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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 25, 2023 15:20:47 GMT
Talksport bloke who's based on the south coast also saying loan
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 25, 2023 15:22:39 GMT
This chat about loan players not caring is nonsense. I'd wager almost every promoted team for the last decade filled their loan slots. And a goalkeeper looking to improve and impress is as ideal as they get. The perms will come. .yeah, pretty sure our promotion season had a number of loans, they came in on short deals to do a job and get us over the line. Think we even got a l9an keeper in to replace simonson towards end of season.
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Post by crouchbot on Jul 25, 2023 15:24:48 GMT
This chat about loan players not caring is nonsense. I'd wager almost every promoted team for the last decade filled their loan slots. And a goalkeeper looking to improve and impress is as ideal as they get. The perms will come. .yeah, pretty sure our promotion season had a number of loans, they came in on short deals to do a job and get us over the line. Think we even got a l9an keeper in to replace simonson towards end of season. Yep Carlo Nash
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Post by baystokie on Jul 25, 2023 15:45:00 GMT
I don't get it at all. He was being chased by multiple clubs for a loan for weeks.....we would have known that and we could at any time have thrown our hat in the ring. We make an offer for Sarkic which was accepted and almost done and then we just stop it all and go for a loan with Travers that we could have done before trying to buy Sarkic. Either its a permanent deal or or there was a problem with Sarkic, which doesnt make sense when you consider his reaction. We were unlikely to have got Travers on loan before trying to buy Sarkic as Bournemouth were waiting until they had got another keeper (which is just today!) before they would sanction a Travers move, loan or permanent. Waiting for the go-ahead from your targets' clubs is something over which a potential buyer has no control. As for Sarkic's reaction - you can read what you like into that - it MAY have been something that cropped up in his latest medical OR it may have been his agent playing silly beggars about his terms OR something else - it won't make sense unless you know what actually scuppered the deal and none of the participants is likely to hold up their hands and con fess!
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 25, 2023 15:47:31 GMT
I'd rather use our loans on guaranteed quality rather than gambles. Playing Bonham regularly is an even bigger gamble. Like has been already said. I would rather use a loan on a decent goalkeeper than keep watching Bonham picking the ball ot of the net every week!
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Post by robrigo on Jul 25, 2023 15:48:43 GMT
This is great news. We are shaping up nicely now. Beginning to get genuinely excited for the new season.
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Post by lagwafis on Jul 25, 2023 15:49:38 GMT
This chat about loan players not caring is nonsense. I'd wager almost every promoted team for the last decade filled their loan slots. And a goalkeeper looking to improve and impress is as ideal as they get. The perms will come. .yeah, pretty sure our promotion season had a number of loans, they came in on short deals to do a job and get us over the line. Think we even got a l9an keeper in to replace simonson towards end of season. Thirteen loans in all (more than I remember) Nash replaced the late Marton Fulop who only lasted a couple of days before Sunderland recalled him due to injury. Stephen Wright Ryan Shawcross (made permanent) Jody Craddock Gabriel Zakuani Danny Pugh (made permanent) Leon Cort (made permanent) Paul Gallagher Marton Fulop Chris Riggott Carlo Nash Jay Bothroyd Shola Ameobi Stephen Pearson
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 25, 2023 15:58:31 GMT
This chat about loan players not caring is nonsense. I'd wager almost every promoted team for the last decade filled their loan slots. And a goalkeeper looking to improve and impress is as ideal as they get. The perms will come. So wanted to put a picture of Peter Fox on when he had his "perm", but I don't know how??? 🤔
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Post by Orbs on Jul 25, 2023 15:58:43 GMT
This chat about loan players not caring is nonsense. I'd wager almost every promoted team for the last decade filled their loan slots. And a goalkeeper looking to improve and impress is as ideal as they get. The perms will come. Hopefully no mullets.
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Post by chopperscfc on Jul 25, 2023 16:04:42 GMT
So the ITK said permanent and he had already signed. Clearly he’s not yet signed if he’s undergoing a medical ? can’t win can I 😂
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Post by robbieabdoulaye on Jul 25, 2023 16:06:03 GMT
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jul 25, 2023 16:06:04 GMT
Maybe we thought we could use the money that was going to go on Sarkic on an outfield player knowing we would get Travers on loan once Bournemouth brought in another keeper?
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Post by Gods on Jul 25, 2023 16:09:57 GMT
This chat about loan players not caring is nonsense. I'd wager almost every promoted team for the last decade filled their loan slots. And a goalkeeper looking to improve and impress is as ideal as they get. The perms will come. So wanted to put a picture of Peter Fox on when he had his "perm", but I don't know how??? 🤔 Will this one do?
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Post by ProctorDre on Jul 25, 2023 16:18:38 GMT
There’s only person saying it’s a loan as far as I can see? Doesn’t mean it definitely will be the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2023 16:20:48 GMT
So the ITK said permanent and he had already signed. Clearly he’s not yet signed if he’s undergoing a medical ? can’t win can I 😂 Some people on this board mate you will never win with 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2023 16:21:15 GMT
There’s only person saying it’s a loan as far as I can see? Doesn’t mean it definitely will be the case. All the Bournemouth reporters are saying loan, not just one
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Post by ProctorDre on Jul 25, 2023 16:32:31 GMT
There’s only person saying it’s a loan as far as I can see? Doesn’t mean it definitely will be the case. All the Bournemouth reporters are saying loan, not just one Can only see the one when looking on twitter. Percy doesn’t mention anything about a loan and he normally does. Would prefer permanent but we’ll find out shortly I’ll guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2023 16:40:21 GMT
All the Bournemouth reporters are saying loan, not just one Can only see the one when looking on twitter. Percy doesn’t mention anything about a loan and he normally does. Would prefer permanent but we’ll find out shortly I’ll guess. Would prefer permanent too. There's 2 or 3 Bournemouth reporters all saying loan. Permanent would be perfect though
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 25, 2023 16:44:45 GMT
I don't give a Donkeys Finger that's it a loan,So long has that donkey Bonham is not keeping.
