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Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 17, 2023 13:54:14 GMT
Put a question out on an Ayr United forum and one of them said this:
"Strong in the air and good ball playing centre half. Admittedly it was a few years ago we had him and at a much lower level than the English Championship but he was brilliant for us. He was always good at playing out from the back and it was developing as an actual defender that he did with us."
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Post by stokietilly1 on Jul 17, 2023 13:59:36 GMT
It's a shame he's never played for us before because "the rose is back in town" would have been perfect.
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 17, 2023 14:00:29 GMT
Like Stevens and Johnson, ideally would be a squad player but don’t think he will be. that’s so depressing, but Rose on a free and only a two year deal is probably good business
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Post by mrrine on Jul 17, 2023 14:02:30 GMT
A bit confused with people calling this underwhelming or disappointing. A 27 year old who played 20 odd games last year for a team who made the play offs and it seems didn't want him to leave, also he was free. That has to be good business. Who are people expecting us to sign? What exactly is confusing about being underwhelmed here? The Turkish lad for example - Is not underwhelming, bags of potential. He obviously hasn't kicked a ball for us yet - If those stats further up the thread are anything to go by, Rose is the opposite of Huth/Shawcross and we'll get destroyed on corners if he's a starter. He was surplus to requirements at Coventry and looking at those stats is basically a midfielder who plays in defence, you'll have to excuse me and others if we're less than thrilled about it. But you and others are welcome to be confused about it.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jul 17, 2023 14:08:14 GMT
I think these 'early' signings (apart from Pearson) will all be squad fillers.
The next few, who we will pay a fee for will be starters, then 5 loans who will be a mix of starters and squad fillers.
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 17, 2023 14:11:20 GMT
I think these 'early' signings (apart from Pearson) will all be squad fillers. The next few, who we will pay a fee for will be starters, then 5 loans who will be a mix of starters and squad fillers. i hope you’re right but i doubt it tbh
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 17, 2023 14:18:40 GMT
I know nothing about this lad and if I'm honest, I've never even heard of him let alone know enough to have an opinion of him.
One thing I am certain of though...as a free transfer, he'll turn out better than Ashley Williams and he can't possibly be any worse than Danny Baath who we were once stupid enough to pay 3.75m for.
At least we aren't rebuilding and breaking the bank in the process.
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Post by stokie1947 on Jul 17, 2023 14:20:29 GMT
Jul 12, 2023 at 1:03pm via mobileQuoteMessage Options Free agent. Good squad player. Nice lad. Surprised we released him.
this is what my friend a Coventry fan said when i asked him about Rose over a week ago
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Post by thehoof on Jul 17, 2023 14:22:12 GMT
Usual fan bollocks on this site. Stoke kept 13 clean sheets last year, Rose played 24 games for Coventry and in those games 10 clean sheets were kept- clearly he helped the rest of the defence, but we will be “ destroyed “ in the air. The majority of people posting on here will have seen him at most twice. It’s okay to have an opinion, but the way people who have no experience of managing a football club know the intricacies of player development is really outstanding- with the majority of this board, Mark Stein and Mike Sheron would never have been allowed to kick a ball. A guy who has never kicked a ball in English football and who has just contributed to his team’s relegation to div2 in Portugal is deemed to be someone with “ bags of potential “ although I’d wager less than 100 posters have actually seen him play? He may be just what we need, Rose might be very good- here’s a novel idea, why not give them a chance before elevating them to “ God” status (Afobe, Ince, Baker for example) or writing them off?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 17, 2023 14:22:51 GMT
I know nothing about this lad and if I'm honest, I've never even heard of him let alone know enough to have an opinion of him. One thing I am certain of though...as a free transfer, he'll turn out better than Ashley Williams and he can't possibly be any worse than Danny Baath who we were once stupid enough to pay 3.75m for. At least we aren't rebuilding and breaking the bank in the process. Absolutely bang on. Let's wait and see.
