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Post by franklin on Jul 18, 2023 10:02:24 GMT
Not sure if this is for this thread or the "most controversial" one but I never rated him and I wouldn't have had him in my side. I wish him well but I won't miss him one iota.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 18, 2023 10:05:30 GMT
Not sure if this is for this thread or the "most controversial" one but I never rated him and I wouldn't have had him in my side. I wish him well but I won't miss him one iota. Who would you have had in the side instead, particularly the season when he was just outside the top 10 scorers in the division and contributed directly to 30% of the goals we scored?
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 18, 2023 10:08:31 GMT
Not sure if this is for this thread or the "most controversial" one but I never rated him and I wouldn't have had him in my side. I wish him well but I won't miss him one iota. Who would you have had in the side instead, particularly the season when he was just outside the top 10 scorers in the division and contributed directly to 30% of the goals we scored? If that season hadn't have been behind closed doors, surely he'd have been universally loved on here? Because people didn't see it live and only saw what they bothered to watch on TV, it's like it never happened for some.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Jul 18, 2023 10:09:54 GMT
Not sure if this is for this thread or the "most controversial" one but I never rated him and I wouldn't have had him in my side. I wish him well but I won't miss him one iota. Who would you have had in the side instead, particularly the season when he was just outside the top 10 scorers in the division and contributed directly to 30% of the goals we scored? Someone who can be arsed to play and leave everything on the pitch. He was awful the last year or two. Talented, but not bothered or committed enough.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 18, 2023 10:11:58 GMT
Who would you have had in the side instead, particularly the season when he was just outside the top 10 scorers in the division and contributed directly to 30% of the goals we scored? Someone who can be arsed to play and leave everything on the pitch. He was awful the last year or two. Talented, but not bothered or committed enough. The last year or two? Last year he was poor absolutely. The year before that he started the season brilliantly, was scoring at a rate of 1 in 2 and then broke his leg. The idea he can't be arsed is absolute nonsense, based I think purely on him being a creative player and thus the dreaded 'fancy Dan'. If anything he got too involved in the muck and bullets deeper in midfield at times.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 18, 2023 10:17:23 GMT
That’s a really good interview and should shut some of the pricks in our fanbase up about him. Hopefully they learn from what he’s said too. It is a really good interview. However it does show how hard headed and mentally resilient you need to be to make it at the very top in professional sport. And as much as I feel sorry for Powell and what he experienced it also confirms what a lot of people have been saying - Powell doesn't have what it takes to make the most of his talent and as a result was never going be a truly top player. I'd agree with all that. He definitely has shown he had that potential but I don't see why not achieving that is used to malign him especially considering he was still our most effective player over the last few seasons by some considerable distance and there is zero evidence to support the idea that he didn't give his 100% while at the club. Whether he could have been better is in some ways irrelevant. He had a poor last season blighted by injuries but that seems to have totally clouded his other achievements here. I'm really sad to see him go because he is one of the few players to have given us something to look forward to in recent years. I hope he enjoys his football at Stockport, I'm tempted to go see how he does there. Hope he doesn't get clattered too much.
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Jul 18, 2023 10:31:54 GMT
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Post by franklin on Jul 18, 2023 10:31:54 GMT
Not sure if this is for this thread or the "most controversial" one but I never rated him and I wouldn't have had him in my side. I wish him well but I won't miss him one iota. Who would you have had in the side instead, particularly the season when he was just outside the top 10 scorers in the division and contributed directly to 30% of the goals we scored? Somebody else because I wouldn't have signed him in the first place.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 18, 2023 10:37:24 GMT
Who would you have had in the side instead, particularly the season when he was just outside the top 10 scorers in the division and contributed directly to 30% of the goals we scored? Somebody else because I wouldn't have signed him in the first place. So we might possibly have ended up in League One. Terrific stuff eh? These lazy fuckers, scoring goals and creating things...Grrrrrrrr.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 18, 2023 10:39:05 GMT
Who would you have had in the side instead, particularly the season when he was just outside the top 10 scorers in the division and contributed directly to 30% of the goals we scored? Somebody else because I wouldn't have signed him in the first place. They'd have had to be pretty bloody good to match that though wouldn't they?
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Jul 18, 2023 10:51:29 GMT
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Post by franklin on Jul 18, 2023 10:51:29 GMT
Somebody else because I wouldn't have signed him in the first place. So we might possibly have ended up in League One. Terrific stuff eh? These lazy fuckers, scoring goals and creating things...Grrrrrrrr. And we might not what a ridiculous argument and when did I call him lazy?
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Jul 18, 2023 10:52:27 GMT
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Post by franklin on Jul 18, 2023 10:52:27 GMT
Somebody else because I wouldn't have signed him in the first place. They'd have had to be pretty bloody good to match that though wouldn't they? I don't know, who was available at the time we signed him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 18, 2023 10:59:00 GMT
They'd have had to be pretty bloody good to match that though wouldn't they? I don't know, who was available at the time we signed him. Whoever was or wasn't available, they'd have had to have been excellent to match that record. That's the point.
