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Post by thornestein on Sept 10, 2023 18:55:26 GMT
cover yes , but poor cover , and a stupid situation be in considering how many signings we’ve made I don’t think it is. I think the issue the standard of the original player more than anything. Bit harsh on Stevens as hes been alright but we need better. The cover is fine. it isn’t , it’s like Bonham covering for Travers and we all know how you think of that , to say otherwise is stupidity
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 10, 2023 18:56:46 GMT
I don’t think it is. I think the issue the standard of the original player more than anything. Bit harsh on Stevens as hes been alright but we need better. The cover is fine. it isn’t , it’s like Bonham covering for Travers and we all know how you think of that , to say otherwise is stupidity No it’s not. We have 3 players that can cover there. Two to this standard and a young player who could be great. I’d love to have a 19 year old back up to Travers that is as highly rated as Junior is.
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Post by idle on Sept 10, 2023 19:12:45 GMT
it isn’t , it’s like Bonham covering for Travers and we all know how you think of that , to say otherwise is stupidity No it’s not. We have 3 players that can cover there. Two to this standard and a young player who could be great. I’d love to have a 19 year old back up to Travers that is as highly rated as Junior is. The problem is neither of them are left-footed. That IS a problem going forward, especially when we have Vidigal cutting inside.
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2023 19:39:54 GMT
No it’s not. We have 3 players that can cover there. Two to this standard and a young player who could be great. I’d love to have a 19 year old back up to Travers that is as highly rated as Junior is. The problem is neither of them are left-footed. That IS a problem going forward, especially when we have Vidigal cutting inside. Re crossing yes however Junior is a dribbler so that works either side of the pitch
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Post by idle on Sept 10, 2023 20:09:06 GMT
The problem is neither of them are left-footed. That IS a problem going forward, especially when we have Vidigal cutting inside. Re crossing yes however Junior is a dribbler so that works either side of the pitch A dribbling FB usually cuts inside, which makes is congested when the winger does as well. I hope you're right and Junior is awesome, but betting all on an unproven (at this level) 19 year old is risky AF. Gooch looked good when he came on against PNE, but he had nothing to do defensively. We've haven't seen him on the left yet. Hoever is unconcinving at LB. So if Stevens is injured for a month or more, we better hope one of the three does a good job at LB and stays injury free. One of them need to play RB as well.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 12, 2023 7:52:03 GMT
There must have a run on rose-tinted glasses at Boots this weekend…..Fox was a very,very average footballer. He was and is an average Championship LB. Which is way better than what we have to cover for Stevens (who looks the better option on his performances to date). He can also do a job as the specialist LCB in a back three - which again is something we don't have.
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Post by lordb on Sept 12, 2023 8:31:57 GMT
Re crossing yes however Junior is a dribbler so that works either side of the pitch A dribbling FB usually cuts inside, which makes is congested when the winger does as well. I hope you're right and Junior is awesome, but betting all on an unproven (at this level) 19 year old is risky AF. Gooch looked good when he came on against PNE, but he had nothing to do defensively. We've haven't seen him on the left yet. Hoever is unconcinving at LB. So if Stevens is injured for a month or more, we better hope one of the three does a good job at LB and stays injury free. One of them need to play RB as well. Yes there is a lot of unknown from fans point of view If Junior turns out not to be capable on the left then that's on AN and his team not sure why dribblers have to cut inside? I guess a right footed one playing on the left is more likely to cut inside though Given Hoever form right off would play Gooch at RB at Norwich Not seen that about Stevens being out for a month, who said that?
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 12, 2023 8:47:09 GMT
I hope Idle was suggesting a hypothetical case, rather than a rumour. i.e IF Stevens was out for a couple of months.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 12, 2023 8:53:15 GMT
Hoever, by and large struggles defensively on his natural side 😉
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 12, 2023 9:04:26 GMT
It'll be interesting to see what the full-back options are come the end of this season, with Stevens probably released and Hoever probably making way for Tchamadeu at RB - although still possible both Hoever and Stevens do enough to make us want to keep them.
RB Hoever Tchamadeu Gooch
LB Stevens Tchamadeu Gooch
In the last 48 hours of the window, we basically bought two £1m players in who can maybe do a job at LB, although that isn't based on much, rather than choosing to address it head-on, potentially with a starter.
It'd be interesting to get a detailed answer about what the thinking was
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 12, 2023 9:07:58 GMT
There must have a run on rose-tinted glasses at Boots this weekend…..Fox was a very,very average footballer. Yet was better than the others we had in defence last season.