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Post by ibby on Jul 17, 2023 14:23:51 GMT
Decent player
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 17, 2023 14:32:48 GMT
Underwhelming if he's a starter. Why?
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Post by mrrine on Jul 17, 2023 14:34:51 GMT
Underwhelming if he's a starter. Why? As bluntly as possible: If a starter - not good enough for promotion push.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 17, 2023 14:36:35 GMT
Underwhelming if he's a starter. Why? Probably because he doesn't know him or he's not foreign.
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Post by mrrine on Jul 17, 2023 14:37:58 GMT
Usual fan bollocks on this site. Stoke kept 13 clean sheets last year, Rose played 24 games for Coventry and in those games 10 clean sheets were kept- clearly he helped the rest of the defence, but we will be “ destroyed “ in the air. The majority of people posting on here will have seen him at most twice. It’s okay to have an opinion, but the way people who have no experience of managing a football club know the intricacies of player development is really outstanding- with the majority of this board, Mark Stein and Mike Sheron would never have been allowed to kick a ball. A guy who has never kicked a ball in English football and who has just contributed to his team’s relegation to div2 in Portugal is deemed to be someone with “ bags of potential “ although I’d wager less than 100 posters have actually seen him play? He may be just what we need, Rose might be very good- here’s a novel idea, why not give them a chance before elevating them to “ God” status (Afobe, Ince, Baker for example) or writing them off? You're on the site giving your opinion the same as others. Those stats would and probably should worry most people who've watched our games and watched us get bullied frequently by bog standard championship lumps. One thing you are very right about - let's see what happens when he actually plays.
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Post by mrrine on Jul 17, 2023 14:38:35 GMT
Probably because he doesn't know him or he's not foreign. What a thoroughly weird thing to post.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2023 14:40:09 GMT
He's started 40% of games for Cov over their 3 seasons in the Champ
The chances of Neil, with an entirely blank canvas to construct his team to challenge, seeing him as a member of his ideal XI, do seem slim
I think we're on pretty safe ground in saying he's unlikely to be starting 30-odd games. But having him in the squad's a totally different thing.
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Post by potter25 on Jul 17, 2023 14:42:06 GMT
Every signing deserves a fair chance
Once played a few games we can judge
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 17, 2023 14:45:34 GMT
He's started 40% of games for Cov over their 3 seasons in the Champ The chances of Neil, with an entirely blank canvas to construct his team to challenge, seeing him as a member of his ideal XI, do seem slim I think we're on pretty safe ground in saying he's unlikely to be starting 30-odd games. But having him in the squad's a totally different thing. He’s starting as things stand and there’s zero Evidence we will replace him in the first elevenwith better , he is a a solid championship bit player and will get more time here than he did at Coventry , he’s perfect for what we are building a Preston like mid table championship stayer troubling neither end of the table if we get through this tricky transition
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Post by AlliG on Jul 17, 2023 14:47:08 GMT
I appear to have finally turned into the "old bloke" we all sit near in the ground. The one who doesn't know any of the players and then gets confused and calls them all by a different name. When I heard the name, no idea; saw the photo, still not a clue; read the bio, no. I think I have suddenly become a big fan of the large white panel on the back of the shirt. Hopefully at least it will mean that I can see his number and try and take it from there. Welcome to Stoke Michael Rosen I hope you have a long and successful stay.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 17, 2023 14:47:19 GMT
Another from the Ayr forum:
"Big fan of Rose, he was a relatively young lad when we had him. Absolutely came on leaps and bounds in a fairly short period of time. Seems to have his head screwed on and willing to do the work to keep improving, would absolutely love to see him back at the club one day... which is probably wishful thinking."