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Post by jokker on Jul 18, 2023 10:59:15 GMT
Uwe Rösler now manages AGF, my local team (not the one I played for and supported, but the big club in the Super Liga) in Aarhus, Denmark. I don't like them much, but they did surprisingly well last season and big things are expected. They could do with a bit of brain power in midfield though, so if Stockport doessn't work out, he could give Uwe a call. Unless the clubs ups and moves to somewhere near say, Warrington, I think it’s unlikely 😂 You don't say...why not move all of England to Denmark? After all half the English population descends from Vikings...
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Post by jokker on Jul 18, 2023 11:00:35 GMT
Not sure if this is for this thread or the "most controversial" one but I never rated him and I wouldn't have had him in my side. I wish him well but I won't miss him one iota. He probably never rated your type of fanhood either and won't miss you one bit
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Jul 18, 2023 11:06:02 GMT
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Post by franklin on Jul 18, 2023 11:06:02 GMT
I don't know, who was available at the time we signed him. Whoever was or wasn't available, they'd have had to have been excellent to match that record. That's the point. Well we'll never know the answer to the question will we its in the history books.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 18, 2023 11:11:27 GMT
Whoever was or wasn't available, they'd have had to have been excellent to match that record. That's the point. Well we'll never know the answer to the question will we its in the history books. Not really, the answer to the question is practically rhetorical, it's 'yes, whoever we signed would have had to be excellent to match that record'.
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Jul 18, 2023 11:17:19 GMT
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Post by outspaced on Jul 18, 2023 11:17:19 GMT
I think a lot of people mistake swagger and a bit of style as not giving a shit. Because somebody like Dean Whitehead ran all day is fine though.
Seems that quite a selection of our support like a plodder who gives 100%.
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Powell??
Jul 18, 2023 11:30:21 GMT
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Post by franklin on Jul 18, 2023 11:30:21 GMT
Well we'll never know the answer to the question will we its in the history books. Not really, the answer to the question is practically rhetorical, it's 'yes, whoever we signed would have had to be excellent to match that record'. If you think he was excellent fine opinions differ but I accept your point. However my unknown alternative would have been amazing 👍
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 18, 2023 11:41:16 GMT
Not really, the answer to the question is practically rhetorical, it's 'yes, whoever we signed would have had to be excellent to match that record'. If you think he was excellent fine opinions differ but I accept your point. However my unknown alternative would have been amazing 👍 I'm saying the record itself that season is excellent mate. For any player. Your unknown imaginary alternative would have had to have been good to match the objectively good one that the real player achieved in, you know, real life.
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Jul 18, 2023 11:48:14 GMT
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Post by franklin on Jul 18, 2023 11:48:14 GMT
If you think he was excellent fine opinions differ but I accept your point. However my unknown alternative would have been amazing 👍 I'm saying the record itself that season is excellent mate. For any player. Your unknown imaginary alternative would have had to have been good to match the objectively good one that the real player achieved in, you know, real life. So just to clarify I said I didn't rate him, you asked who I'd have played I said I don't know who was available, you said whoever it was would have had to be excellent because of a relatively short period of a long contract he contributed something. I agreed but said my unknown alternative would have been amazing joking or course. I thought you asked for a hypothetical player as an alternative but now it's real life I'm all confused.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Jul 18, 2023 11:52:32 GMT
Someone who can be arsed to play and leave everything on the pitch. He was awful the last year or two. Talented, but not bothered or committed enough. The last year or two? Last year he was poor absolutely. The year before that he started the season brilliantly, was scoring at a rate of 1 in 2 and then broke his leg. The idea he can't be arsed is absolute nonsense, based I think purely on him being a creative player and thus the dreaded 'fancy Dan'. If anything he got too involved in the muck and bullets deeper in midfield at times. perhaps it was down to lack of fitness then, I have never, ever seen him anywhere near any muck and bullets. I accept he was/is a talent, but a talented crock ain’t much use in the thunderstorm of a challenge the championship represents. Look, I like him, he has been brilliant and I wish him well for whoever took the next gamble on him - which is most certainly what it is when you sign him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 18, 2023 12:09:56 GMT
I'm saying the record itself that season is excellent mate. For any player. Your unknown imaginary alternative would have had to have been good to match the objectively good one that the real player achieved in, you know, real life. So just to clarify I said I didn't rate him, you asked who I'd have played I said I don't know who was available, you said whoever it was would have had to be excellent because of a relatively short period of a long contract he contributed something. I agreed but said my unknown alternative would have been amazing joking or course. I thought you asked for a hypothetical player as an alternative but now it's real life I'm all confused. No, to clarify, you said you didn't rate him, I highlighted his contribution, you ignored that and started muttering about an imaginary player. Feel free not to rate him, I'm just saying there's a decent amount of compelling evidence that makes that take look pretty daft.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 18, 2023 12:11:55 GMT
The last year or two? Last year he was poor absolutely. The year before that he started the season brilliantly, was scoring at a rate of 1 in 2 and then broke his leg. The idea he can't be arsed is absolute nonsense, based I think purely on him being a creative player and thus the dreaded 'fancy Dan'. If anything he got too involved in the muck and bullets deeper in midfield at times. perhaps it was down to lack of fitness then, I have never, ever seen him anywhere near any muck and bullets. I accept he was/is a talent, but a talented crock ain’t much use in the thunderstorm of a challenge the championship represents. Look, I like him, he has been brilliant and I wish him well for whoever took the next gamble on him - which is most certainly what it is when you sign him. I'm honestly at a loss at how someone could watch him play regularly and not see him getting drawn into midfield battles, but I guess we all watch the game differently.
