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Post by LGH87 on Jul 13, 2023 10:54:52 GMT
Seems pretty clear he hasn't travelled to Spain with the rest of the squad as he's not appeared on any footage or photo's since they've been out there.
He's not appeared on any of the footage or photos from Clayton Wood since they've returned either. All we've had is one line from AN in the Notts Country presser saying he was going to miss it through injury, yet we've not been told when the injury occurred or to what extent he is injured.
Would be good to know whether he is genuinely injured or if it's one of those injuries that players get when they're on their way out.
He is as it stands, still the club captain afterall.
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 13, 2023 10:59:53 GMT
I think he may have been told to stay away until a replacement is found...he doesn't seem in the managers plans for next season that's for sure...and if he's been told to stay away it will be because of attitude, which for a captain is quite damning.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 13, 2023 11:00:30 GMT
He's probably lining up a big money move to Borussia Dortmund or PSG, like Choupo did.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jul 13, 2023 11:00:31 GMT
Apparently he's injured. Gouranga.  |
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Post by st3mark on Jul 13, 2023 11:00:34 GMT
The injury is to his ego.
It's a long term recovery I'm afraid.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 13, 2023 11:02:57 GMT
he wants to go on loan
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2023 11:04:44 GMT
He doesn't want to give up that juicy contract he got |
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 13, 2023 11:05:54 GMT
He doesn't want to give up that juicy contract he got Ridiculous we rushed to give him that new contract in order to remove the release clause of £1m or whatever it was  We'd struggle get half of that now. |
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Post by liathroid on Jul 13, 2023 11:07:44 GMT
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Post by gogogadget on Jul 13, 2023 11:14:05 GMT
May be wrong,
But possibly the manager doesn’t want a negative person around the camp, this preseason trip is the clean start, I’d guess him and Gayle have been told they won’t feature this season, get your agents on the case to find a new club
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Post by somersetpotter on Jul 13, 2023 11:14:36 GMT
Don't get the attitude from some towards him in here. There's obviously a great player in there somewhere, as he looked like the best player in the league for a fairly long period of time. We've got a tiny squad and it's unsure if we've got the money to get players in that match or are above his standard, so why aren't we investing in getting him back into the fold?
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 13, 2023 11:19:58 GMT
May be wrong, But possibly the manager doesn’t want a negative person around the camp, this preseason trip is the clean start, I’d guess him and Gayle have been told they won’t feature this season, get your agents on the case to find a new club Gayle's in Spain, was seen on one of the first bits of footage released. |
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 13, 2023 11:21:12 GMT
Don't get the attitude from some towards him in here. There's obviously a great player in there somewhere, as he looked like the best player in the league for a fairly long period of time. We've got a tiny squad and it's unsure if we've got the money to get players in that match or are above his standard, so why aren't we investing in getting him back into the fold? When did he look the best player in the league? He had a decent spell of goalscoring for us when he first came but if you take away his goals he didn't really contribute much else, I think we were blinded a bit by the fact we had a midfielder who could shoot from distance and actually score a penalty. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 13, 2023 11:24:12 GMT
Wasn't there a rumour about a bust up with Neil mentioned on this thread somewhere? I'm certainly not an ITK in any way so this is not anything coming from me!  |
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Post by st3mark on Jul 13, 2023 11:30:55 GMT
May be wrong, But possibly the manager doesn’t want a negative person around the camp, this preseason trip is the clean start, I’d guess him and Gayle have been told they won’t feature this season, get your agents on the case to find a new club Gayles goal record for us has been poor. But his commitment, experience and attitude can be a massive positive impact on any squad. Great that he is in Spain around our youngsters. Role models and tutors don't come much better than him at this level. He obviously can leave for a price, but he still has a lot to contribute. He certainly won't be sulking around like Baker. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 13, 2023 11:32:40 GMT
He doesn't want to give up that juicy contract he got Ridiculous we rushed to give him that new contract in order to remove the release clause of £1m or whatever it was We'd struggle get half of that now. Agreed. It’s ridiculous that we had a good player and then brought in a manager that wants to play him a completely different way. Now it looks like we’ll be back to loaning out players and paying most of their wages to do so. |
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Post by thevoid on Jul 13, 2023 11:34:01 GMT
If I do I'll hand him back in.
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Post by somersetpotter on Jul 13, 2023 11:34:55 GMT
Don't get the attitude from some towards him in here. There's obviously a great player in there somewhere, as he looked like the best player in the league for a fairly long period of time. We've got a tiny squad and it's unsure if we've got the money to get players in that match or are above his standard, so why aren't we investing in getting him back into the fold? When did he look the best player in the league? He had a decent spell of goalscoring for us when he first came but if you take away his goals he didn't really contribute much else, I think we were blinded a bit by the fact we had a midfielder who could shoot from distance and actually score a penalty. He was bossing the midfield. Looked a class above with a great engine, passing range, ability to play with both feet and score goals. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 13, 2023 11:40:35 GMT
What is the basis for this stuff on here about him sulking, or being a bad influence? Is there any evidence to back this up. Do folk just make this stuff up for entertainment? Folk keep dropping these descriptions and it seems like it just starts to stick.