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 17, 2023 14:47:24 GMT
Concerned that Coventry have let him go as it doesn't sound like he was offered a new contract. On the plus side the price is right and I'd prefer to see a proper centre back playing there than a makeshift whatever Morgan Fox was.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2023 14:49:37 GMT
He's started 40% of games for Cov over their 3 seasons in the Champ The chances of Neil, with an entirely blank canvas to construct his team to challenge, seeing him as a member of his ideal XI, do seem slim I think we're on pretty safe ground in saying he's unlikely to be starting 30-odd games. But having him in the squad's a totally different thing. He’s starting as things stand and there’s zero Evidence we will replace him in the first elevenwith better , he is a a solid championship bit player and will get more time here than he did at Coventry , he’s perfect for what we are building a Preston like mid table championship stayer troubling neither end of the table if we get through this tricky transition He's starting as things stand yeah - but so is Jordan Thompson!
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Post by beats88 on Jul 17, 2023 14:54:39 GMT
Concerned that Coventry have let him go as it doesn't sound like he was offered a new contract. On the plus side the price is right and I'd prefer to see a proper centre back playing there than a makeshift whatever Morgan Fox was. He decided not to sign new terms, I believe Coventry wanted to keep him. In my eyes he is an upgrade on Flint. If he is brought in as first choice or not is to be seen, but personally feel he will be a back up to Wilmot/Tuanzebe
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Post by stokiemac on Jul 17, 2023 14:55:24 GMT
A bit confused with people calling this underwhelming or disappointing. A 27 year old who played 20 odd games last year for a team who made the play offs and it seems didn't want him to leave, also he was free. That has to be good business. Who are people expecting us to sign? What exactly is confusing about being underwhelmed here? The Turkish lad for example - Is not underwhelming, bags of potential. He obviously hasn't kicked a ball for us yet - If those stats further up the thread are anything to go by, Rose is the opposite of Huth/Shawcross and we'll get destroyed on corners if he's a starter. He was surplus to requirements at Coventry and looking at those stats is basically a midfielder who plays in defence, you'll have to excuse me and others if we're less than thrilled about it. But you and others are welcome to be confused about it. No criticism of you or anyone else theres no wrong opinions and time will make a fool of us all probably, but the bit that was confusing to clear up was who else were people expecting to come through the door? Which centre backs are avaliable who represent better value?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2023 15:03:13 GMT
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 17, 2023 15:08:17 GMT
Concerned that Coventry have let him go as it doesn't sound like he was offered a new contract. On the plus side the price is right and I'd prefer to see a proper centre back playing there than a makeshift whatever Morgan Fox was. They did
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Post by mrrine on Jul 17, 2023 15:09:19 GMT
What exactly is confusing about being underwhelmed here? The Turkish lad for example - Is not underwhelming, bags of potential. He obviously hasn't kicked a ball for us yet - If those stats further up the thread are anything to go by, Rose is the opposite of Huth/Shawcross and we'll get destroyed on corners if he's a starter. He was surplus to requirements at Coventry and looking at those stats is basically a midfielder who plays in defence, you'll have to excuse me and others if we're less than thrilled about it. But you and others are welcome to be confused about it. No criticism of you or anyone else theres no wrong opinions and time will make a fool of us all probably, but the bit that was confusing to clear up was who else were people expecting to come through the door? Which centre backs are avaliable who represent better value? It's against the unwritten rules to be rational don't you know!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 17, 2023 15:12:37 GMT
He's started 40% of games for Cov over their 3 seasons in the Champ The chances of Neil, with an entirely blank canvas to construct his team to challenge, seeing him as a member of his ideal XI, do seem slim I think we're on pretty safe ground in saying he's unlikely to be starting 30-odd games. But having him in the squad's a totally different thing. Yeah he's alright as cover / competition for Wilmot. Seems like a confidence player.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 17, 2023 15:12:42 GMT
Concerned that Coventry have let him go as it doesn't sound like he was offered a new contract. On the plus side the price is right and I'd prefer to see a proper centre back playing there than a makeshift whatever Morgan Fox was. Hopefully about as concerned as Chelsea were letting salah go
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