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Post by franklin on Jul 18, 2023 12:12:39 GMT
So just to clarify I said I didn't rate him, you asked who I'd have played I said I don't know who was available, you said whoever it was would have had to be excellent because of a relatively short period of a long contract he contributed something. I agreed but said my unknown alternative would have been amazing joking or course. I thought you asked for a hypothetical player as an alternative but now it's real life I'm all confused. No, to clarify, you said you didn't rate him, I highlighted his contribution, you ignored that and started muttering about an imaginary player. Feel free not to rate him, I'm just saying there's a decent amount of compelling evidence that makes that take look pretty daft. If you say so just ignore me in future. Or don't ask purile questions about who I'd have played instead to try and make a point.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 18, 2023 12:15:20 GMT
No, to clarify, you said you didn't rate him, I highlighted his contribution, you ignored that and started muttering about an imaginary player. Feel free not to rate him, I'm just saying there's a decent amount of compelling evidence that makes that take look pretty daft. If you say so just ignore me in future. Or don't ask purile questions about who I'd have played instead to try and make a point. Looks a lot like the pot calling the kettle puerile to me. You said you wouldn't have played him, I asked who you'd have played instead and rather than name someone on the books you did rate, went off on a bizarre flight of fancy about a fake player while ignoring the measurable contribution of a real one. Excellent advice about ignoring you though, will definitely take that on board.
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Jul 18, 2023 12:28:47 GMT
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Post by franklin on Jul 18, 2023 12:28:47 GMT
If you say so just ignore me in future. Or don't ask purile questions about who I'd have played instead to try and make a point. Looks a lot like the pot calling the kettle puerile to me. You said you wouldn't have played him, I asked who you'd have played instead and rather than name someone on the books you did rate, went off on a bizarre flight of fancy about a fake player while ignoring the measurable contribution of a real one. Excellent advice about ignoring you though, will definitely take that on board. Thank goodness for that.
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Post by apb1 on Jul 18, 2023 12:32:05 GMT
Still so many people questioning his commitment. He got kicked around loads, winning tons of free kicks and getting injured, and was the most intelligent player at pressing defenders in key moments. Add that to being a full on WUM to opponents (and Jones), scoring goals, and creating them and you have a pretty good player.
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Jul 18, 2023 12:47:13 GMT
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Post by moon on Jul 18, 2023 12:47:13 GMT
Still so many people questioning his commitment. He got kicked around loads, winning tons of free kicks and getting injured, and was the most intelligent player at pressing defenders in key moments. Add that to being a full on WUM to opponents (and Jones), scoring goals, and creating them and you have a pretty good player. He is an excellent footballer, when fit and in form he’s still better than any attacking player in our team today for me, we haven’t seen that from him for some time though but he still has plenty of time on his side. The only thing in question for me is his desire to be the best he can be on the pitch, it’s seemingly not his top priority otherwise he’d have found a move in the Championship. If he’d really wanted it I think he could’ve been a regular in the premier league for a bottom half club, maybe he lost all confidence when he went to Man Utd but there has always been a quality player in there, I think he needed a bit more belief in himself.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:20:30 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 18, 2023 16:20:30 GMT
It is a really good interview. However it does show how hard headed and mentally resilient you need to be to make it at the very top in professional sport. And as much as I feel sorry for Powell and what he experienced it also confirms what a lot of people have been saying - Powell doesn't have what it takes to make the most of his talent and as a result was never going be a truly top player. I'd agree with all that. He definitely has shown he had that potential but I don't see why not achieving that is used to malign him especially considering he was still our most effective player over the last few seasons by some considerable distance and there is zero evidence to support the idea that he didn't give his 100% while at the club. Whether he could have been better is in some ways irrelevant. He had a poor last season blighted by injuries but that seems to have totally clouded his other achievements here. I'm really sad to see him go because he is one of the few players to have given us something to look forward to in recent years. I hope he enjoys his football at Stockport, I'm tempted to go see how he does there. Hope he doesn't get clattered too much. I don’t see many maligning him as you say only people who don’t rate him. It’s almost like no one can say anything against him. Certain fans have a hard on for him certain fans don’t rate him🤷♀️ Enjoy your games at Stockport and send nick my best
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 18, 2023 20:01:47 GMT
I really don't get the negative comments for Powell. I'm often critical of how black and white opinions on here often seem to have to be, but it is black and white for Powell for me.
We've been in the Championship for 5 seasons and Powell has been pretty much the only player I've looked forward to watching. He was one of the best players in the Championship and unfortunately struggled after that leg break (like anyone would). I hope he rips League Two apart, and kudos to him for putting his family first when he could have made an absolute load more dosh.
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