Unfair if there is no basis to it though.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 13, 2023 11:42:53 GMT
When did he look the best player in the league? He had a decent spell of goalscoring for us when he first came but if you take away his goals he didn't really contribute much else, I think we were blinded a bit by the fact we had a midfielder who could shoot from distance and actually score a penalty. He was bossing the midfield. Looked a class above with a great engine, passing range, ability to play with both feet and score goals. And yet despite him being such a colossus in midfield, we managed to win just 7 games from January to May. Him and Joe Allen formed a decent partnership and Bake scored some terrific goals but he was never anywhere near being one of the best in the league. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2023 11:47:52 GMT
May be wrong, But possibly the manager doesn’t want a negative person around the camp, this preseason trip is the clean start, I’d guess him and Gayle have been told they won’t feature this season, get your agents on the case to find a new club Gayle's in Spain, was seen on one of the first bits of footage released. Gayle might, well he is, past it but he's clearly not a bad influence at least |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 13, 2023 11:48:05 GMT
Don't get the attitude from some towards him in here. There's obviously a great player in there somewhere, as he looked like the best player in the league for a fairly long period of time. We've got a tiny squad and it's unsure if we've got the money to get players in that match or are above his standard, so why aren't we investing in getting him back into the fold? Did you not see his last few appearances, it was pretty clear he didn't want to be here and I'm guessing he's said he wants gone or he'd be in Spain even with an injury. |
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Post by bolders on Jul 13, 2023 11:49:17 GMT
Wasn't there a rumour about a bust up with Neil mentioned on this thread somewhere? I'm certainly not an ITK in any way so this is not anything coming from me! Yeah that’s what I heard. Baker went in to AN’s office and said that this shit isn’t working he got dropped and we won |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 13, 2023 11:50:10 GMT
Ridiculous we rushed to give him that new contract in order to remove the release clause of £1m or whatever it was We'd struggle get half of that now. Agreed. It’s ridiculous that we had a good player and then brought in a manager that wants to play him a completely different way. Now it looks like we’ll be back to loaning out players and paying most of their wages to do so. Because it was working out so well with him before AN got here. He was toss before and he's been toss after, we need to get him out the door. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 13, 2023 11:50:10 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-lewis-baker-chelsea-8424933Sentinel story from May Don't know about any sulking, but it's obvious he can't do what Neil wants in midfield. It'd be a massive shock if he was still here come September. 1 start in the last 17 games says it all. Got to laugh at the thinking behind his new deal to get rid of a £1.5m clause. We'd be lucky to get a reasonable fee for him now, given he'll be on a decent wage. It'll be interesting to see where he turns up.
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2023 11:50:36 GMT
What is the basis for this stuff on here about him sulking, or being a bad influence? Is there any evidence to back this up. Do folk just make this stuff up for entertainment? Folk keep dropping these descriptions and it seems like it just starts to stick. Unfair if there is no basis to it though. The basis is what see on the pitch He strolls around giving the ball away, a poor imitation of what we saw before he got his contract Am increasingly of the opinion that all players, and managers should be on max 1 year contracts |
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Post by bolders on Jul 13, 2023 11:51:05 GMT
Don't get the attitude from some towards him in here. There's obviously a great player in there somewhere, as he looked like the best player in the league for a fairly long period of time. We've got a tiny squad and it's unsure if we've got the money to get players in that match or are above his standard, so why aren't we investing in getting him back into the fold? Did you not see his last few appearances, it was pretty clear he didn't want to be here and I'm guessing he's said he wants gone or he'd be in Spain even with an injury. If he wants to go, he can buy himself out of his contract if he is desperate. Oh that won’t happen he will try and bleed us first. I’d be on to his agent and try to get him off to Saudi. |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 13, 2023 12:09:36 GMT
I think he may have been told to stay away until a replacement is found...he doesn't seem in the managers plans for next season that's for sure...and if he's been told to stay away it will be because of attitude, which for a captain is quite damning. I’m all for discussing things on a forum but unless you have some solid information such speculation is just plain daft. I’ve not long watched the Dele Alli interview on the other thread and it baffles me how much people are prepared to say things like you have if it’s based on nothing. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jul 13, 2023 12:12:15 GMT
I know for a fact he’s with Butcher and Candle Stick maker, all of them gone to the fair.
I’ll get my coat…
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 13, 2023 12:15:04 GMT
Don't get the attitude from some towards him in here. There's obviously a great player in there somewhere, as he looked like the best player in the league for a fairly long period of time. We've got a tiny squad and it's unsure if we've got the money to get players in that match or are above his standard, so why aren't we investing in getting him back into the fold? Did you not see his last few appearances, it was pretty clear he didn't want to be here and I'm guessing he's said he wants gone or he'd be in Spain even with an injury. It’s not clear he didn’t want to be here at all, there are other viable explanations for the performances, it could have simply been a loss of form among other things. |
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