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Post by boscfc on Jul 25, 2023 16:47:26 GMT
So the ITK said permanent and he had already signed. Clearly he’s not yet signed if he’s undergoing a medical ? can’t win can I 😂 Not really no. Not if you’re going balls in and it doesn’t happen. All good fun though eh.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 25, 2023 16:49:14 GMT
So wanted to put a picture of Peter Fox on when he had his "perm", but I don't know how??? 🤔 Will this one do? Cheers gods, there is one of Foxy, but it's pretty much the same as Randall's, so it'll do!!! 😏👍🏼
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Post by JimmyisGod on Jul 25, 2023 16:54:57 GMT
When Forest got promoted year before last their team was full of loans, didn’t do them any harm
Let’s worry about next season after we’ve been promoted
Great piece of business
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Post by callas12 on Jul 25, 2023 17:07:44 GMT
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 25, 2023 17:42:18 GMT
Villa got themselves promoted on the back of Tammy Abraham and a number of others, wasn't Tuanzebe there as well. Derby also nearly pulled it off with a young Mason Mount and that cb from Chelsea amongst others. If you use the loan system wisely it can make a massive difference.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 25, 2023 18:26:05 GMT
100% yes but I’d like a strong spine of our own players preferably we can build upon, with so many loans surely we have some seriously good players lined up we’ll own ?? AN must be frazzled with his coming and goings over the past few weeks and surely he won’t want a repeat next season Loans give us access to players of quality we could never afford, it would be ridiculous not to maximise the opportunity However could we have survived without the quality of Smallbone and perhaps 95% of the other loans we’ve had in the last 6 or 7 years? The loan market is rigged. Most of the time you pay good money for crap players that spend more of the season dragging you down than bringing you up. I don’t believe that Travers would be a crap loan but the vast majority of players loaned to the Championship are. There is still this belief that players loaned from the PL are of good quality. For the most part, they are not. The same standard of player would have been in the Championship academy and outskirts of the team 10-15 years ago. Most of the truly decent Premier League loans go to France, Italy, Belgium, NL or Germany.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 25, 2023 18:28:21 GMT
Loans give us access to players of quality we could never afford, it would be ridiculous not to maximise the opportunity However could we have survived without the quality of Smallbone and perhaps 95% of the other loans we’ve had in the last 6 or 7 years? The loan market is rigged. Most of the time you pay good money for crap players that spend more of the season dragging you down than bringing you up. I don’t believe that Travers would be a crap loan but the vast majority of players loaned to the Championship are. Is that actually true though, or just our experience?
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 25, 2023 18:43:04 GMT
However could we have survived without the quality of Smallbone and perhaps 95% of the other loans we’ve had in the last 6 or 7 years? The loan market is rigged. Most of the time you pay good money for crap players that spend more of the season dragging you down than bringing you up. I don’t believe that Travers would be a crap loan but the vast majority of players loaned to the Championship are. Is that actually true though, or just our experience? I think it’s rigged. Look at a list of the loans here, www.transfermarkt.us/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2/plus/?saison_id=2022&s_w=&leihe=2&intern=0&intern=1Cross reference with how many are stepping up a level this year/how many featured regularly in teams of the week etc. Surely, if they are a better quality than we can afford, they will have shined for much of the season and now be moving on to better things. For every Simms on that list, you have 2-3 players like Smallbone or Delap, players who played regularly and contributed little. That’s the reality of the PL monopoly of young talent. It’s decimated the quality in this league.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 25, 2023 18:45:44 GMT
The best goalKeeper in my lifetime. Well my favourite anyway 😁
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 25, 2023 18:45:56 GMT
Is that actually true though, or just our experience? I think it’s rigged. Look at a list of the loans here, www.transfermarkt.us/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2/plus/?saison_id=2022&s_w=&leihe=2&intern=0&intern=1Cross reference with how many are stepping up a level this year/how many featured regularly in teams of the week etc. Surely, if they are a better quality than we can afford, they will have shined for much of the season and now be moving on to better things. For every Simms on that list, you have 2-3 players like Smallbone or Delap, players who played regularly and contributed little. That’s the reality of the PL monopoly of young talent. It’s decimated the quality in this league. If you posted a list of the permanent deals though, what percentage of them would be termed successes and how would you judge it?
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 25, 2023 18:53:07 GMT
I think it’s rigged. Look at a list of the loans here, www.transfermarkt.us/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2/plus/?saison_id=2022&s_w=&leihe=2&intern=0&intern=1Cross reference with how many are stepping up a level this year/how many featured regularly in teams of the week etc. Surely, if they are a better quality than we can afford, they will have shined for much of the season and now be moving on to better things. For every Simms on that list, you have 2-3 players like Smallbone or Delap, players who played regularly and contributed little. That’s the reality of the PL monopoly of young talent. It’s decimated the quality in this league. If you posted a list of the permanent deals though, what percentage of them would be termed successes and how would you judge it? I’d judge it based on the quality of their football over the duration of their subsequent contract. That’s the metric used for loans. The only difference is that the contract is usually shorter. If you think there’s nothing wrong with the loan system Toxic, fair enough. I think that it is a symptom of the increasing inequality found in football and that it needs more regulation for the betterment of the game.
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