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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jul 2, 2023 11:36:57 GMT
So for those currently being supplied by United Utilities prepare for the imminent strike, it was announced last week that the biggest Trade Union in the company - the GMB have voted to take industrial action over pay and conditions. More shit in the rivers and seas, beaches unusable and discoloured drinking water (if you get any at all) coming out of your tap. Gouranga.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 3, 2023 5:56:56 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 3, 2023 15:37:07 GMT
Now we’re out of the EU won’t it be easier to nationalise a utility like this? Over to you Labour Party. No. France and Germany run most of their own utilities and vital services (and many in this country too actually!). EU membership doesn’t mean your state cannot own your services.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 3, 2023 23:10:42 GMT
Now we’re out of the EU won’t it be easier to nationalise a utility like this? Over to you Labour Party. Britain’s private water companies have everything to do with Tory ideology and nothing to do with EU rules.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2023 23:38:15 GMT
It's a very strange article, a lot of what he says initially is bang on the money and indeed he has been proven to be right with many of his predictions but then suddenly, he comes out with this guff, it's almost like he's had a Jekyll and Hyde moment.
"More importantly, this is the moment when every water company and privatised utility should only be licensed to operate if they incorporate as a public benefit company that puts its social purpose first. Capitalism can be reconfigured to deliver the common good. It’s a principle that applies more widely. Start with the utilities and work from there.
Just a fig leaf that means no change? I don’t buy that. It matters that a company binds itself to putting its citizen-customers first, accepts that its responsibilities to the environment should be fully discharged, that workforces should be treated properly and given a voice in strategic decision-making, that taxes should be fully paid, proper social tariffs introduced, fit-for-purpose investment matched by appropriate debt, and stakeholders engaged with."
When on earth has capitalism ever 'been configured to deliver for the common good' or 'put it's citizen-customers first', never mind the 'responsibilities' he expects them to deliver.
The very reason Thames Water is in the shit, is because privitisation doesn't allow for any of that stuff.
They simply have to be allowed to go bust. Absolutely no bail out from us the tax payers, whatsoever, every shareholder has to lose all of their investments 100%, they've already raped us enough.
Yes, we're (literally) going to have to clear up their mess but if they think they're going to get us to buy it back off them, they've got another thing coming.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 3, 2023 23:46:39 GMT
Now we’re out of the EU won’t it be easier to nationalise a utility like this? Over to you Labour Party. Britain’s private water companies have everything to do with Tory ideology and nothing to do with EU rules. Not only that but Privatisation was perfectly possible within EU. It was just a Farage Project Bullishit during Referendum Campaign which the gullible accepted as fact and another stick to beat the EU, not that they wanted Public Ownership anyway
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Post by wannabee on Jul 4, 2023 0:40:18 GMT
It's a very strange article, a lot of what he says initially is bang on the money and indeed he has been proven to be right with many of his predictions but then suddenly, he comes out with this guff, it's almost like he's had a Jekyll and Hyde moment.
"More importantly, this is the moment when every water company and privatised utility should only be licensed to operate if they incorporate as a public benefit company that puts its social purpose first. Capitalism can be reconfigured to deliver the common good. It’s a principle that applies more widely. Start with the utilities and work from there.
Just a fig leaf that means no change? I don’t buy that. It matters that a company binds itself to putting its citizen-customers first, accepts that its responsibilities to the environment should be fully discharged, that workforces should be treated properly and given a voice in strategic decision-making, that taxes should be fully paid, proper social tariffs introduced, fit-for-purpose investment matched by appropriate debt, and stakeholders engaged with."
When on earth has capitalism ever 'been configured to deliver for the common good' or 'put it's citizen-customers first', never mind the 'responsibilities' he expects them to deliver.
The very reason Thames Water is in the shit, is because privitisation doesn't allow for any of that stuff.
They simply have to be allowed to go bust. Absolutely no bail out from us the tax payers, whatsoever, every shareholder has to lose all of their investments 100%, they've already raped us enough.
Yes, we're (literally) going to have to clear up their mess but if they think they're going to get us to buy it back off them, they've got another thing coming.
Will Hutton is a neo-Keynesean which is a doctrine that tries to reconcile the Thatcher ideas of Milton Friedman and those of Keynes That is not a criticism it's a fact The Stakeholder Theory is flawed because the interests of each Stakeholder can not be balanced in equilibrium. As you correctly point out the basic principle of Capitalism is Profit for the Shareholder not the interests of the Stakeholder.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jul 4, 2023 13:33:41 GMT
Now we’re out of the EU won’t it be easier to nationalise a utility like this? Over to you Labour Party. Britain’s private water companies have everything to do with Tory ideology and nothing to do with EU rules. I wouldn’t disagree. I was asking if it would be easier to re-nationalise post Brexit, but apparently not.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 31, 2023 13:24:49 GMT
These people aren't lefty agitators but respected national bodies, who truly care passionately about the destruction of our rivers, now that we no longer have to adhere to EU guidelines ...
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