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Post by bjarnig on Jul 4, 2023 14:01:16 GMT
Not every signing is going to be an exciting one, how hard is it for people to understand. How predictable aswell that people are complaining at us signing someone after spending the last month moaning endlessly that we still need to sign at least 12. He’s basically replacing Fox (who a lot of people were saying we should have kept) and he’s a better player. Spot on 👏
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 4, 2023 14:01:16 GMT
who did we beat in the race to sign him? Mcdonalds & Tesco
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Post by neddy on Jul 4, 2023 14:07:19 GMT
Come on chaps lighten up lol 😂. What about a song for Enda Shakin Stevens lol 😂
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 4, 2023 14:07:39 GMT
who did we beat in the race to sign him? Rotherham must be a great coup then if we have beaten mighty Rotherham
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Post by neddy on Jul 4, 2023 14:10:14 GMT
We could refer to the bet 365 as this ole house 😃
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 4, 2023 14:10:17 GMT
Come on chaps lighten up lol 😂. What about a song for Enda Shakin Stevens lol 😂 Theres a roll of Izal And a chamber pot Behind the brown door (brown door) I dont know what to do Im gonna follow thru Open the brown door (brown door) To the tune of green door Copyright Eddie Shit.
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Jul 4, 2023 14:15:44 GMT
‘Fans outraged as Championship team signs back up left back that isn’t Alphonso Davies.’ . If he's back up it's a lot more palatable. But can anyone see him being happy with Tymon as his first-choice? It's clear he doesn't rate him as an option in a back 4. I’d wager a decent amount that the only real reason Tymon didn’t play more than 28 games last season was down to his injuries. Frankly if Neill keeps Tymon benched this season I’d imagine the Coates getting twitchy. We’d be devaluing a player who could potentially be sold for a few million in January or next summer, which I doubt even we’d be daft enough to do in this ridiculous FFP driven era. We’d essentially be turning Steven’s fee from £0 to a few million.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 14:17:26 GMT
So you think it's naive of the fanbase not to be up in arms about bringing in a 33 y/o primarily LWB who only played 800 mins last season due to injury, who as a wing-back would have relied on pace and stamina that is likely no longer there, and furthermore when we actually need a proper LB rather than wing-back? I’ll judge him when I’ve seen him play for us I get that, but surely people are allowed to have an opinion before he pulls on a shirt for us? Even the most optimistic Stoke fan surely can't be excited about signing full back of his age and with the amount of football he had under his belt last season?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 4, 2023 14:20:01 GMT
I’ll judge him when I’ve seen him play for us I get that, but surely people are allowed to have an opinion before he pulls on a shirt for us? Even the most optimistic Stoke fan surely can't be excited about signing full back of his age and with the amount of football he had under his belt last season? Having an opinion of course,writing someone off(which is the norm on here) before they play for us in my opinion isn’t right
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Post by neddy on Jul 4, 2023 14:23:00 GMT
I get that, but surely people are allowed to have an opinion before he pulls on a shirt for us? Even the most optimistic Stoke fan surely can't be excited about signing full back of his age and with the amount of football he had under his belt last season? Having an opinion of course,writing someone off(which is the norm on here) before they play for us in my opinion isn’t right Surely though even the most positive fan could legitimately call this a risk unless he has signed for back up which we don’t yet know? We have to give him a fair crack of the whip though and as said won’t know until weve seen him not once but a few times if he stays fit?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 4, 2023 14:25:44 GMT
If he's back up it's a lot more palatable. But can anyone see him being happy with Tymon as his first-choice? It's clear he doesn't rate him as an option in a back 4. I’d wager a decent amount that the only real reason Tymon didn’t play more than 28 games last season was down to his injuries. Frankly if Neill keeps Tymon benched this season I’d imagine the Coates getting twitchy. We’d be devaluing a player who could potentially be sold for a few million in January or next summer, which I doubt even we’d be daft enough to do in this ridiculous FFP driven era. We’d essentially be turning Steven’s fee from £0 to a few million. Time will tell - he's got a lot going for him as a player, but not sure Neil thinks he can play as a left-back. He played the last 3-4 games of the season after Wilmot's injury prompted a reshuffle with the only warm bodies we had available, but he'd benched him for 9-10 before that after he was back from the injury he got at Luton I'd be a bit surprised if he started the season on the left of the back four - which means the identity of the other LB at the club is going to be so interesting. Still think there must be a chance he leaves as he's too good to be on the periphery of an XI that doesn't suit his qualities, but that won't be on the agenda until we've got done a lot more business.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 14:25:54 GMT