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Post by idle on Sept 12, 2023 10:29:13 GMT
A dribbling FB usually cuts inside, which makes is congested when the winger does as well. I hope you're right and Junior is awesome, but betting all on an unproven (at this level) 19 year old is risky AF. Gooch looked good when he came on against PNE, but he had nothing to do defensively. We've haven't seen him on the left yet. Hoever is unconcinving at LB. So if Stevens is injured for a month or more, we better hope one of the three does a good job at LB and stays injury free. One of them need to play RB as well. Yes there is a lot of unknown from fans point of view If Junior turns out not to be capable on the left then that's on AN and his team not sure why dribblers have to cut inside? I guess a right footed one playing on the left is more likely to cut inside though Given Hoever form right off would play Gooch at RB at Norwich Not seen that about Stevens being out for a month, who said that? Well, a (limited) fullback is usually either good(ok) at crossing or at dribbling. It's not ideal to dribble to the left if you can't cross without turning. If you cut inside you can either shoot from distance or run into the box attacking a cross from the winger after passing it wide to him. So it's less than ideal having two right-footed players on the left FB and wing. (Which is why the inside forward is a thing) And somerset is right, I was thinking about a worst case scenario. It's my day job thinking about those. If Stevens is out for a long time, we're stuck with a right footed LB.
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Post by lordb on Sept 12, 2023 10:44:47 GMT
Yes there is a lot of unknown from fans point of view If Junior turns out not to be capable on the left then that's on AN and his team not sure why dribblers have to cut inside? I guess a right footed one playing on the left is more likely to cut inside though Given Hoever form right off would play Gooch at RB at Norwich Not seen that about Stevens being out for a month, who said that? Well, a (limited) fullback is usually either good(ok) at crossing or at dribbling. It's not ideal to dribble to the left if you can't cross without turning. If you cut inside you can either shoot from distance or run into the box attacking a cross from the winger after passing it wide to him. So it's less than ideal having two right-footed players on the left FB and wing. (Which is why the inside forward is a thing) And somerset is right, I was thinking about a worst case scenario. It's my day job thinking about those. If Stevens is out for a long time, we're stuck with a right footed LB. How long is he out for?
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Post by idle on Sept 12, 2023 10:59:19 GMT
If Stevens is out for a long time, we're stuck with a right footed LB. How long is he out for? I don't know. Calf injury, wasn't it? Could be anything
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 11:28:02 GMT
It'll be interesting to see what the full-back options are come the end of this season, with Stevens probably released and Hoever probably making way for Tchamadeu at RB - although still possible both Hoever and Stevens do enough to make us want to keep them. RB Hoever Tchamadeu Gooch LB Stevens Tchamadeu Gooch In the last 48 hours of the window, we basically bought two £1m players in who can maybe do a job at LB, although that isn't based on much, rather than choosing to address it head-on, potentially with a starter. It'd be interesting to get a detailed answer about what the thinking was As you say the thinking NOW for RB and LB is as you say. But I think it is clear that the original intention was to get in Ben Davies ( Glasgow Rangers) as the left footed LCB / LB. www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/rangers-reject-ben-davies-transfer-30845018
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 12, 2023 11:53:37 GMT
It'll be interesting to see what the full-back options are come the end of this season, with Stevens probably released and Hoever probably making way for Tchamadeu at RB - although still possible both Hoever and Stevens do enough to make us want to keep them. RB Hoever Tchamadeu Gooch LB Stevens Tchamadeu Gooch In the last 48 hours of the window, we basically bought two £1m players in who can maybe do a job at LB, although that isn't based on much, rather than choosing to address it head-on, potentially with a starter. It'd be interesting to get a detailed answer about what the thinking was As you say the thinking NOW for RB and LB is as you say. But I think it is clear that the original intention was to get in Ben Davies ( Glasgow Rangers) as the left footed LCB / LB. www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/rangers-reject-ben-davies-transfer-30845018It's not clear ( even if we ever had a shot at getting him) Davies was ever a LB candidate though. He hasn't played there for 6 or 7 years and Neil doesn't seem to see him as an option there. He played there once as an emergency option for him out of pushing 150 games Our reaction to Tymon's departure was pushing through moves for both Tchamadeu and Gooch, which seems a bit on the strange side - unless it turns out one of them is really competent on the left of a back four. And there doesn't seem to be loads to support that idea at the moment. There obviously is a plan, and a reason why the only incoming LB was Stevens, which is very light touch compared to some areas of the squad, and it'll be interesting to see what it is
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 12, 2023 11:55:58 GMT
I don't know. Calf injury, wasn't it? Could be anything Could it be the Enda Stevens?
