for their game management. I can watch my colleagues do fuck all during the week without paying good money to watch some other cunts do it at the weekend. Me too. Why would you accept time wasting as part of the game?
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 30, 2023 10:27:48 GMT
Get it watched then. And you will see the change in the games due to the time keeping and how much of the game management disappears I’d rather not. Then to be honest your opinions invalid as you haven’t seen the benefits from it after the short adjustment period. You are saying it won’t work when the World Cup proved it did. The evidence is there examine it then we can debate it on an equal footing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2023 10:31:10 GMT
Then to be honest your opinions invalid as you haven’t seen the benefits from it after the short adjustment period. You are saying it won’t work when the World Cup proved it did. The evidence is there examine it then we can debate it on an equal footing. I don’t think there was an issue in the first place though so it wouldn’t make an ounce of a difference!
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Post by a on Jul 30, 2023 10:32:28 GMT
If you’ve ever watched American football with adverts between plays, this is the future of football if more and more time is spent with the ball out of play.
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Post by Gods on Jul 30, 2023 10:33:52 GMT
Multi-Ball and penalising teams that waste time through cautions and time added on will do this. There will likely be games at the start of the season with masses of time added on that the opposition score in, or yellow cards etc thus rendering the entertainment sapping "Game Management" as useless. This will then make sure that people are as prompt as possible when restarting after stoppages and in turn speed up the game. It's a 90 minute match, it should be somewhere close to that, thats not unreasonable. The ball has never been, and was never meant to be, in play for anything close to 90 minutes. True, but it still won't be even with this change. All they are doing is changing the time added for a substitution from the present 30 seconds to the actual time taken for each substitution. Which could be 30 seconds or 45 seconds or even 15 seconds.
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