I get that, but surely people are allowed to have an opinion before he pulls on a shirt for us? Even the most optimistic Stoke fan surely can't be excited about signing full back of his age and with the amount of football he had under his belt last season? Having an opinion of course,writing someone off(which is the norm on here) before they play for us in my opinion isn’t right Ok, so what's your opinion on this signing then? Mine is one of the "ffs, not another over the hill squad filler", and that's purely borne of the ever growing frustration of this wankly run football club we support. He could turn out to be a really good player for us, my gut tells me he won't though, and that again is borne out of the frustration that over the last 6 years or so, we seem to turn every footballer we sign into a bag of wank. Not difficult to see why people on here are so negative mate when you dig a bit deeper.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 4, 2023 14:32:39 GMT
Having an opinion of course,writing someone off(which is the norm on here) before they play for us in my opinion isn’t right Ok, so what's your opinion on this signing then? Mine is one of the "ffs, not another over the hill squad filler", and that's purely borne of the ever growing frustration of this wankly run football club we support. He could turn out to be a really good player for us, my gut tells me he won't though, and that again is borne out of the frustration that over the last 6 years or so, we seem to turn every footballer we sign into a bag of wank. Not difficult to see why people on here are so negative mate when you dig a bit deeper. Of course I understand the scepticism but like I said the other day we need squad fillers as well starters and which category Stevens is in remains to be seen on what Neil thinks.At the start of the promotion season in our 1st 2 games we fielded Stephen Wright,Dominic Matteo and Jody Craddock(after our 1st game)and you’re not telling me that fans were happy with these 3 at that time.They also weren’t over fussed on several other players but it turned into a team just like Luton last season Let’s wait and see what it looks like when we kick off on Aug 5th
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 4, 2023 14:34:36 GMT
If he's back up it's a lot more palatable. But can anyone see him being happy with Tymon as his first-choice? It's clear he doesn't rate him as an option in a back 4. I’d wager a decent amount that the only real reason Tymon didn’t play more than 28 games last season was down to his injuries. Frankly if Neill keeps Tymon benched this season I’d imagine the Coates getting twitchy. We’d be devaluing a player who could potentially be sold for a few million in January or next summer, which I doubt even we’d be daft enough to do in this ridiculous FFP driven era. We’d essentially be turning Steven’s fee from £0 to a few million. He’s ok as a LWB but he just can’t defend well enough to play LB. If we’re planning on playing with a back 4 I’d hope we’re looking to move Tymon on and get a proper LB in addition to Stevens. Ideally we should have looked to cash in on Tymon when his stock was really high and he looked one of the better LWB’s in the Championship, he hasn’t looked close to hitting those heights since.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 4, 2023 14:37:09 GMT
Could he do well for us? Yes Is it possible the powers-that-be know (or at least think they do) more than us about his fitness etc? Yes. Is he a relatively minor and cheap part of the rebuild? Yes
But the fact remains he's 33 on Sunday, apparently hasn't done great for at least a couple of seasons and has missed 55 games through injury since the start of 21-22 with a mix of knee, calf and hamstring injuries
I don't think any player is going to have flower petals thrown at him on his arrival in those circumstances, especially from this increasingly frustrated fanbase
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Post by pavel on Jul 4, 2023 14:38:30 GMT
Doesn't set the pulses racing, hopefully he's backup but the worrying side is his age, he hasn't played a lot recently and Stoke's record since we came down of buying players who are well past their best/legs have gone/known to the manager.
We shall see, he may be fine as backup, but surely not a nailed on starter.