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Post by idle on Sept 12, 2023 12:27:36 GMT
I don't know. Calf injury, wasn't it? Could be anything Could it be the Enda Stevens? I want to laugh, but that would be a disaster for us...
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 12, 2023 12:28:18 GMT
Could it be the Enda Stevens? I want to laugh, but that would be a disaster for us... Does sound Shaky though
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 12, 2023 12:46:22 GMT
Re crossing yes however Junior is a dribbler so that works either side of the pitch A dribbling FB usually cuts inside, which makes is congested when the winger does as well. I hope you're right and Junior is awesome, but betting all on an unproven (at this level) 19 year old is risky AF. Gooch looked good when he came on against PNE, but he had nothing to do defensively. We've haven't seen him on the left yet. Hoever is unconcinving at LB. So if Stevens is injured for a month or more, we better hope one of the three does a good job at LB and stays injury free. One of them need to play RB as well. Another poster a month ago suggested Junior was two-footed, so he can still be instructed to stay and whip in crosses from out wide rather than cutting in. Even so, it's a big ask for a young lad's Championship debut straight from League Two to play out of position at LB and stick to a specific plan. I don't think Neil will do it, which is why I think he will start Hoever at RB and put Gooch in at LB. Gooch has played LB before, and he is also left-footed. Junior to provide cover/get some minutes as a sub. Job done until Stevens returns.
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Post by idle on Sept 12, 2023 13:24:04 GMT
A dribbling FB usually cuts inside, which makes is congested when the winger does as well. I hope you're right and Junior is awesome, but betting all on an unproven (at this level) 19 year old is risky AF. Gooch looked good when he came on against PNE, but he had nothing to do defensively. We've haven't seen him on the left yet. Hoever is unconcinving at LB. So if Stevens is injured for a month or more, we better hope one of the three does a good job at LB and stays injury free. One of them need to play RB as well. Another poster a month ago suggested Junior was two-footed, so he can still be instructed to stay and whip in crosses from out wide rather than cutting in. Even so, it's a big ask for a young lad's Championship debut straight from League Two to play out of position at LB and stick to a specific plan. I don't think Neil will do it, which is why I think he will start Hoever at RB and put Gooch in at LB. Gooch has played LB before, and he is also left-footed. Junior to provide cover/get some minutes as a sub. Job done until Stevens returns. Hmm, transfermarkt says right footed: www.transfermarkt.com/lynden-gooch/profil/spieler/307781. But also that he's a winger, so they may be wildy off.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 12, 2023 18:28:25 GMT
It'll be Gooch at LB.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 12, 2023 18:33:33 GMT
I'd play Hoever there, he's a technically excellent player and good with both feet. Play Junior at RB
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 12, 2023 18:36:36 GMT
Did you not watch Hoever when he played LWB?. he has difficulty defending on his natural side, let alone the left side😔
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Post by kerouac on Sept 16, 2023 11:31:57 GMT
There must have a run on rose-tinted glasses at Boots this weekend…..Fox was a very,very average footballer. Yet was better than the others we had in defence last season. I know the bar was very very low,but was he really?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 16, 2023 11:46:54 GMT
Yet was better than the others we had in defence last season. I know the bar was very very low,but was he really? I think he was yes, steady was enough and that's what he was really, covered well in the middle when needed.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 16, 2023 11:48:46 GMT
What was the point in signing this player?
Past his best and mostly injured.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 16, 2023 12:02:32 GMT
What was the point in signing this player? Past his best and mostly injured. Pretty much ever present so far (unless my brain is omitting something obvious) and fairly impressive when he has played? We've signed plenty of players who are past their best but a big improvement on what we already had.
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 16, 2023 12:05:58 GMT
What was the point in signing this player? Past his best and mostly injured. I thought that sort of thing had been explained, squad balance of youth and experience being one, he also has promotion experience, been there and done it. Free transfer aswell with a whole squad that we need to stretch our funds on. I think he's looked good so far. I think that Norrington Davies we have previously had on loan might be worth spending on though given the opportunity, didn't realise he was mid twenties nearly, thought he was younger than that, it was a bit disappointing he had to go back. He can also cover left side of central defence aswell. I Would have swapped him for Tymon in a heartbeat
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2023 12:37:28 GMT
What was the point in signing this player? Past his best and mostly injured. A lot of us asked this very question when he signed. It's total negligence having a crocked 33 year old as your only specialist left back considering the funds we had available.
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