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 4, 2023 14:40:14 GMT
cheap option or not its a disgraceful signing even if he had not have been out injured that only makes it a worse signing for me,,
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Jul 4, 2023 14:41:43 GMT
I’d wager a decent amount that the only real reason Tymon didn’t play more than 28 games last season was down to his injuries. Frankly if Neill keeps Tymon benched this season I’d imagine the Coates getting twitchy. We’d be devaluing a player who could potentially be sold for a few million in January or next summer, which I doubt even we’d be daft enough to do in this ridiculous FFP driven era. We’d essentially be turning Steven’s fee from £0 to a few million. He’s ok as a LWB but he just can’t defend well enough to play LB. If we’re planning on playing with a back 4 I’d hope we’re looking to move Tymon on and get a proper LB in addition to Stevens. Ideally we should have looked to cash in on Tymon when his stock was really high and he looked one of the better LWB’s in the Championship, he hasn’t looked close to hitting those heights since. I don’t buy that personally though. He’s just a modern full back in my eyes. I can’t remember too many people laughing at it being a ridiculous notion when he was linked with Leeds last summer for example. Mind you, maybe he just benefits from me having lived through the James McClean at left back experiment.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 4, 2023 14:42:37 GMT
What a bizarre signing. We may as well have kept Morgan Fox.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 14:44:48 GMT
Unfortunately then I now understand the meltdown.
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Post by bangorstokie on Jul 4, 2023 14:48:25 GMT
If this is the calibre of player we’re looking at, we are well and truly fucked. Stevens well past his sell by date. Why did we get rid of Fox. Just fucking shows when it comes to transfers, we haven’t got a fucking clue.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 4, 2023 14:50:19 GMT
Having an opinion of course,writing someone off(which is the norm on here) before they play for us in my opinion isn’t right Surely though even the most positive fan could legitimately call this a risk unless he has signed for back up which we don’t yet know? We have to give him a fair crack of the whip though and as said won’t know until weve seen him not once but a few times if he stays fit? At the same time, I’d argue that we could be less likely to sign better players if we don’t have a few in already. Players with good options will see seven senior players and wonder if there’s any hope. At least with some semblance of a squad, they can see where they would fit in. I believe it’s easier to sell someone a deficient squad in need of quality (that they would bring) than it is to sell someone on no squad whatsoever.
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Post by greenhoff on Jul 4, 2023 14:50:53 GMT
The happy clappers can wrap this up how they want to. They can clutch at straws all they like. This would be a very poor signing. Injury prone 33 year old full back is not what's required. ‘Fans outraged as Championship team signs back up left back that isn’t Alphonso Davies.’ . Absolute garbage. That's a lazy arguement. Do you honestly think a 33 full back whose hardly played for 18 months can do the job required of a modern full back. It's all about getting up and down the pitch. It's a poor signing if true and says we've learned bugger all.
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 4, 2023 14:53:39 GMT
Ashley Young has played numerous times for Villa at full back, he's even older, but let's not let the truth get in front of an agenda.
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Jul 4, 2023 14:54:26 GMT
‘Fans outraged as Championship team signs back up left back that isn’t Alphonso Davies.’ . Absolute garbage. That's a lazy arguement. Do you honestly think a 33 full back whose hardly played for 18 months can do the job required of a modern full back. It's all about getting up and down the pitch. It's a poor signing if true and says we've learned bugger all. It’s as lazy as using ‘happy clappers’ to describe anyone not outraged at the signing of an experienced pro with relatively recent experience of promotion as a back up full back admittedly.
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Post by apb1 on Jul 4, 2023 14:55:17 GMT
What a bizarre signing. We may as well have kept Morgan Fox. Yes, although I guess he might not have wanted to be kept as a squad player.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Jul 4, 2023 14:56:16 GMT
Ashley Young has played numerous times for Villa at full back, he's even older, but let's not let the truth get in front of an agenda. Ashley Young hadn’t spent 2 years crippled when they signed him. The age isn’t the issue, it’s the injury history.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 4, 2023 14:56:53 GMT
Ashley Young has played numerous times for Villa at full back, he's even older, but let's not let the truth get in front of an agenda. No comparison at all, Ashley Young is levels above Enda Stevens and hasn't been ravaged by injuries in same way that Enda has.
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 4, 2023 14:59:00 GMT
Enda Days on here
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Post by windows1 on Jul 4, 2023 15:00:53 GMT
Not every signing is going to be an exciting one, how hard is it for people to understand. How predictable aswell that people are complaining at us signing someone after spending the last month moaning endlessly that we still need to sign at least 12. He’s basically replacing Fox (who a lot of people were saying we should have kept) and he’s a better player. When was the last time we were excited by a signing again?
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